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Theodoric
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Message 1741 of 5796 (852164)
05-07-2019 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1738 by ooh-child
05-07-2019 6:12 PM


Re: Racy photos?
I don't think who the pics are of is known yet. If Cohen thought they were disturbing and they were of Falwell's wife, then indiscretion certainly fits. Even if they are quite tame, in the eyes of the evangelical community they would be an indiscretion.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 1742 of 5796 (852165)
05-07-2019 7:52 PM
Reply to: Message 1740 by Faith
05-07-2019 7:35 PM


Re: Racist actions?
Again a post full of racism.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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JonF
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Message 1743 of 5796 (852168)
05-07-2019 8:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1740 by Faith
05-07-2019 7:35 PM


Re: Racist actions?
Thanks for confirming his rental racism in the 80's. Expected monetary losses are not an excuse for breaking the law. Renting to blacks is part of the business. He formally acknowledged that in the settlement but didn't learn it.
ABE I note that your excuse reeks of racism.
He said the people crossing the border are drug dealers and rapists and murderers. Few if any of them are. I don't suppose you have evidence of how many and what problems they bring with them (anecdotes about individual cases don't address the "how many" part).
We know you won't change your mind about Charlottesville even if God speaks from a burning bush and tells you you're wrong. We did look at your video and made points about it that you ignored. You also made no relevant response to any of the points we raised. It's seriously hypocritical for you to complain about your video.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF
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Message 1744 of 5796 (852169)
05-07-2019 8:28 PM
Reply to: Message 1741 by Theodoric
05-07-2019 7:50 PM


Re: Racy photos?
Unless they were of Trump.

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Message 1745 of 5796 (852178)
05-07-2019 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 1707 by Percy
05-07-2019 10:51 AM


Re: When Confederate Monuments Were Built is Important
I think Faith's "men of their time" arguments for Southern Civil heroes have significant merit.
I've already said this, but I'll go ahead and repeat it.
In my opinion, the secessionists and pro-slavery people stand guilty even in the context of the times. The evils of slavery were by this time pretty well understood over most of the world. Nations that allowed it were, at this time, forbidding it in their countries, Nations that had already prohibited it were extending the prohibition to their colonies. European nations were collaborating to stop the international slave trade, even interdicting ships on the high seas.
The Southern US were very well aware that the world was turning against them. The Southern states were passing laws prohibiting literature and advocating ending slavery. In Congress, their representatives were forcing the end of compromises that had been made in the past and Congress even adopted rules that they would no longer hear anti-slavery petitions.
It seems clear to me that the times and culture no more excused Southern slavery supporters in their fight against their times than today's times and culture excuses contemporary homophobes and anti-immigration bigots.
I agree that it is often a tricky thing to try to judge a person within the context of their cultural milieu, but I don't think that in this case it really helps the memory of the Confederate generals or politicians.

Hell hath no fury like a white man scorned. If you take nothing else from the Senate's confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh, take that much. -- Kai Wright

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ooh-child
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Message 1746 of 5796 (852180)
05-07-2019 9:44 PM
Reply to: Message 1741 by Theodoric
05-07-2019 7:50 PM


Re: Racy photos?
Well I’ve done the same for my husband expecting privacy. Don’t care if anyone thinks they’re kinky. If stolen & then used against him in all his work & in public view; it’s wrong.

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Theodoric
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Message 1747 of 5796 (852181)
05-07-2019 9:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1746 by ooh-child
05-07-2019 9:44 PM


Re: Racy photos?
I agree with you. But you are not a national evangelical leader making moral pronouncements. You are not a national leader of the religious right condemning sexuality of millions of people.
For a man in his position to have taken and not made sure no one could access, "racy" pictures of his wife, it is an indiscretion, a lack of good judgement.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Tangle
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Message 1748 of 5796 (852187)
05-08-2019 2:41 AM


Just as an aside.
I heard and academic say that in rich households black children were often kept as 'pets'. It struck me that in order to understand slavery that is very instructive - those white people really did regard black people as a different species. A lower form of life, probably somewhere between monkey and man over which they had dominion.

