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Tangle
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Message 315 of 5796 (845255)
12-13-2018 6:06 PM
Reply to: Message 310 by Faith
12-13-2018 5:48 PM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
Faith writes:
We knew he meant that in the end it would be economically disadvantageous to Mexico in various ways and that's how they would pay for it.
That's a bare-faced lie. Wow. How fucked-up can a mind get.
Rationalising away events that happened millions of years ago is one thing, doing the same about stuff that happened over and over again a few months ago that was televised is just plain lying.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 508 of 5796 (847021)
01-15-2019 5:13 PM
Reply to: Message 507 by Percy
01-15-2019 4:49 PM


Re: May and Brexit Suffer a Major Blow
There's a lot going on in your post Percy, some of it's a bit off but the thing you're missing is similar to what happened in the US with Trump - a successful appeal to a very large number of not very educated and very pissed off people who felt that they weren't being listened or even given a voice. It was a lashing out against politics generally.
That and a cut back in all social services and a reduction in wages for pretty much every worker in the Uk over the last ten years caused by the 2008 financial collapse made it almost inevitable that the there'd be a knee jerk.
That's not surprising, what is, that a referendum was allowed in the first place. That was unbelievably stupid. The best thing about this vote today is that the chances of a second vote is improved. A bit.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 622 of 5796 (847633)
01-24-2019 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 616 by Phat
01-24-2019 12:08 PM


Re: Dangerous media smears of innocent boys
Phat writes:
I hope im not racist but i likely have unconscious hangups.
Everyone is racist, it's the way we're built. But knowing that helps fight it.
There is no reason that i should be vilified because of the behavior of my ancestors...although some racism does exist in our society and much of comes from populists.
That made me laugh again. You realise that the whole 'sins of my father' thing is what your entire religion is based on....

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 785 of 5796 (848022)
01-30-2019 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 782 by ringo
01-30-2019 3:29 PM


Re: Jobs Americans won't do
Ringo writes:
Our politicians are always going on about creating "good" jobs. Why don't they care about making the "bad" jobs better? If the working conditions were better and the pay was better, yes your grocery bill would be higher but you'd save a lot of money on walls too.
'cos that ain't the 'merican way. That would mean government intervention in the free market.
I was in Reykjavic a while ago and tried to tip the hotel staff, they declined politely and told me that they are very well paid and don't need tips. It's a different culture. To a visitor though, it's an incredibly expensive place.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 1073 of 5796 (850044)
03-29-2019 1:10 PM


For what it's worth, I think both sides are wrong in the way they're arguing what this finding means.
Trump is wrong in saying that the accusations were groundless and a conspiracy of the Democrats and the Democrats are wrong to continue to claim that Trump is somehow guilty of something regardless of the outcome of the investigation.
The fact is that he was investigated because there was evidence but that there was not enough of it nor was it compelling enough to lead to a charge that had a better than even chance of succeeding to convince a jury beyond reasonable doubt.
That's what it looks like from this distance anyway.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 1078 of 5796 (850056)
03-29-2019 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1077 by Percy
03-29-2019 4:11 PM


Sure, that's what democrats say.
Never-the-less, Trump will not face any charges and the democrats will bleat pointlessly about it. Time to move on.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 1081 of 5796 (850059)
03-29-2019 7:43 PM


I do not deny anything said in the last two posts. Never-the-less, and again, Trump will not be charged and no amount of rationalisation and regret will change that.
I have no feeling that the investigation was materially flawed or corrupt so it's time to move on.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 1085 of 5796 (850075)
03-30-2019 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1082 by Percy
03-30-2019 10:30 AM


It's rather hard to imagine that there is evidence in the full version of the report sufficient to provide for a prosecution when the author of it tells us that there is not. Sounds like desperation to me.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 1135 of 5796 (850295)
04-05-2019 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 1133 by Phat
04-05-2019 1:18 PM


Re: More attacks on the nation
Phat writes:
Because personally, I feel that our conversations are entertaining. If such a conversation was uninterrupted, it would provide infotainment to our brethren and sistren.
If it was anything like your last one, I'd throw up. Again.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 1189 of 5796 (850510)
04-09-2019 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1183 by Faith
04-09-2019 1:52 PM


