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ringo
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Message 1861 of 2127 (852594)
05-14-2019 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 1860 by Faith
05-14-2019 1:10 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
Faith writes:

Yes I believe he's honest, not clearheaded about a lot of things but honest, not articulate at times when he needs to be but honest. I think he's actually naïve.


I'm quoting this because it may be the most sensible thing you've ever said.

Faith writes:

He knows there are all these forces arrayed against him...


The forces aren't against "him", per se. They're against muddle-headedness, inarticulateness and naiveté. Those are not qualities a President should have.

Faith writes:

... none of that makes him dishonest.


In some instances, his stupidiity may come across as dishonesty but his actual dishonesty is also well documented.

Welcome back, Faith.

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Faith
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Message 1862 of 2127 (852596)
05-14-2019 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1861 by ringo
05-14-2019 1:20 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
Those are personality flaws that you'd think a President wouldn't have, yes, but they are not in the areas of his Presidential work, just stuff his enemies keep trying to pin on him. He spends most of his time trying to keep his campaign promises and thinking about that sort of thing so he isn't tuned in enough to where the attacks are coming from. In a way he doesn't care, which I consider a positive trait, but it does leave him open to attacks when someone more tuned in might not be. No I don't think he's dishonest.
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ringo
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Message 1863 of 2127 (852597)
05-14-2019 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1862 by Faith
05-14-2019 1:33 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
Faith writes:

He spends most of his time trying to keep his campaign promises and thinking about that sort of thing so he isn't tuned in enough to where the attacks are coming from.


He spends most of his time posting childish comments on Twitter. He's tuned into his perceived enemies much more than he's tuned into anything useful.

Welcome back, Faith.

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Faith
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Message 1864 of 2127 (852598)
05-14-2019 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 1830 by ringo
05-09-2019 11:41 AM


Re: Former Federal Prosecutors on Obstruction
You are pathetically ignorant of Christian theology and incredibly naïve about your idea that you read what the Bible "actually says" which is egocentrically naïve of you. You are insistent, however, and since nobody else here knows enough to answer you I have to take your nonsense as if it makes sense anyway. But I DO represent the theology of the traditional church, and you don't have a clue.
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Faith
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Message 1865 of 2127 (852599)
05-14-2019 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1863 by ringo
05-14-2019 1:37 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
I disagree. He answers his critics, that's the point of the Twitter posts. I wasn't sure if that was a good idea for a long time but now I think it is.
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ringo
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Message 1866 of 2127 (852600)
05-14-2019 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1864 by Faith
05-14-2019 1:40 PM


Re: Former Federal Prosecutors on Obstruction
Faith writes:

But I DO represent the theology of the traditional church, and you don't have a clue.


And yet you are the one who consistently runs away from discussions of the Bible because it doesn't support your ridiculous theology.

Welcome back, Faith.

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Tangle
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Message 1867 of 2127 (852601)
05-14-2019 1:51 PM
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05-14-2019 1:40 PM


Re: Former Federal Prosecutors on Obstruction
Faith writes:

But I DO represent the theology of the traditional church

You do not.

You represent your own beliefs which seem to be most closely related to Lutheran, a minority 16th century, version of European Christianity.

I was in Greece over Easter; Easter is a very big thing there. Greek Orthodox is actually at least orthodox.


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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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ringo
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Message 1868 of 2127 (852603)
05-14-2019 1:54 PM
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05-14-2019 1:41 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
Faith writes:

He answers his critics, that's the point of the Twitter posts.


His Twitter posts aren't "answers" to anything of substance. They're childish insults and name-calling. "Rocket Man", "Sleepy Joe", etc. are not "answers"

Welcome back, Faith.

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Faith
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Message 1869 of 2127 (852604)
05-14-2019 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1867 by Tangle
05-14-2019 1:51 PM


Reformed theology
Sorry but I do. My frame of reference is Reformed and the Reformation itself is an important influence in my thinking. Not Lutheran, but Reformed. I don't know what you consider to be "the traditional church" but to me it's based on today's Reformed theologians. R C Sproul, John MacArthur, lots more. None of it comes from "me," it all has a basis in various Reformed theological sources.

You confuse the formal Orthodox Church, Russian Orthodox or Greek Orthodox, with the ordinary term "orthodox" which simply means "true." The Orthodox Church is far more similar to Roman Catholicism and has nothing to do with my use of the word.

