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JonF
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Message 1996 of 5796 (852919)
05-20-2019 3:33 PM
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05-20-2019 1:56 PM


Re: The Carter Page FISA Warrant
Disputed by some who have no evidence.

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JonF
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Message 1997 of 5796 (852920)
05-20-2019 3:38 PM
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05-19-2019 9:12 AM


Re: One GOP representative gets it
I don't know any Republican "Trump despisers". I do know some such as Susan Collins who criticize him mildly but never do anything about it. Can you name a half-dozen "Trump despisers"? ?
Lots of them, you said.
Lots.
You can't think of a single name

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Taq
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Message 1998 of 5796 (852925)
05-20-2019 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1995 by Faith
05-20-2019 1:56 PM


Re: The Carter Page FISA Warrant
Faith writes:
Your statement that the FBI went through the correct procedures is disputed by some.
The facts are that the FBI acquired a warrant signed by a judge which is entirely legal.

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Message 1999 of 5796 (852938)
05-20-2019 8:35 PM
Reply to: Message 1998 by Taq
05-20-2019 4:18 PM


Re: The Carter Page FISA Warrant
I believe the dispute is about a misrepresentation being used to acquire the warrant.

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JonF
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Message 2000 of 5796 (852944)
05-21-2019 8:56 AM
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05-20-2019 8:35 PM


NoRe: The Carter Page FISA Warrant
Yes, that's what it's about.
For which there's no evidence, and there's significant evidence against it.

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Taq
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Message 2001 of 5796 (852995)
05-21-2019 1:20 PM
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05-20-2019 8:35 PM


Re: The Carter Page FISA Warrant
Faith writes:
I believe the dispute is about a misrepresentation being used to acquire the warrant.
Not all of the dispute. Trump is acting like he was "spied on", as if the FBI wasn't even allowed to investigate him, with a valid warrant or not.
Also, the source of all dossiers was made plain to the judge, and the judge still signed the warrant even knowing the possible bias in the dossiers. The judge wasn't missing any information.

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Message 2002 of 5796 (852996)
05-21-2019 1:22 PM
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05-21-2019 1:20 PM


Re: The Carter Page FISA Warrant
There is some question, a big question, whether the FBI has such a right at all.
I hope this will be clarified by the current investigation, as well as what you say about the judge having all the necessary information, since that is in dispute.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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ringo
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Message 2003 of 5796 (852997)
05-21-2019 1:24 PM
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05-21-2019 1:22 PM


Re: The Carter Page FISA Warrant
Faith writes:
There is some question, a big question, whether the FBI has such a right at all.
Maybe Trump should disband the FBI and replace them with his own personal Gestapo.

Izquierdo.

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PaulK
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Message 2004 of 5796 (853008)
05-21-2019 2:25 PM
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05-21-2019 1:22 PM


Re: The Carter Page FISA Warrant
quote:
There is some question, a big question, whether the FBI has such a right at all.
Perhaps you can explain what placed Carter Page beyond investigation - and think what you’d say if the FBI were investigating an associate of Hilary Clinton.

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JonF
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Message 2005 of 5796 (853011)
05-21-2019 3:10 PM
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05-21-2019 1:22 PM


Re: The Carter Page FISA Warrant
There is no question among those who support the Constitution and our system of laws.

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JonF
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Message 2006 of 5796 (853012)
05-21-2019 3:10 PM
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05-21-2019 1:24 PM


Re: The Carter Page FISA Warrant
He already thinks the FBI is his personal Gestapo.
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Taq
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Message 2007 of 5796 (853013)
05-21-2019 3:14 PM
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05-21-2019 1:22 PM


Re: The Carter Page FISA Warrant
Faith writes:
There is some question, a big question, whether the FBI has such a right at all.
That's baloney. No one is above the law, including presidential candidates. They were still investigating Hillary Clinton and her emails during the campaign, for crying out loud. Did you hear any protests from Republicans or Trump? Nope.
I hope this will be clarified by the current investigation, as well as what you say about the judge having all the necessary information, since that is in dispute.
Only those who are blind think it is in dispute. The source of the Steele dossier was plainly spelled out in the court proceedings during the request for a FISA warrant.

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Message 2008 of 5796 (853017)
05-21-2019 3:50 PM
Reply to: Message 2007 by Taq
05-21-2019 3:14 PM


Re: The Carter Page FISA Warrant
That's baloney. No one is above the law, including presidential candidates.
But there is no legal justification for surveillance just for the sake of surveillance, there has to be a cause, but there was absolutely nothing to justify spying on Trump, only that utterly fraudulent "dossier."
They were still investigating Hillary Clinton and her emails during the campaign, for crying out loud.
What she did was blatantly criminal, there was plenty of cause to investigate her. Exonerating her was in itself criminal considering what she did.
The source of the Steele dossier was plainly spelled out in the court proceedings during the request for a FISA warrant.
Hillary? Was she named?
Was the judge informed that Steele himself said he didn't know if the dossier was valid, and in fact it was never verified at all, it remained and remains unverified. Are FISA warrants granted on the basis of this kind of totally unverified politically motivated character assassination? Is this how our Constitution works? Really? I always thought the Constitution was concerned above all to protect people from such governmental intrusions. How about the fact that Steele was an avid Trump hater, was that known to the judge?
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PaulK
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Message 2009 of 5796 (853020)
05-21-2019 4:04 PM
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05-21-2019 3:50 PM


Re: The Carter Page FISA Warrant
quote:
But there is no legal justification for surveillance just for the sake of surveillance, there has to be a cause, but there was absolutely nothing to justify spying on Trump, only that utterly fraudulent "dossier."
There was no surveillance of Trump. We’re talking about Carter Page, remember ?
quote:
Hillary? Was she named?
Hilary Clinton was not the source of the Steele dossier. That would be Steele, the guy who compiled it.

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JonF
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Message 2010 of 5796 (853022)
05-21-2019 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 2008 by Faith
05-21-2019 3:50 PM


Re: The Carter Page FISA Warrant
The dossier was not the basis for starting the investigation. That's a right-wing hallucination.
Some of it is wrong, some of it has been confirmed. Calling it "fraudulent" is just another right-wing fraudulent scare tactic.
The FBI investigation of the Trump campaign began in July 2016. The FBI did not learn of the dossier until McCain gave them a copy in December 2016. 5-6 months later. The FBI and FISA Court are not time travelers.
As the Mueller report says in the introduction to volume :
quote:
In late July 2016, soon after WikiLeaks's first release of stolen documents, a foreign government [Australia - JonF] contacted the FBI about a May 2016 encounter with Trump Campaign foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos. Papadopoulos had suggested to a representative of that foreign government that the Trump Campaign had received indications from the Russian government that it could assist the Campaign through the anonymous release of information damaging to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. That information prompted the FBI on July 31, 2016, to open an investigation into whether individuals associated with the Trump Campaign were coordinating with the Russian government in its interference activities.
What she did was blatantly criminal
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