Re: More attacks on the nation
Faith writes:
The Bible says we are all sinners, period.
Well it should know, the alleged author created the sinners.
But people who put themselves above others on the basis of PC, or on any basis, essentially denying that they themselves are sinners but other people are really really bad, are definitely not decent people.
Well given that we're all fallible sinners we have fallibilities. But you know, I think my fallibilities are less than murderers and rapists and what's more I think I have a moral responsibility to not only say so, but also support the institutions we've built to defend against such people.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 1192 of 5796 (850526)
04-10-2019 3:04 AM
Reply to: Message 1190 by Faith
04-09-2019 9:05 PM


Re: More attacks on the nation
Faith writes:
Oh learn something for a change. This has been answered umpteen zillion times by now. God created everything perfect. Sin entered later and is the cause of all the problems in the world, including death and disease and then the Flood.
Your God created evil too and allowed it to 'enter'. Quite a trickster, not so perfect it seems to me.
quote:
“I am Jehovah, and there is none else; besides me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known me; that they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none besides me: I am Jehovah, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil. I am Jehovah, who does all these things” (Isa. 45:5-7).
Oh you have the right but it's pretty disgusting to put yourself above people like Robert E. Lee.
I have nothing to say about Robert E Lee.
And what's the point in beating your chest over not being a murderer?
You were suggesting that we sinners are equally sinful, I'm pointing out that we are not.
Shouldn't we be saying There but for the grace of God go I?
God has nothing to do with me not being a murderer.
And if you don't know you are just as likely to have been a murderer as anyone else you are really missing the point.
You're going to have to explain that - but be careful, you're heading for a fall.
But I guess fallen humanity can't help putting other people down. It's just that there's something particularly disgusting about the Left's ideological putdowns.
So you don't think you're better than a murderer? Yet you believe in capital punishment. How does that work?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 1229 of 5796 (850675)
04-12-2019 3:27 AM
Reply to: Message 1223 by PaulK
04-11-2019 1:09 PM


Re: More attacks on the nation
There was a cartoon of Jesus saying 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone' and a stone comes flying in from the crowd hitting the victim. He turns round to see who threw it and says 'mum, sometimes you really piss me off'.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 1596 of 5796 (851831)
05-03-2019 3:06 AM
Reply to: Message 1580 by Faith
05-02-2019 3:00 PM


Re: Thanks to marc9000 for his kindness
Faith writes:
Jesus was telling believers to "love one another as I have loved you." Yes we are to love everybody but this was a special commandment to be obeyed among the believers only.
Wow, what a preposterous corruption of his message. Have you forgotten the Good Samaritan? How come it takes an atheist to point out that Jesus' message of love was meant for EVERYONE?
quote:
The message you heard from the very beginning is this: we must love one another. (1 John 3:11)
And now I give you a new commandment: love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. (John 13:34)
Do not take revenge on others or continue to hate them, but love your neighbors as you love yourself. I am the Lord. (Leviticus 19:18)
Above everything, love one another earnestly, because love covers over many sins. (1 Peter 4:8)
Be under obligation to no one”the only obligation you have is to love one another. Whoever does this has obeyed the Law. (Romans 13:8)
My children, our love should not be just words and talk; it must be true love, which shows itself in action. (1 John 3:18)
No one has ever seen God, but if we love one another, God lives in union with us, and his love is made perfect in us. We are sure that we live in union with God and that he lives in union with us, because he has given us his Spirit. (1 John 4:12-13)
Do all your work in love. (1 Corinthians 16:14)
Be always humble, gentle, and patient. Show your love by being tolerant with one another. Do your best to preserve the unity which the Spirit gives by means of the peace that binds you together. (Ephesians 4:2-3)
To conclude: you must all have the same attitude and the same feelings; love one another, and be kind and humble with one another. Do not pay back evil with evil or cursing with cursing; instead, pay back with a blessing, because a blessing is what God promised to give you when he called you. (1 Peter 3:8-9)

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 1611 of 5796 (851862)
05-03-2019 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1606 by Faith
05-03-2019 12:00 PM


Re: Thanks to marc9000 for his kindness
Faith writes:
The phrase "one another" refers to the disciples.
Jesus's message of love was meant to be universal otherwise it's meaningless.
quote:
In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
Forgotten the Good Samaritan have we? Forgotten that you are meant to love even your enemies?
quote:
But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 1614 of 5796 (851867)
05-03-2019 2:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1612 by Faith
05-03-2019 1:48 PM


Re: Thanks to marc9000 for his kindness
Faith writes:
There's no point in saying it again. You are ignorant of Christian theology and nothing I say is going to change your mind.
How can I be wrong, I'm quoting from your book?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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