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Faith
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Message 1870 of 2127 (852605)
05-14-2019 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1868 by ringo
05-14-2019 1:54 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
We disagree.
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DrJones*
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Message 1871 of 2127 (852606)
05-14-2019 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 1862 by Faith
05-14-2019 1:33 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
No I don't think he's dishonest.

is a man who cheats on his wife honest or dishonest?

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
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Tangle
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Message 1872 of 2127 (852607)
05-14-2019 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1869 by Faith
05-14-2019 2:16 PM


Re: Reformed theology
Faith writes:

Sorry but I do.

I know you do. But so what? Your beliefs are no more orthodox than any other claiming the name.

And your usual attempt to re-define terms you don't like isn't helping.


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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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JonF
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Message 1873 of 2127 (852608)
05-14-2019 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 1858 by Faith
05-14-2019 12:41 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
Wow, so many lies.

Muller explicitly told Barr when Barr asked if he'd misrepresented the report in his four page note on its principal points that no, he hadn't. Muller said he was bothered by the media coverage but not that Barr had misrepresented the report. But the false story sticks anyway.

Sorry, the story is true. Mueller made it clear that Barr had misrepresented the report and the media had nothing to do with it.

quote:
As we stated in our meeting of March 5 and reiterated to the Department early in the afternoon of March 24, the introductions and executive summaries of our two-volume report accurately summarize this Office’s work and conclusions. The summary letter the Department sent to Congress and released to the public late in the afternoon of March 24 did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance of this Office’s work and conclusions. We communicated that concern to the Department on the morning of March 25. There is now public confusion about critical aspects of the results of our investigation. This threatens to undermine the central purpose for which the Department appointed the Special Counsel: to assure full public confidence in the outcome of the investigations. See Department of Justice, Press Release (May 17, 2017).

Trump WAS exonerated of obstruction of justice

Trump was not exonerated. Volume two contains hard evidence that Trump obstructed justice at least 10 times and would be indicted except for the DOJ opinion that the President could not be indicted while president.

Nevertheless they've been screaming for Barr to break the law and let them see the whole thing.

Wrong. The Democrats have been screaming to see the unredacted parts of the report that Barr can legally release to COngress. We're also asking that Barr and the Democrats request a judge to release the Grand Jury testimony. Whatever the judge decides the losing party will appeal and the Supreme Court will have the final say. If Barr refuses to join the request the Democrats may take further legal action. All lawful and common.

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Message 1874 of 2127 (852609)
05-14-2019 3:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1869 by Faith
05-14-2019 2:16 PM


Re: Reformed theology
quote:

Sorry but I do. My frame of reference is Reformed and the Reformation itself is an important influence in my thinking. Not Lutheran, but Reformed. I don't know what you consider to be "the traditional church" but to me it's based on today's Reformed theologians. R C Sproul, John MacArthur, lots more

Christianity is nearly 2000 years old. The Reformation is about 500 years old and Sproul was only born 80 years ago.

You have an odd idea of the “traditional church”.


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Message 1875 of 2127 (852610)
05-14-2019 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1873 by JonF
05-14-2019 2:49 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
JonF writes:

Faith writes:

Trump WAS exonerated of obstruction of justice


Trump was not exonerated. Volume two contains hard evidence that Trump obstructed justice at least 10 times and would be indicted except for the DOJ opinion that the President could not be indicted while president.

Your post completely refutes what Faith posted, but then more than 400 former prosecutors (at last count more than 500) weighed in about Barr's lies and Trump's lies, and yeah, Faith's lies.

‘Multiple Felony Charges’: Ex-Federal Prosecutors Call Out Trump’s Conduct

quote:
More than 400 former federal prosecutors across Republican and Democratic administrations issued a statement Monday saying President Donald Trump would face an obstruction of justice charge were he not the sitting U.S. president.

quote:
The former prosecutors said in their statement that “these are not matters of close professional judgment.” Defenses could be raised, the letter said, and “every accused person is presumed innocent and it is always the government’s burden to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. But, to look at these facts and say that a prosecutor could not probably sustain a conviction for obstruction of justice — the standard set out in Principles of Federal Prosecution — runs counter to logic and our experience.”

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