The Right Side of the News

They come here for work. Just ask the Trump Organization who had many illegal aliens employed for years, and even helped them get the paperwork they needed.

ITYM falsify the papers they needed.

And then taking those papers away from the workers, keeping them locked up in the office. That way the workers are forced to stay there. Common practice in human trafficking.I wonder if anyone has started to investigate them.

New FAIR Study: Illegal Immigration Costs $116 billionThe Cost of a Border Wall vs. the Cost of Illegal ImmigrationEdited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

What is the equivalent cost for citizens who make an equivalent wage? This doesn't sound like the cost of illegal immigration but the cost of being poor.

I would love to see a cost benefit analysis of Faith. And Trump. Right wing assholes think poverty is a character flaw.

I knew I had heard of this group. Unabashed racists.

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In August 2018, FAIR's former press secretary, Joe Gomez, filed a complaint with the Washington, D.C. Office of Human Rights, alleging racist, xenophobic, and ableist harassment at FAIR. Gomez alleges that he was called a "spic" by a fellow employee, that FAIR's communications director would often address him with Spanish phrases and that other colleagues would sometimes fake a Hispanic accent. He also accused FAIR's president of asking Gomez to raise his arm (he suffered from anxiety that caused him to shake) and laughed while Gomez's arm shook.

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SPLC classifies them as a hate group. Anti-Catholic right up your alley. I will go through there study and see what facts they actually use. Should be a hoot.

Cato institute, a very non-liberal organization, has already destroyed this study.

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FAIR’s report reaches that conclusion by vastly overstating the costs of illegal immigration, undercounting the tax revenue they generate, inflating the number of illegal immigrants, counting millions of U.S. citizens as illegal immigrants, and by concocting a method of estimating the fiscal costs that is rejected by all economists who work on this subject.

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https://www.cato.org/...gal-immigration-study-fatally-flawedI seem to remember you presenting this in the past and destroying it then too. Recycling old debunked arguments?

Thanks, I was thinking of checking out the Cato Institute on that.They ain't liberals, Faith. Strongly conservative and libertarian. Founded by one of the Koch brothers. They also are big on truth. The immigrant immunization statistics I showed you came from them."The mission of the Cato Institute is to originate, disseminate, and increase understanding of public policies based on the principles of individual liberty, limited government, free markets, and peace. Our vision is to create free, open, and civil societies founded on libertarian principles."

FAIR, "Federation for American Immigration Reform":

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The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) is a non-profit tax exempt organization in the United States that self-identifies as an organization seeking to reduce both legal and illegal immigration.[6] The group publishes position papers, organizes events, and runs campaigns in order to influence US immigration policies. The Southern Poverty Law Center classifies FAIR as a hate group with close ties to white supremacist groups.

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FAIR was founded in 1979 by the ophthalmologist John Tanton, former historian of labor movements and director of the Center for the Study of Democratic Institutions Otis L. Graham, Jr. and Sidney Swensrud, a former chairman of Gulf Oil and former governing board member of Planned Parenthood.

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Tanton became leader of several anti-immigration groups and held white supremacist beliefs while he led the organization.

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Instead of this Nazi propaganda piece, we need to see an actual study which accurately identifies and tallies both the costs and the revenue contributions of immigrants, including illegals. Remember, you need to look at both sides of the ledger, revenues as well as expenses. And we're not going to get that kind of information from your Nazi friends.

They did look at revenue but severely underestimated it. From the Cato article linked above:

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FAIR counts the benefits consumed by the U.S. born American citizen children of illegal immigrants. This means that FAIR also doesn’t count the taxes paid by these U.S. born citizens when they start working. Counting the benefits consumed but ignoring the tax revenue they pay (or will do so in the future) is one way FAIR gets such a negative result for this report....

