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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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JonF Member (Idle past 196 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Any ***** can tell what Trump meant,
Agreed. It's obvious that you are mindlessly repeating unfounded dogma.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
He very clearly did NOT call Nazis "fine people." You are the one with the ridiculous dogma, designed only to try to discredit Trumo with lyes.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member
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You are really coming out as a supporter of slavery now. Yeah, I came to that conclusion last night when I checked in. A few days ago, you mentioned that expecting coherence from Marc's posts was expecting too much. Well, if you reread them with the assumption that Marc believes slavery was a perfectly legitimate institution and that Southern secession was a reasonable response to Northern hostility to it, then suddenly there's a lot of coherence in Marc's posts. Factually and historically inaccurate, but there is a certain coherence. Which is unfortunate; I fear that means there is so little common ground that any kind of understanding maybe impossible. Edited by Admin, : Fix homonym mistake: "succession" => "secession"Hell hath no fury like a white man scorned. If you take nothing else from the Senate's confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh, take that much. -- Kai Wright
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JonF Member (Idle past 196 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Then why are they denied the right and duty to refuse to enforce unfunded government mandates of auto emissions testing which will certainly harm their economies?
Guess you slept through civics class. Federal authorities enforce Federal laws such as immigration law and anti-pollution law. State and local authorities enforce state law. Local authorities also enforce local laws. State and local authorities may not override Federal law, but are not required to enforce it. State and local authorities are not responsible for or required to enforce Federal law. Got it now? On the subject of economic harm,
Pick one.
You really need to hone your reading comprehension. i asked for a law, not an editorial. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 196 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
If a poll were taken among land owners at the border, I think it would be pretty lopsided, concerning who favors, or doesn't favor, more border security including the wall.
About the wall you're certainly correct. It's been done. But you won't like it.
Look here
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JonF Member (Idle past 196 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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"There were fine people on both sides."
One side was Nazis. The other side weren't.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Not according to Trump and it's his opinion that is the issue here. We can keep going round and round and because there are a dozen more of you than there are of me you will "win" by just repeating a lye over and over again, but the truth is that Trump never said anything to support the white supremacists as "fine people" and clearly condemned them. I know you HAVE TO brand him a racist because that's what LFETSTS do. Smearihng people as racists is the way you deal with your opponents. Amazing how slander has become acceptable argument these days so corrupt is public discourse not to mention politics as a whole.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Well, aside from the historical fact that "suddenly ending slavery" was a minority position - and a very unpopular one at that, even in the North What's your source for that historical fact? It's pretty much standard history. Just about any history of slavery in the US will mention that despite the how unpopular slavery was in the North, very few people advocated abolition in the states where it existed. Most of the popular political activism consisted of opposing the Fugitive Slave Act and trying to prohibit slavery in the territories.
Added by edit: I should clarify here: where Northerners did support emancipation, it was mostly in the context of gradual emancipation with compensation to the slave owners and with the cooperation of the Southern states themselves. The hardcore Abolitionist movement was minority position. -
The Emancipation Proclamation and 13th amendment are historical facts too - well documented ones. What is also well documented is that both of these things happened after seccession, and so aren't really indicative of the popularity of abolition at the time of Lincoln's election. The Emancipation Proclamation itself supports this. As a result of Southern secession in spite of all the compromises the Northern politicians were making, Northerners were becoming even more hostile to it. Furthermore, Union soldiers were writing home about the horrible conditions they were finding when the were occupying Southern territory. But still, Lincoln had to be careful. He was aware that the Republicans would lose a lot of support if it seemed like the War became a war about slavery, as well as a concern that he not overstep his Constitutional authority. For that reason, Lincoln was very careful to craft the Proclamation as a wartime measure under his authority as commander-in-chief against the portions of the Confederacy not yet under Union control (and therefore still in a state of belligerency). And the Thirteenth Amendment was ratified after the War, when the political environment was very, very different. -
The problems of not being able to support themselves. I don't see how blacks couldn't support themselves when they were already supporting entire white families. But seriously, the belief that blacks can't support themselves seems pretty damn racist. -
Just how cruel and mean slave owners were, or how much that cruelty varied among slave owners is impossible to measure, today or back then, but slaves did have one thing, a secure place to live and work. Yeah, I'm sure some slave owners were kind to their slaves just as some dog owners are kind to their dogs. But black people are not dogs, so that's not all that relevant, What is relevant that denying any human being their dignity as a free and equal human being is prima facie cruel. You cannot have slavery that is not cruel. -
There might not have been many, but there were at least a few black people who wore Confederate uniforms. As one source put it: Yeah, and there were Jews who supported Nazis. What of it? At any rate, every source I looked at indicated that these black Confederates deserted to the Union side whenever they had a chance and explained how they really weren't given much of a choice in the matter. Edited by Chiroptera, : No reason given.Hell hath no fury like a white man scorned. If you take nothing else from the Senate's confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh, take that much. -- Kai Wright
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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I live in Texas.
I live a few miles north of the Rio Grande River. I live in the area called "La Frontera"; the Border. I understand that the idea of a Border Wall along the Rio Grande River is utterly stupid; stupid in every single possible conceivable instance. Only willfully ignorant people support such a Border Wall. And they are so utterly ignorant it seems they cannot even get on Google Earth or Google Maps and actually look at the geography involved. It's essential to understand that those who support a Wall along the Rio Grande River Border are probably not evil people, simply willfully ignorant, delusional and not in touch with reality is any way. They should be pitied. For those poor souls as an attempt to begin their education and journey towards enlightenment, here is a link to the essential information.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
People like marc do believe that slavery was a legitimate practice. Would even support it today I think.
There is a very significant extremely racist group of people in this country. Marc and Faith or just a representation. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'd sue you for slander if I could you evil lying ******* creep.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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It’s worth pointing out that the Emancipation Proclamation was only possible because of the war. Lincoln held that he lacked the power to abolish slavery under peacetime conditions.
While counterfactuals are always difficult, it is certain that there was no move to immediately end slavery before the war, and the war was the only thing that made it possible to end slavery that quickly - as well as providing additional motivation to do so. Had the South been willing to accept and work towards a gradual abolition I see every reason to think that would have been allowed. The very act of doing so would have helped resist calls for immediate abolition. However, the South seceded because they were not at all willing to accept any end to slavery.
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JonF Member (Idle past 196 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Trump said something that supports white supremacists. That's part of why the white supremacists think he"s one of them.
He's too stupid and/or ignorant to comprehend the effect of his words. No matter what Trump thinks his words support Nazis.
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JonF Member (Idle past 196 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Demonstrating truth is the perfect defense against accusations of libel. (Slander is spoken, libel is written.)
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Well you can't sue me for slander because I did not make a slanderous statement. You would have to sue me for libel. You would not be able to do that, because I can easily display racist comments you have made. Not too worried about a troll.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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