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vimesey
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Message 167 of 5796 (843226)
11-15-2018 2:37 AM
Reply to: Message 165 by Percy
11-14-2018 8:50 PM


Re: The Migrant Caravan Has Arrived
Every day, I become more convinced that Trump and/or his team have read and embraced this masterwork on propaganda:
Propaganda must always address itself to the broad masses of the people. (...) All propaganda must be presented in a popular form and must fix its intellectual level so as not to be above the heads of the least intellectual of those to whom it is directed. (...) The art of propaganda consists precisely in being able to awaken the imagination of the public through an appeal to their feelings, in finding the appropriate psychological form that will arrest the attention and appeal to the hearts of the national masses. The broad masses of the people are not made up of diplomats or professors of public jurisprudence nor simply of persons who are able to form reasoned judgment in given cases, but a vacillating crowd of human children who are constantly wavering between one idea and another.
Propaganda must not investigate the truth objectively and, in so far as it is favourable to the other side, present it according to the theoretical rules of justice; yet it must present only that aspect of the truth which is favourable to its own side. (...) The receptive powers of the masses are very restricted, and their understanding is feeble. On the other hand, they quickly forget. Such being the case, all effective propaganda must be confined to a few bare essentials and those must be expressed as far as possible in stereotyped formulas. These slogans should be persistently repeated until the very last individual has come to grasp the idea that has been put forward.
Twitter could not be a more perfectly adapted delivery system for Trumps propaganda if it tried.

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vimesey
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Message 2934 of 5796 (863933)
10-03-2019 1:49 PM
Reply to: Message 2933 by Percy
10-03-2019 11:56 AM


Re: Fox News Gets the Facts Backward
You don't have to believe every crazy idea that escapes Trump's lips
They kind of do, though. Once they accept one lie is in fact a lie, then they can't hold back the avalanche of all the others. Once the illusion cracks, it will shatter.
Edited by vimesey, : No reason given.

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vimesey
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Message 3014 of 5796 (864896)
10-18-2019 3:27 AM
Reply to: Message 3012 by Faith
10-18-2019 3:11 AM


Re: Trump's Rallies Really Pull Them In
I've no doubt that the crowds do indeed see Trump the way you do. After all, why else would they attend ?
Sadly though, history has taught us that large cheering crowds at rallies are not necessarily a sign that the showman on the stage will be remembered for all of the good and joy he brought to the world.

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vimesey
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Message 3016 of 5796 (864898)
10-18-2019 4:53 AM
Reply to: Message 3015 by Faith
10-18-2019 3:46 AM


Re: Trump's Rallies Really Pull Them In
It would be more accurate to refer to the terms in which he is portrayed, rather than the terms in which he is described, but I'll leave that aside.
I wasn't suggesting that crowds tell us how successful a leader will be. I was saying that the fact that a leader draws crowds does not necessarily endorse that leader's greatness as a person. As history has shown us, on many more than one occasion.
And you will find that all of those crowds spoke of the showman on the podium in nothing less than glowing terms. Again, this is not necessarily an endorsement of that person's character. People get things wrong (as history shows us) and don't like to admit it.

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vimesey
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Message 3316 of 5796 (866121)
11-06-2019 8:13 AM


Does this ring true over there ?
There was an interesting piece this morning on the BBC radio news about the Democrats' success in the recent elections, most importantly in previously solid Republican states.
I won't recite the detail, but the BBC's US correspondent's view was that these results were sharpening the questioning by the Republican politicians, which had already begun, as to the weakening and perhaps even the nascent toxicity of the Trump brand.
Is this a fair opinion, or wishful thinking at this stage ?

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vimesey
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Message 3592 of 5796 (867330)
11-23-2019 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 3590 by JonF
11-23-2019 11:55 AM


Re: Democrat Lies just keep going and going and going
If you were in charge nobody who claims innocence would ever go to prison, amirite?
Only if they're Republicans. If they're Democrats, they're going down.

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vimesey
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Message 3966 of 5796 (869018)
12-22-2019 6:15 AM
Reply to: Message 3965 by PaulK
12-22-2019 4:41 AM


Re: Putin on Trump's side? Oh you Gullible Lefties
Stop using logic and reason all the time - you know it undermines your case ;-)

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vimesey
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Message 4115 of 5796 (869826)
01-06-2020 6:46 AM
Reply to: Message 4114 by Faith
01-06-2020 5:58 AM


Re: LIBERAL FASCISM IS HERE
There is nothing fascistic or totalitarian about nationalism
Here is a link to the Encyclopaedia Britannica article on the links between nationalism and fascism. You're arguing against the Encycolpaedia Britannica. Good luck with that.
fascism - Extreme nationalism | Britannica
(Also worth noting the following excerpt from the site):
Nazismcondemned Marxist and liberal internationalisms as threats to German national unity. Fascists in general wanted to replace internationalist class solidarity with nationalist class collaboration.

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vimesey
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Message 4404 of 5796 (870572)
01-22-2020 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 4402 by Faith
01-22-2020 10:32 AM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
Terrorism is endemic to Islamicism
All these years socialising and working with Muslims, and I've clearly not been noticing all the times they've blown me up, shot me and stabbed me. You would have thought I'd have noticed, but clearly there must be some miracle going on, where every time it happens, I get resurrected and healed and my memory gets wiped.
From here on in, I'm keeping my camera phone switched on !

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vimesey
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Message 4562 of 5796 (870937)
01-26-2020 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 4561 by Faith
01-26-2020 3:48 PM


Re: Trump Lies Yet Again
On what basis would anyone who hates, believe they hated the wrong things ?

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vimesey
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Message 4684 of 5796 (871102)
01-28-2020 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 4681 by Faith
01-28-2020 5:02 PM


Re: CBO Proejcts Trump Trillion Dollar Deficits to Continue Indefinitely
You do know that a deficit is not the same as total debt, don’t you ?

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vimesey
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Message 4687 of 5796 (871105)
01-28-2020 5:23 PM
Reply to: Message 4686 by Faith
01-28-2020 5:16 PM


Re: CBO Proejcts Trump Trillion Dollar Deficits to Continue Indefinitely
The deficit is the amount, per year, that a government spends in excess of what it receives by way of taxes and other sources of income.
The debt is the total amount that the government is due to pay back on its total borrowing - in simple terms, in an economy running regular deficits, the total of those deficits over the years that a deficit has been running.
This page explains it: What's the difference between the U.S. deficit and the national debt? | HowStuffWorks
If you run a deficit during a year in which you make the fiscal decisions, it’s your call. (To be fair, in the US economy, you pretty much have to run a deficit - but the size of it is your call).

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vimesey
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Message 4929 of 5796 (871623)
02-07-2020 2:19 AM
Reply to: Message 4925 by Percy
02-06-2020 5:32 PM


Re: Joe Walsh is Running for President
It’s inexplicable, but chillingly resonant.
Primo Levi, Holocaust survivor:
Monsters exist, but they are too few in number to be truly dangerous. More dangerous are the common men, the functionaries ready to believe and to act without asking questions.
We must be listened to: above and beyond our personal experience, we have collectively witnessed a fundamental unexpected event, fundamental precisely because unexpected, not foreseen by anyone. It happened, therefore it can happen again: this is the core of what we have to say. It can happen, and it can happen everywhere.
Edited by vimesey, : No reason given.

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