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FAIR also undercounts the tax revenue generated by illegal immigrants. The first and most egregious undercount is that they ignore how increased housing demand raises the value of all real estate per county which also raises property tax revenue. According to research by economist Jacob Vigdor, each immigrant raises the value of all homes in their county by 11.5 cents. {I think this and the ensuing calculations are poorly justified - JonF}...

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FAIR also ignores the incidence of taxation when it comes to calculating their Social Security and Medicare contributions. In law, employers and employees are supposed to evenly split Social Security and Medicare contributions but the reality is more complicated....

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FAIR also ignores the incidence of taxation when it comes to calculating their Social Security and Medicare contributions. In law, employers and employees are supposed to evenly split Social Security and Medicare contributions but the reality is more complicated.

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FAIR probably undercounts sales tax revenue. I write “probably” because one of the sentences on page 54 of their report does not make any sense grammatically or mathematically.

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Trump softens his characterization of Mueller report findings to 'essentially no obstruction'There's video at the link. Wonder if someone sane got a tiny particle of reality into his head.

I think it would fair to say that someone with kids who is making 18k a year is going to use more in public programs than they pay in taxes. This is true for both illegal immigrants and legal citizens. This is just how our tax code and public programs are set up. If all those illegal immigrants left and those jobs were filled by citizens then the same problem would exist.

In general, yes, but I think it would be worse with citizens. Citizens would be more eligible for benefits, so if we keep all the numbers the same (ie, number of and size and composition of families in that bracket that would need benefits, same amount of tax revenues being generated by those families) then we would expect to see more citizens receiving benefits because they qualify for them than illegal immigrants who do not qualify for benefits. Same amount of money going into the system and more coming out results in higher net losses. Accounting 101 (which I did take in 1970).In terms of taxes, we should point out that cities' and counties' major sources of income are from property tax and (for cities especially) business licenses and taxes (also additional sales tax in some cities). Neither low-income group, illegal immigrants and legal citizens alike), pay any of those directly (outside of additional sales tax), so "studies" such as Faith's Nazi piece could try to claim that illegal immigrants take advantage of our public schools without paying for any part of that system, but then the same could be argued for poor legal citizens and that argument would be false in both cases. Part of every renter's rent payment is used by the property owner to pay his property taxes, so every renter does still pay into the taxes for public schools albeit indirectly.So my point is that when these kinds of arguments are used, they must take all factors into account and must do so honestly.

Trump accused of taking a child's ball to cheat and win a championship at one of his golf clubs

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Trump had missed the club championship at his Trump International course in Florida while meeting with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un in Singapore.

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About a month later, Trump was back at Trump International when he saw Ted Virtue, an investor who is a member of the club and had won the championship while Trump was away. Virtue was playing with his son, who was about 10 or 11 years old, according to Reilly, when Trump rode his cart over to them at the 12th hole.

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Trump joked that Virtue won his championship only because he had been out of town and then challenged him to play the final six holes of the course for the title, according to the story Reilly told to Vox. Then things really got weird.

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Reilly, who verified the story with members of the club, told the following story to Vox's Illing:

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Ted tries to laugh it off, but Trump is dead serious. Trump says, "We're going to play these last six holes for the championship." And Ted's like, "I'm playing with my son, but thanks anyway." But Trump says, "No, your son can play too." So they end up playing.

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They get to a hole with a big pond on it. Both Ted and his son hit the ball on the green, and Trump hits his in the water. By the time they get to the hole, Trump is lining up the kid's ball. Only now it's his ball and the caddie has switched it. The kid's like, "Daddy, that's my ball."

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But Trump's caddie goes, "No, this is the president's ball; your ball went in the water." Ted and his son look at each other confused, not sure if this is really happening. And Trump's caddie says, "This is the president's ball. I don't know what to tell you."

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According to Golf.com, Trump told Virtue that they could be cochampions, but on Trump's locker at the club, his plaque makes no indication that he shares the title.

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Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States and Faith's hero.{So many people have attested to his golf cheating that there is no question he does it. But It's OK If You're A Republican, right Faith?}