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Hyroglyphx
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Message 129 of 5796 (843076)
11-13-2018 1:00 AM


Bizarre-O World
Donald Trump was a lifelong Democrat and realistically only made the switch to a Republican when it benefited him as a political expediency. Now Democrats despise him and Republicans fawn over him.
Demonization over Russia was pretty faux pas for Democrats in the past, because of their connection to Communism, and it was Republicans that excoriated the dreaded Reds in true McCarthyian paranoia. Now the opposite is true. Now Democrats use Russia as the perennial bogeyman and the Republicans kind of give it a pass and deny the collusion.
The Left supported Kanye West because he was so critical of Dubya... now that he's completely lost his mind, Republicans with short memories now embrace him because he wears MAGA hats and the Democrats are quick to offer him up as a scapegoat.
Roseanne Barr was raked across the coals by Republicans because she made light of the national anthem a number of years back. Now its the Democrats taking shots against her because of her calling someone black who wasn't... of course the actual reason is her affiliation with the Trump White House.
Damn near every one of the #MeToo movement proponents were also Hilary supporters - even in spite of Bill Clinton being an actual womanizer, if not a died in the wool sexual predator.
The list goes on... there's probably 30 more bizarre instances where essentially a 180 degree turn has been made.
I guess what it really goes to show is that in politics, memories are very short and people's convictions only run deep if there's some political advantage to be gained.
The whole lot of them are corruptible. The Left/Right paradigm is a false dichotomy.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 146 of 5796 (843165)
11-13-2018 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by ooh-child
11-13-2018 11:10 AM


Re: Bizarre-O World
DNA testing indicated that Jarrett is of 49% European, 46% African, and 5% Native American descent.
Valerie Jarrett - Wikipedia
And, the reason Roseanne was fired wasn't just that one tweet. I was at a taping last year, and there's so much more to the story than what's been generally reported.
My only point was that people have no problem flip-flopping so long as serves their interests.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 147 of 5796 (843166)
11-13-2018 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Faith
11-13-2018 4:55 PM


Re: Bizarre-O World
He started seeing things the way some of us on the right see them and in order to represent us he had to join the Republican party. Nothing at all strange about that, people do change parties for other reasons all the time too. And for the rest of your points, people often vote for the person which often means voting different parties, nothing unusual here. What's odd is your seeing contradictions where there are none.
So you don't find it odd listening to Democrats for the last 50 years defending Russia and then, when it became apparent that Putin supports Trump over Clinton, that you'd think you were listening to Sen. McCarthy when talking to Democrats in modern times? I think that's pretty telling when it come to how fickle people can be. You know damn well if Russia chose Clinton that you wouldn't hear a peep about "collusion" from Democrats.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 1055 of 5796 (849059)
02-22-2019 8:52 PM
Reply to: Message 998 by Faith
02-05-2019 5:15 AM


Re: Your "facts" about Trump's "racism" are the usual innuendo
I came back from Inactive to comment on this. Bye again, I hope forever.
Why bother inactivating your account when you could just not respond for awhile? I don't know why you get so emotionally invested here. It's not that big of a deal. Just take a hiatus

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 1955 of 5796 (852783)
05-16-2019 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1939 by Faith
05-16-2019 1:35 PM


Re: Some real evidence for Faith to deny
The report said there was no collusion. Amazing how Trump's enemies just ignore the truth about all that. Also, Trump was more open and transparent than any other President has ever been. He turned over thousands of documents for instance that he didn't have to turn over.
The report does indicate no collusion could be determined but to say that "Trump was more open and transparent than any other President" is just silly. For starters, he's the only president who never released his taxes which, lets be honest, is because his transparency in that regard would have vilified him. Today, supposedly is the first day he released that... after four years. And what is known about his financials is that he's been in the red for DECADES, essentially financing the way the China finances itself in an enormous debt bubble through real estate ventures. He's declared bankruptcy at least 3 times.
So on top of being about as transparent as a wall of 6-ft thick lead, he's also a terrible businessman.
He's also not a Christian... or a Republic for that matter! Never has been, until it serves his purpose.
You have been duped to think a man like him could ever truly care about anything besides himself, never mind a God or the common people. That's the part that I don't understand when it comes to Christians voting for him. I don't think there's a more transparent and OBVIOUS wolf in sheep's clothing than Donald Trump. How can honestly not see that? It would be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for Donald J Trump to be beholden to anything outside of his own malignant narcissism.
Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 1958 of 5796 (852788)
05-16-2019 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1956 by Faith
05-16-2019 5:16 PM


