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Stile
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Message 1696 of 5796 (852045)
05-06-2019 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1599 by marc9000
05-03-2019 8:54 AM


Re: The fake news about Charlottesville answered again
marc9000 writes:
I'm sure you clearly see what you did, and you might even try to avoid it in the future.
Although I'm sure it all makes sense in your mind - I cannot read your mind.
I have no idea what you're talking about as you didn't clarify in any way.
If you'd like to add something to the discussion, feel free.
If not, no worries.
Have a good one!

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JonF
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Message 1697 of 5796 (852048)
05-06-2019 4:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1675 by marc9000
05-05-2019 9:36 PM


Re: The fake news about Charlottesville answered again
Not "just like". Letting undocumented immigrants vote in local elections is easily accommodated in our current system. Letting them vote in higher elections would be a major upheaval in our system, including at least one Constitutional amendment. A humongously gigantic step, not at all comparable to changing "two hours" to "any flight".
BTW, we do notice you have no evidence of either intent to let undocumented immigrants vote in all elections or liberals alleged love of incrementalism.
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Message 1698 of 5796 (852049)
05-06-2019 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1695 by Theodoric
05-06-2019 12:00 PM


Re: We're still talking as if pro-slavery was a legitimate position?
I have made no racist comments you lyng ***** (which is a mild term for anyone who calls someone a racist who is not a racist).{I'm removing that term because it was over the top even for me, and I apologize for it} I am not a racist and any racist comments exist only in your own evil ******* -->******* -->******* -->******* -->******* -->******* -->******* mind just as they do against Trump on this thread. Lyble, fine, I'd love to sue you for lybl if only a lawyer would show up here and offer to do it pro bono, subpoena your IP number and sue you for twenty years of your income.
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AZPaul3
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Message 1699 of 5796 (852062)
05-06-2019 5:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1698 by Faith
05-06-2019 4:31 PM


Re: We're still talking as if pro-slavery was a legitimate position?
Censor policy, I've felt that sting. Deservedly so, as are you.
Just give it some private tea time to think. You get over it.
And then, please, back to the ... uh ... explanations you posit.
You start, or shall we say embellish, some good fights.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Faith 
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Message 1700 of 5796 (852068)
05-06-2019 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1699 by AZPaul3
05-06-2019 5:22 PM


Re: We're still talking as if pro-slavery was a legitimate position?
I don't care about the censorship, it just shows Percy to be a crazed political partisan who can't tolerate opposition. But I am no racist and I do not deserve that and if you think I do you're a lyng ***** too.
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Tanypteryx
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Message 1701 of 5796 (852085)
05-06-2019 6:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1698 by Faith
05-06-2019 4:31 PM


Re: We're still talking as if pro-slavery was a legitimate position?
I'd love to sue you for lybl if only a lawyer would show up here and offer to do it pro bono, subpoena your IP number and sue you for twenty years of your income.
You'd lose and have to pay court costs.

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One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Theodoric
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Message 1702 of 5796 (852090)
05-06-2019 9:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1698 by Faith
05-06-2019 4:31 PM


Re: We're still talking as if pro-slavery was a legitimate position?
Have your lawyer contact me. This will be fun.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 1703 of 5796 (852091)
05-06-2019 10:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1698 by Faith
05-06-2019 4:31 PM


Re: We're still talking as if pro-slavery was a legitimate position?
Sue you for twenty years of your income
That won't get you much. I have no income. Depending on how you want to look at it, I am either a kept man or a stay at home dad. Besides that isn't how libel and slander suits works. You would have to show actual harm either economic or mental anguish and punitive damages would require evidence that the libel was intentional. I think perusing your comments here and on your blogs would inoculate me from that. Your anti Islam screeds alone will make any suit you bring untenable. By all means bring it on.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 1704 of 5796 (852097)
05-07-2019 12:23 AM
Reply to: Message 1700 by Faith
05-06-2019 5:38 PM


Re: We're still talking as if pro-slavery was a legitimate position?
quote:
I don't give a damn about the censorship, it just shows Percy to be a crazed political partisan who can't tolerate opposition.
Funny how libel is fine when you do it. I realise that you consider it essential to shout down opponents with abuse - but that doesn’t show anything about Percy. Percy just got sick of your bad behaviour.
Added:
And this is what a “crazed political partisan” really looks like Message 1643. There’s evidence of racism there, too.
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Message 1705 of 5796 (852100)
05-07-2019 8:39 AM
Reply to: Message 1643 by Faith
05-04-2019 10:59 AM


Asylum seekers ≠ "illegals"
No matter how many times you say it asylum seekers are not "illegals". By virtue of the definition they can not be "illegals". Seeking asylum is enshrined in US law and international law. The Trump administration is the one doing illegal activity by not following US and international treaties in the treatment of asylum seekers. His behavior leaves the US open to international sanctions and members of his administration open to international criminal prosecution.
Those are the legal facts no matter what you and the right wing racists you listen to say.
Non-racists do not spout racist arguments and lies.
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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Phat
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Message 1706 of 5796 (852102)
05-07-2019 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 1698 by Faith
05-06-2019 4:31 PM


