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herebedragons
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Message 1524 of 5796 (851678)
04-30-2019 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1518 by Faith
04-30-2019 11:44 AM


Re: The fake news about Charlottesville answered again
Clearly you aren't really concerned with what the Bible says, but with what you want it to say in order to justify your own opinions, but I'll try anyway...
Matthew 5:43-48 Common English Bible (CEB)
Law of love
43 “You have heard that it was said, You must love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy. 44 But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who harass you 45 so that you will be acting as children of your Father who is in heaven. He makes the sun rise on both the evil and the good and sends rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love only those who love you, what reward do you have? Don’t even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet only your brothers and sisters, what more are you doing? Don’t even the Gentiles do the same? 48 Therefore, just as your heavenly Father is complete in showing love to everyone, so also you must be complete.
Obviously there are differences in opinion about what is right for this country, what our leadership should be like, and what direction this country should be going. However, none of these differences give you the righteous authority to hate your fellow Americans or your fellow human beings. To claim God is on the side of your hatred is nothing less than taking the Lord's name in vain.
You are right about one thing... this country has never been more polarized (at least since the Civil War), but it's not hatred and anger that is going to bring us together. You being such a righteous, holy person should realize that.
HBD
Edited by herebedragons, : No reason given.

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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herebedragons
Member (Idle past 964 days)
Posts: 1517
From: Michigan
Joined: 11-22-2009


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Message 1530 of 5796 (851692)
04-30-2019 9:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1526 by marc9000
04-30-2019 7:14 PM


Re: The fake news about Charlottesville answered again
So it's okay for the left to hate, but the right can't "fight fire with fire" when it sees the need?
I don't care what "side" they are on. If they claim to be TRUE Christians then they have no business spewing hate - regardless of their political views. If those who claim to be atheists are hating, I can't very well quote scripture to reprimand them can I? But if you associate yourself with Christ, then you should be held to a higher standard (or at least to the standard that Christ taught).
I find myself holding views that are more and more considered liberal, such as protection of the environment, social justice, gun control, health care available for all, and I place a high value on education and individual freedoms. I am not filled with hate, but I am increasingly seeing "conservative values" as very much un-Christian.
And yes, I think Trump is an absolutely terrible president and human being and he will certainly not be receiving my vote in 2020... but that's not hate. It's standing up for what I believe is right.
Hate in the U.S. has been in high gear since Nov. 8th 2016, and it hasn't come from the right.
I think you are confused as to what constitutes left and right.
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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herebedragons
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Posts: 1517
From: Michigan
Joined: 11-22-2009


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Message 1571 of 5796 (851785)
05-02-2019 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 1565 by marc9000
05-01-2019 9:33 PM


Re: The fake news about Charlottesville answered again
Trump made that clear when he offered to bus all the illegals he could to sanctuary cities, and then we all watched them cry about that.
Trump didn't "offer" he threatened. The objection was to using human beings (vulnerable people at that) as pawns in a political debate to punish sanctuary cities for defying him.
quote:
Due to the fact that Democrats are unwilling to change our very dangerous immigration laws, we are indeed, as reported, giving strong considerations to placing Illegal Immigrants in Sanctuary Cities only....
- D. Trump
It really was a disgusting ploy and it is hard for me to believe you support such nonsense...
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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herebedragons
Member (Idle past 964 days)
Posts: 1517
From: Michigan
Joined: 11-22-2009


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Message 1573 of 5796 (851787)
05-02-2019 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 1564 by marc9000
05-01-2019 9:04 PM