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Theodoric
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Message 1749 of 5796 (852190)
05-08-2019 8:22 AM
Reply to: Message 1722 by Faith
05-07-2019 2:13 PM


This guy claims he is not a racist too
The facts and his own words show otherwise. Would you call him "not a racist"?
”I’m Not Racist’: City Councilman Tells Constituent He Doesn’t Believe In Her Family’s Interracial Marriage
quote:
"I'm not racist," City Councilman Jim Cleveland says. "But I do not believe in interracial marriage. And that's the end of that story."
Oh and it is because he is a christian.
quote:
“I’m a Christian and my Christian beliefs are you don’t do interracial marriage. That’s the way I was brought up and that’s the way I believe,” Hoschton City Councilman Jim Cleveland proudly admitted. He also said it makes his "blood boil" when he sees Black and white people together.
Nice religion you got there.
What is it about blacks and whites together that makes his blood boil? Does he think black people are less than human? I don't understand the concept and reasoning, could you explain it to me?
Edited by Theodoric, : added ? mark

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 1750 of 5796 (852191)
05-08-2019 8:44 AM


The Falwell scandal may get ugly quickly
People in public positions must know that keeping things secret only lasts so long. This article shows how the Falwell empire is no inextricably linked to donnie. This is seemingly to the detriment of the Falwell empire. I am quite certain a number of investigative journalists and legal authorities are asking lots of questions today.
Inside the Falwell, Cohen, Granda ”Totally Normal Nothing to See Here’ Den of Iniquity
I think it is too early to accurately speculate on what the whole scandal is behind the scenes but it ain't gonna be pretty. But I am sure going to enjoy it.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

  
Theodoric
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Message 1751 of 5796 (852192)
05-08-2019 9:49 AM
Reply to: Message 1748 by Tangle
05-08-2019 2:41 AM


A lower form of life, probably somewhere between monkey and man over which they had dominion.
And that dominion included extreme sexual abuse. Slaves, male and female, were prone to sexual terror from an extremely young age. Buck breaking was commonly used. This was the rape of a black man by the owner so the owner could show dominance. It was a very public thing. Girls were raped form a very early age. There was no recourse. The slaves were property. Owners could do what ever they wanted with their property. Constant dehumanization is a key to maintaining a slave regime.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Faith 
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Message 1752 of 5796 (852200)
05-08-2019 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 1749 by Theodoric
05-08-2019 8:22 AM


Re: This guy claims he is not a racist too
There is nothing in the Bible that justifies an objection to interracial marriage. I don't see how they rationalize it. When he says that's the way he was brought up that's really the best explanation he has. It has no Christian justification so it's just a belief handed down to him. Of course it's racism, I'd like to know how he makes the distinction.

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Faith 
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Message 1753 of 5796 (852201)
05-08-2019 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1751 by Theodoric
05-08-2019 9:49 AM


Have you provided a source for this sort of information? Would you please do so.

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Stile
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Message 1754 of 5796 (852203)
05-08-2019 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1752 by Faith
05-08-2019 12:40 PM


Re: This guy claims he is not a racist too
Faith writes:
It has no Christian justification so it's just a belief handed down to him.
Thanks for that.

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PaulK
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Message 1755 of 5796 (852204)
05-08-2019 12:55 PM


Former Federal Prosecutors on Obstruction
Over 650 former prosecutors say Trump would be indicted if he weren't president
And no, they aren’t all “leftists”
The statement is signed by more than 20 former U.S. attorneys and more than 100 career Justice Department officials who worked in every administration dating back to President Eisenhower. It cites a number of episodes Mueller detailed in his report as "acts that satisfy all of the elements for an obstruction charge"

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