A So-Called Christian Becomes A Tool Of Satan
quote:
I have made no racist comments you lying scumbag (which is a mild term for anyone who calls someone a racist who is not a racist). I am not a racist and any racist comments exist only in your own evil ******* -->******* -->******* -->******* -->******* -->******* -->******* mind just as they do against Trump on this thread. Libel, fine, I'd love to sue you for libel if only a lawyer would show up here and offer to do it pro bono, subpoena your IP number and sue you for twenty years of your income.
You are a tool of Satan. Your atrocious behavior is doing more to discredit, disgrace, and demean Christianity than anything you profess to believe. I won't blame you for you don't understand what you do...that you are in fact demon oppressed. In the name of Jesus, and by the authority of His shed blood I rebuke you evil spirits that have dared render our member Faith so ineffective and such a tool of Satan! (Everyone else just remain calm. If Faith is honest she will see her own oppressed self...if not, avoid her...she has spirits. ) And do NOT claim that I am an arrogant Saint...I have my own problems to deal with, but I recognize mine and pray to be cleansed from them. For all of the reading that you do, you really should know better, Faith. You are advertising Satan. Please stop.
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Edited by Phat, : spelling. Also I need to pray for Faith. Anyone who believes, please pray silently with me
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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
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Percy
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Message 1707 of 5796 (852104)
05-07-2019 10:51 AM


When Confederate Monuments Were Built is Important
Here's a graph of when confederate monuments were built:
This image is so large that if you expand it you have to pan around to read it, so it's best to leave it at this size. The legend at the bottom is too small to see, but what it shows is that the vast bulk of confederate monuments were erected between 1900 and 1920 when the Ku Klux Klan and white supremacy and Jim Crow laws were at a peek. They weren't erected as war memorials but as one of many means used during the period to discriminate against blacks.
The oft-mentioned Robert E. Lee statue in Charlottesville is from this period, commissioned in 1917 and unveiled in 1924. It reflects rampant southern racism, white supremacy, black intimidation, and black disenfranchisement. As history it is a record of these southern white attitudes rather than a tribute to a southern war hero.
I'm a historical preservationist, so I lean toward keeping such statues where practical but think they should all be accurately contextualized. I accept the arguments that it should be asked whether any given monument remains appropriate in its current prominent location.
I think Faith's "men of their time" arguments for Southern Civil heroes have significant merit. I can't understand the thinking of men who, for example, in their wills granted their slaves freedom upon their deaths (why not immediately) but beat or whipped them as punishment (though whipping was not an uncommon punishment for the period no matter the race), but most people accept the norms of their societies, no matter how foreign or wrong they may seem to later generations. We should conserve such records of the past, not obliterate them. They serve as reminders that cruelty often doesn't seem cruel to those under its sway.
--Percy

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Faith 
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Message 1708 of 5796 (852111)
05-07-2019 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1706 by Phat
05-07-2019 10:01 AM


Re: A So-Called Christian Becomes A Tool Of Satan
Dear Phat,
If you are the one who wrote the explanation for the red dot about "taking one for the team," I believe you should suspend yourself a second time for that second attack on me. I also believe your first suspension was not nearly enough for the offense which was truly egregious, which is expressed in the title of this post.
As you know I've many times criticized YOU for your Christian failures, mostly doctrinal in nature, and suggested that your church should discipline you for your deviations from what they teach and excommunicate you if you don't repent. But I don't recall ever sinking to the foul level you have just exhibited against me. AND since you are doctrinally compromised I don't see any reason to take your Lbrl Christian complaints against me seriously.
Perhaps I should be disciplined for losing my temper so extremely at times, but I don't think anyone could say I haven't been extremely provoked. If you think that retroactively suspending me for my meltdown is justified I won't argue it, but I think others deserve the same treatment.
Sorry but I do believe that being called a racist is a huge offense that deserves some kind of extreme denunciation. I think you should have disciplined Theodoric for that too for both me and marc9000 who is no doubt also not a racist although he didn't protest. I denounced Theodoric because I figured nobody else would, which is par for the course at EvC over the last few years, but I'll take it back if you would like to do the job yourself. I believe a number of days of suspension would be appropriate, though at least a week for your offense. And while you're at it you owe me an apology for this attack on me.
I'll say again that I get so angry at the ******* -->******* stupidities here I could chew nails, and while I believe the Lord is also opposed to the ******* -->******* craziness He doesn't want me erupting as I do either.
But YOU are a typical "librl Christian" wimp who mistakes wimpery and mindless accommodation to evil for Christian love. That in itself gets me angry. I won't defend my eruptions beyond what I've already said, but I do have to say that your version of Christian love is a big fat fraud.
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Faith 
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Message 1709 of 5796 (852112)
05-07-2019 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1707 by Percy
05-07-2019 10:51 AM


Re: When Confederate Monuments Were Built is Important
As I believe I stated some time back (Message 1164), I discovered that Lee opposed the erecting of monuments and would have opposed his own statue, and that the people who erected it were avowed white supremacists. That led me to the view that it should be pulled down for that reason if no other. I do generally support the argument about men of their time but it seems there is this other factor in his case. NEVERTHELESS, with the correct captioning perhaps it should stay because he was such a prominent figure in his time.
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Message 1710 of 5796 (852114)
05-07-2019 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1706 by Phat
05-07-2019 10:01 AM


Re: A So-Called Christian Becomes A Tool Of Satan
Hey Phat, calm down, you sound as deluded and batty as Faith, spouting all that superstitious nonsense. Have you fallen off your wagon?
There's no Satan and no demons, just people behaving like idiots believing all sorts of gibberish that wouldn't be out of place in the middle ages.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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