Re: Some real evidence for Faith to deny
No chance you ever listen to the conservative talk shows, right?
On occasion. Your premise?

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
Inactive Member


Message 2414 of 5796 (857655)
07-10-2019 1:48 AM
Reply to: Message 2404 by DrJones*
07-08-2019 10:23 PM


Re: Anglagard's wonderfully fair and peaceable reaching out to evangelicals
that's a lie. He lost his license for giving false testimony about his affair with Monica Lewinsky. None of the sexual assault allegations have been substantiated, they're just accusations.
Yeah, and Bill Cosby only had one substantiated accuser. #MeToo

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
Inactive Member


Message 2417 of 5796 (857659)
07-10-2019 2:03 AM
Reply to: Message 2408 by JonF
07-09-2019 1:59 PM


Re: Seth Rich BS exposed.
In the summer of 2016, Russian intelligence agents secretly planted a fake report claiming that Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich was gunned down by a squad of assassins working for Hillary Clinton, giving rise to a notorious conspiracy theory that captivated conservative activists and was later promoted from inside President Trump’s White House, a Yahoo News investigation has found.
Wouldn't surprise me in the least. The KGB and now SVR have been experts in misinformation/propaganda campaigns for many, many decades. Obviously the point is de-stablization. They love the chaos it produces and work towards exacerbating and exploiting racial tensions, left vs right dichotomies, invented US government conspiracies... anything that will bring distrust towards the government and division among the people.
I can't even be mad at them for it because the scale is so impressively vast and the ingenuity so clever.... diabolical, but clever.
Putin has some brass balls. He openly and brazenly assassinates people in his own country, people in other countries, and wants everyone to know he's responsible (fear tactic) but knows that all the speculation in the world doesn't amount to actual proof (plausible deniability). He wants you to know he did it... he just doesn't want you to be able to prove it. He loves the election hacking scandal. His stock goes up with it, not down.
As a collective nation, they will do anything to enhance the Russian stature in the eyes of the world while simultaneously diminishing NATO. Even something like sporting events is important enough to tamper with the ENTIRE Russian Olympic team in every single event (Icarus).
Trump is so ill-equipped to handle someone of his caliber. He just bats him around like a mouse.
Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 2423 of 5796 (857683)
07-10-2019 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 2422 by DrJones*
07-10-2019 9:52 AM


Re: Anglagard's wonderfully fair and peaceable reaching out to evangelicals
I'm not defending Clinton, just correcting Faith's falsehood. If he's guilty of the accusation he should be punished accordingly. It's hypocritical of Faith to whatabout Clinton when dismissing the accusations against Trump as allegations and rumors.
I won't argue that... but I will argue that it is ten times more hypocritical for people to bemoan the tragedy of saying "grab 'em by the pussy" when compared to a man that is a known and verifiable philanderer and who has allegations of sexual improprieties stretching back decades at different times with multiple accusers... and somehow he gets a pass. You say he doesn't, but we all know good and fucking well that he does. Every one of those stories was buried because Bill is your guy!
Conversely, anyone who thinks that Trump hasn't strayed from his marital vows is just stupid and blissfully ignorant. To defend somebody as transparent as Trump is a fool's errand... he'll let you down every time... must be exhausting being Sarah Huckabee. Why bother?
But if liberal ideology is going to stand up to scrutiny, where it pushes movements like MeToo (carte blanche believe accusers without an investigatory process, and the insinuation that to launch an investigation is part and parcel a sexist agenda) then it has to also deal with the fact that Bill Clinton, a liberal figurehead, is therefore necessarily guilty of every single allegation on that account alone by their own retarded system of beliefs.
The Left is eating itself... and I'm grabbing my popcorn.
Edited by Hyroglyphx, : Typos galore

