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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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JonF Member (Idle past 195 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Disputed by some who have no evidence.
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JonF Member (Idle past 195 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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I don't know any Republican "Trump despisers". I do know some such as Susan Collins who criticize him mildly but never do anything about it. Can you name a half-dozen "Trump despisers"? ?
Lots of them, you said. Lots. You can't think of a single name
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Faith writes: Your statement that the FBI went through the correct procedures is disputed by some. The facts are that the FBI acquired a warrant signed by a judge which is entirely legal.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I believe the dispute is about a misrepresentation being used to acquire the warrant.
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JonF Member (Idle past 195 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Yes, that's what it's about.
For which there's no evidence, and there's significant evidence against it.
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Faith writes: I believe the dispute is about a misrepresentation being used to acquire the warrant. Not all of the dispute. Trump is acting like he was "spied on", as if the FBI wasn't even allowed to investigate him, with a valid warrant or not. Also, the source of all dossiers was made plain to the judge, and the judge still signed the warrant even knowing the possible bias in the dossiers. The judge wasn't missing any information.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There is some question, a big question, whether the FBI has such a right at all.
I hope this will be clarified by the current investigation, as well as what you say about the judge having all the necessary information, since that is in dispute. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
Maybe Trump should disband the FBI and replace them with his own personal Gestapo. There is some question, a big question, whether the FBI has such a right at all.Izquierdo.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Perhaps you can explain what placed Carter Page beyond investigation - and think what you’d say if the FBI were investigating an associate of Hilary Clinton.
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JonF Member (Idle past 195 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
There is no question among those who support the Constitution and our system of laws.
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JonF Member (Idle past 195 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
He already thinks the FBI is his personal Gestapo.
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Faith writes: There is some question, a big question, whether the FBI has such a right at all. That's baloney. No one is above the law, including presidential candidates. They were still investigating Hillary Clinton and her emails during the campaign, for crying out loud. Did you hear any protests from Republicans or Trump? Nope.
I hope this will be clarified by the current investigation, as well as what you say about the judge having all the necessary information, since that is in dispute. Only those who are blind think it is in dispute. The source of the Steele dossier was plainly spelled out in the court proceedings during the request for a FISA warrant.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
That's baloney. No one is above the law, including presidential candidates. But there is no legal justification for surveillance just for the sake of surveillance, there has to be a cause, but there was absolutely nothing to justify spying on Trump, only that utterly fraudulent "dossier."
They were still investigating Hillary Clinton and her emails during the campaign, for crying out loud. What she did was blatantly criminal, there was plenty of cause to investigate her. Exonerating her was in itself criminal considering what she did.
The source of the Steele dossier was plainly spelled out in the court proceedings during the request for a FISA warrant. Hillary? Was she named? Was the judge informed that Steele himself said he didn't know if the dossier was valid, and in fact it was never verified at all, it remained and remains unverified. Are FISA warrants granted on the basis of this kind of totally unverified politically motivated character assassination? Is this how our Constitution works? Really? I always thought the Constitution was concerned above all to protect people from such governmental intrusions. How about the fact that Steele was an avid Trump hater, was that known to the judge? Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: There was no surveillance of Trump. We’re talking about Carter Page, remember ?
quote: Hilary Clinton was not the source of the Steele dossier. That would be Steele, the guy who compiled it.
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JonF Member (Idle past 195 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
The dossier was not the basis for starting the investigation. That's a right-wing hallucination.
Some of it is wrong, some of it has been confirmed. Calling it "fraudulent" is just another right-wing fraudulent scare tactic. The FBI investigation of the Trump campaign began in July 2016. The FBI did not learn of the dossier until McCain gave them a copy in December 2016. 5-6 months later. The FBI and FISA Court are not time travelers. As the Mueller report says in the introduction to volume :
quote: What she did was blatantly criminal Edited by JonF, : No reason given. Edited by JonF, : No reason given. Edited by JonF, : No reason given. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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