Re: The fake news about Charlottesville answered again
There's no way to define just where the line is between "hate", and "strong opposition" to a differing political view. That's why the liberals are having such a hard time with Faith's posts.
Not really... when you say "I HATE ALL YOU LYING LEFTISTS" that's not all that ambiguous. I think the "liberals" have a hard time with Faith's posts because they typically lack substance and usually just rail against opposing views.
but it's impossible not to see their hatred of him personally,
But all of a sudden it is easy to distinguish the line between "hate" and "strong opposition".
Trump is the most inept, egotistical and ethically bankrupt person to ever hold the office of President of the United States. The reason people support him is because he plays to their own personal fears and biases.
* Note: the above is "strong opposition, not hate"
It's impossible to have "protection of the environment" as described by a self-serving government, without a loss of individual freedom.
This is the big conservative lie and part of why I don't consider myself conservative anymore.
Have you ever heard of externalization? This is when a portion of the cost of producing a good or service is put on a third party without their consent. I had a boss that told me he used to dump all his used coolants into the river out behind the building. It would have cost him $1000s to dispose of them properly, but instead he put that cost on the communities that surround the river. Sure he was able to maximize his profit and sell his product at the lowest price possible... but at what cost to others who did not agree to bear the cost of producing his goods?
Sure we can have cheap energy, but at what cost to third parties? Do coal miners agree to contract black lung when they take the job? Do we all agree to destroy our natural landscapes to allow the cheapest extraction of resources as possible? Do cities agree to smog and air pollution in order for factories to produce goods at the lowest cost possible?
We don't agree to those things. One role of government is to protect the freedoms of the many from the freedoms of individuals. I think a good example is public smoking. I respect the rights of individuals to smoke, but when I go into a restaurant and the people at the table next to me are smoking, I am forced to share in that - without my consent (some may say I give consent by going to the restaurant, but there is nothing inherent about going to a restaurant that implies partaking in cigarette smoke). Fortunately, our state legislature decided to protect the communities right to go to public spaces and not smoke over the individuals right to smoke. People who smoke may not agree with my assessment here, and may feel like their individual freedoms have been restricted, but communities need to find this balance between individual freedoms and the freedoms of the community as a whole. People are still free to smoke, just not where it compromises other's freedom to not smoke.
Given a free hand, corporations will, without a doubt, externalize as much of the cost of producing their goods as possible to third parties. History proves that. Thus it is a major role of government to protect the public from excessive externalization. The BIG LIE of conservatives is that free markets will self correct and eliminate exploitation of these third parties.
Where I do think we need to improve is HOW regulations are implemented. There is so much bureaucracy and red-tape and inefficiencies in our government, that it can be vary costly to navigate. Our government needs to become more streamlined and efficient, but that is completely different than the deregulation of the Trump administration. All we are doing is making it easier for the rich to put more of the burden of cost on the unsuspecting public. No thanks!!
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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herebedragons
Member (Idle past 964 days)
Posts: 1517
From: Michigan
Joined: 11-22-2009


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Message 1574 of 5796 (851788)
05-02-2019 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 1546 by Faith
05-01-2019 1:43 PM


Re: Thanks to marc9000 for his kindness
Seriously???? I am in the wrong for calling you out for clearly inappropriate and un-Christian behavior? I tried to stay out of it as I really haven't had the time to spend on here, but you were so far off the rails and displaying an image of how Christians behave that I felt I just had to say something. You should be thanking me for speaking the truth in love, instead you condemn me for daring to confront you for your vile behavior. My response was respectful and had no intention of self-righteousness or moral superiority. But instead of just admitting wrong and getting yourself on the right path, you have deflected the wrong doing onto me.
Once again, you show your true colors...
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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herebedragons
Member (Idle past 964 days)
Posts: 1517
From: Michigan
Joined: 11-22-2009


Message 1585 of 5796 (851801)
05-02-2019 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1581 by Faith
05-02-2019 3:07 PM


Re: The fake news about Charlottesville answered again
Its my opinion, my honest opinion, based things he has said and done that I have observed and have come to my own conclusions about; there is nothing fake or dishonest about my assessment. I do not consider myself to be a "leftist" nor do I listen to "leftist" media. You may have a different opinion of Trump, but that's mine - it's not a matter of "leftist lying."
It just blows my mind that you can in good conscious listen to the things he says and does and consider him to be God's gift to this country. I just can't wrap my head around how Christians can support him and his policies. I could understand it if the response was "he's better than the alternatives" but that's not it.
So my position on Trump is no more lying and unethical than is yours.
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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herebedragons
Member (Idle past 964 days)
Posts: 1517
From: Michigan
Joined: 11-22-2009


Message 1586 of 5796 (851803)
05-02-2019 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1580 by Faith
05-02-2019 3:00 PM


Re: Thanks to marc9000 for his kindness
More validation and rationalization of your misbehavior. Perfect.
More interpretation of the Bible to justify your transgressions. Predictable.
More blaming your failure to love on others. Sigh...

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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