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
Inactive Member


Message 2426 of 5796 (857707)
07-10-2019 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 2424 by JonF
07-10-2019 12:50 PM


Re: Anglagard's wonderfully fair and peaceable reaching out to evangelicals
Who said believe accusers without any investagory process?
The MeToo movement. You're supposed to just believe the accusation and if you don't, well, then you're just a sexist pig.
Its a shame because sexual assault and sexual harassment does deserve a platform... but not at the cost of a movement's own credibility.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
Inactive Member


Message 2428 of 5796 (857710)
07-10-2019 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 2425 by Theodoric
07-10-2019 1:53 PM


Re: Bill is no liberal figurehead
One thing the right cannot seem to understand is that on the left there are no sacred cows.
All there is are sacred cows amongst the Left. Although one's stature as a sacred cow is tenuous at best, as anyone can be cast out within a moments notice for not conforming to the religion in perfect harmony with all of the liberal talking points.
The Clintons are not worshipped untouchables.
They are untouchables. They are the teflon don's of politics. Doesn't matter how many confirmed scandals, they'll never see a single day behind bars. Doesn't matter if you have classified material on open servers, doesn't matter if you commit aggravated perjury. Totally above the law.
If a credible accusation arose against Bill Clinton the left would let the process lead wherever it does.
That's interesting, because as I recall the deniers first claimed that he did nothing wrong with Monica until he finally admitted it under the weight of evidence. Then they defended him against perjury.
Bill played a price for the Lewinsky affair.
Oh, yeah, poor guy... million dollar book deals and 500K to talk for an hour. Yeah, the dude is slumming it.
Bill Clinton does not represent, speak for or hold some place dear in the heart of the vast majority on the left. He was and is a corporatist Democratic politician.
Right, which explains why the Clinton machine and the DNC did a hack job on Bernie Sanders. And then you continue to tell me the left is not eating its own?
Its become an Olympic event of moral outrage where the winner is the most oppressed.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 2432 of 5796 (857735)
07-10-2019 9:18 PM
Reply to: Message 2427 by jar
07-10-2019 4:38 PM


Re: Anglagard's wonderfully fair and peaceable reaching out to evangelicals
Please provide the evidence that the #METOO movement says you should simply just believe the accusation and if you don't, well, then you're just a sexist pig.
Lets not play coy that the mantra "Believe Survivors" didn't dominate headlines.
quote:
The phrase “believe women” has been in use since before the #MeToo movement entered its most public phase in October 2017. It’s been used in feminist circles since at least February 2017. “Believe women” became more common as #MeToo gained attention. “As America’s very public reckoning with sexual harassment and assault continues, the conversation around ”believe women’ and #MeToo, inevitably, also becomes more complicated and fractured,” Gillian B. White wrote for the Atlantic in November 2017.
Both “believe women” and “believe survivors” became even more visible during the confirmation hearings for Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, who was accused of sexual assault by Christine Blasey Ford. In September 2018, Washington Post columnist Monica Hesse called the Kavanaugh confirmation process “a test of what it looks like to believe women.... #MeToo founder Tarana Burke, along with Planned Parenthood, the National Center for Transgender Equality, and other progressive groups, participated in a nationwide protest called the #BelieveSurvivors walkout. Participants were encouraged to post photos or video of themselves with the hashtag #BelieveSurvivors, according to the Cut.
For many, calling for Americans to “believe women” and “believe survivors” is a way to push back against a culture in which people who report sexual misconduct ” especially if they are women ” have often been disbelieved. Many who came forward as part of the #MeToo movement told stories not only of the trauma of being assaulted or harassed, but of the pain of having their experiences discounted afterward."
Source

