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Taq
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Message 1876 of 2127 (852611)
05-14-2019 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1862 by Faith
05-14-2019 1:33 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
Faith writes:

He spends most of his time trying to keep his campaign promises and thinking about that sort of thing so he isn't tuned in enough to where the attacks are coming from.

Really???

Trump promised that he would pass laws that would put everyone on health insurance. However, the Republican bill he backed would have left millions of Americans without health insurance. When has he ever attempted to pass legislation that would give every American affordable health insurance? Can you name the bill?


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Message 1877 of 2127 (852612)
05-14-2019 3:55 PM
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05-14-2019 3:36 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
917 of them as of now. STATEMENT BY FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTORS. There's an updated CSV there.

quote:
The Mueller report describes several acts that satisfy all of the elements for an obstruction charge: conduct that obstructed or attempted to obstruct the truth-finding process, as to which the evidence of corrupt intent and connection to pending proceedings is overwhelming. These include:

· The President’s efforts to fire Mueller and to falsify evidence about that effort;

· The President’s efforts to limit the scope of Mueller’s investigation to exclude his conduct; and

· The President’s efforts to prevent witnesses from cooperating with investigators probing him and his campaign.



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Taq
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Message 1878 of 2127 (852613)
05-14-2019 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 1860 by Faith
05-14-2019 1:10 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
Faith writes:

Yes I believe he's honest, not clearheaded about a lot of things but honest, not articulate at times when he needs to be but honest.

What scares me is that he is just wrong on so many things, very basic things that any president should know. For example, who pays the tariffs on goods that come into the US? Trump seemed to think that the Chinese pay these tariffs to the US Treasury instead of US importers. How did he not know that Americans pay those tariffs? Either he is too ignorant to be president, or he was lying. Either way, it's not a good look.


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JonF
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Message 1879 of 2127 (852614)
05-14-2019 3:58 PM
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05-14-2019 3:36 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
Dupe.

Edited by JonF, : No reason given.


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Tanypteryx
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Message 1880 of 2127 (852617)
05-14-2019 4:08 PM
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05-14-2019 3:51 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
When has he ever attempted to pass legislation that would give every American affordable health insurance? Can you name the bill?

Well, he did get Mexico to pay for the...oh wait.

If Trump took a red hot poker to Faith's eyes she would swear he was curing her macular degeneration.


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Faith
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Message 1881 of 2127 (852618)
05-14-2019 5:33 PM
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05-14-2019 2:23 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
I'm not talking about his personal habits. I think Clinton outdid him anyway.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Faith
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Message 1882 of 2127 (852619)
05-14-2019 5:38 PM
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05-14-2019 3:55 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
If there were "all the elements for an obstruction charge," Mueller would have brought that charge, that was the whole point of his investigation, to bring charges where he found it justified. Had the points you name qualified, Mueller would have brought the charges. He didn't. He had no other job than that and since he didn't do it there was clearly no obstruction of justice according to his investigation.

Oh and by the way the fact that a sitting President cannot be indicted NEVER EVER entered into any of the report's considerations, which was said very clearly by at least Mueller I think. It would at least have been mentioned in that gossip sheet called volume2.

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Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Faith
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Message 1883 of 2127 (852620)
05-14-2019 5:43 PM
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05-14-2019 3:36 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
Mueller's report DID exonerate Trump, of both "collusion" and obstruction of justice. Because that was the only point of such a report, to bring charges where cause was found. Cause was not found, that's the same as saying the report exonerated him.
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Chiroptera
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Message 1884 of 2127 (852624)
05-14-2019 6:11 PM


David Cole on the Mueller Report
By happy coincidence, I just downloaded the latest issue of The New York Review of Books. First article:

An Indictment in All But Name
by David Cole.

Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s long-awaited report, released to the public in a redacted version on April 18, lays out in meticulous detail both a blatantly illegal effort by Russia to throw the 2016 presidential election to Donald Trump and repeated efforts by President Trump to end, limit, or impede Mueller’s investigation of Russian interference. Trump’s efforts included firing or attempting to fire those overseeing the investigation, directing subordinates to lie on his behalf, cajoling witnesses not to cooperate, and doctoring a public statement about a Trump Tower meeting between his son and closest advisers and a Russian lawyer offering compromising information on Hillary Clinton.

Hell hath no fury like a white man scorned. If you take nothing else from the Senate's confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh, take that much. -- Kai Wright

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DrJones*
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Message 1885 of 2127 (852626)
05-14-2019 6:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1881 by Faith
05-14-2019 5:33 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
so he can be a dishonest personal person and an honest president? What do you call lying to troops about their pay? is that the act of a dishonest person or an honest president?

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
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DrJones*
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Message 1886 of 2127 (852628)
05-14-2019 6:20 PM
Reply to: Message 1883 by Faith
05-14-2019 5:43 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
Mueller's report DID exonerate Trump, of both "collusion" and obstruction of justice.

False. The report specifically states that the president could not be exonerated of the obstruction of justice charges. That quote was even in Barr's summary of the report.

While this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.

edited to add the quote

Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.


It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Faith
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Message 1887 of 2127 (852629)
05-14-2019 6:27 PM
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05-14-2019 6:20 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
The report had no authority whatever to "exonerate" anyone so stating that it didn't do so is just manipulative puff. All such an investigation can do is find that there is cause for criminal charges. That's ALL it can do and it found no such cause. Again, if Mueller had found such a cause HE WOULD HAVE BROUGHT CHARGES. Again, even the mention of exoneration is just the usual fakery to keep something going that in reality is dead, anything to keep up the fiction that Trump is at fault despite the finding that he was not at fault.
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Taq
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Message 1888 of 2127 (852630)
05-14-2019 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1887 by Faith
05-14-2019 6:27 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
Faith writes:

The report had no authority whatever to "exonerate" anyone . . .

That's not what you said before:

"Mueller's report DID exonerate Trump, of both "collusion" and obstruction of justice. "--Faith

Care to explain?


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Faith
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Message 1889 of 2127 (852631)
05-14-2019 6:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1884 by Chiroptera
05-14-2019 6:11 PM


Re: David Cole on the Mueller Report
There is no such thing as news any more, it's all made up gossip. **** News. "Indictment in all but name?" Oh nonsense. If there had been anything to charge Trump with he would have been charged. Sheesh.
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Faith
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Message 1890 of 2127 (852632)
05-14-2019 6:32 PM
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05-14-2019 6:29 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
The facts of the report exonerate him. The report has no such authority but since it didn't charge him with a crime he is exonerated.
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