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 2433 of 5796 (857737)
07-10-2019 9:39 PM
Reply to: Message 2430 by JonF
07-10-2019 5:13 PM


Re: Bill is no liberal figurehead
But the aggravated perjury intrigues me. Google shows nothing. What is the charge and what evidence do you have for it?
Aggravated Perjury is knowingly providing a false statement under oath during an official proceeding.
Whoever knowingly and willfully communicates, furnishes, transmits, or otherwise makes available to an unauthorized person, or publishes, or uses in any manner prejudicial to the safety or interest of the United States or for the benefit of any foreign government to the detriment of the United States any classified information
(3) ”concerning the communication intelligence activities of the United States or any foreign government
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both..... unless you're a Clinton....
The term “classified information” means information which, at the time of a violation of this section, is, for reasons of national security, specifically designated by a United States Government Agency for limited or restricted dissemination or distribution
----------- Boldened are the violations --------------
Notice the first phrase? Oh, did you notice that information classified after she had it doesn't count?
What does that even mean?
(The server wasn't open. It was supplied by a commercial service.
Yeah, meaning susceptible to intrusion. Hilary Clinton was the SECRETARY OF STATE for the entire United States government -- literally the head honcho in charge of the entire intelligence services and armed forces apparatus.... do you really expect anyone to believe she was not brutally aware, not only how stupid it is to have classified material using AT&T servers, but also that it constitutes a serious breach of national security???
There's no evidence the server was ever hacked.)
How do you think we found out about it?!?! Are you serious?!?! Uh, maybe it came through by Wikileaks, perhaps. Does that sound familiar?
So, as you see, if you're Julian Assange, not an American citizen, and you host a website that embarrasses government officials, its punishable by life in a dark, dank prison. If you are Hilary Clinton, you just sign another book deal. If ANYBODY else did that, they'd be in prison and wiretapped for the rest of their lives upon their eventual release.
Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 2434 of 5796 (857738)
07-10-2019 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 2431 by Theodoric
07-10-2019 6:15 PM


Re: Bill is no liberal figurehead
Go ahead gives us names of individuals and organizations that openly defended him from perjury.
ZERO is the amount of Democrats who found him guilty.... ZERO.... as in, not a single one, which is spectacularly hilarious given he 100% lied under oath and 100% later admitted to the lie (perjury).
Here's every name that defended him when it mattered....
This was a slam dunk... but the powers that be made sure Slick Willy will never face anything for it.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 2438 of 5796 (857749)
07-11-2019 12:17 AM
Reply to: Message 2435 by Theodoric
07-10-2019 10:55 PM


Re: Bill is no liberal figurehead
The Democratic Senators that did not vote to convict were not for the most part liberals and progressives. They have nothing to do with the current progressive movement. The Democratic Party of today is not responsible for how people acted 20 years ago.
You ask me to defend very specific statements, which I do, then you shift the goalposts when it becomes an inconvenience for you. You asked to show you Democrats who defended Clinton's perjury. I've now overwhelmingly demonstrated it. So now your new tactic is that those Democrats don't reflect today's Democrats.
Ahhh, right.... Not only is it irrelevant to your request, but what is the basis for your measurements?
You have not provided anything to back this statement. 20 years ago the Democratic Party supported Bill Clinton. That in no way means that the liberal and progressive movement of today support him or would support him. I suppose you think that the GOP is the party of civil rights because of Lincoln too.
The Republican Party has shifted from stuffy Christian Coalition types to bourgeois Wall Street types. Yeah, sure, some changes to both parties. But as I recall the entire DNC did a hack job specifically to get a Clinton elected when they had Bernie. So I guess those 20-year-ago Democrats didn't completely fade away, aye? And what exactly is your point anyhow?

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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