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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Taq Member Posts: 10038 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Faith writes: If the court was deprived of necessary information they would have falsely determined that there was legal justification for the surveillance. If I had a billion dollars I could buy a yacht. "Ifs" aren't worth much.
Hillary paid for the dossier. That would prove political motivation I would think. It doesn't. Hillary was paying for real information, so Steele wasn't politically motivated. Steele was essentially being paid to be a private investigator.
I believe there is evidence that it was known to be a fraud before the FISA warrants were acquired that may be made public soon. We'll have to wait and see about that. As others have mentioned, the Steele dossier wasn't really that important and was certainly not the only document presented to the FISA courts.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
If the Steele dossier wasn't the only document presented to the FISA courts I don't know of any other aimed at the Trump campaign, only the one whose content is unidentified for some reason that is supposedly aimed at the Hillary campaign.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
But that is not what you have claimed is it.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Nitpickery reigns around here. Any justification for making a lyer out of your opponent. I'd heard it was from Russia. So somebody correcting me to say "a large part of it"* is from Russia doesn't change my basic statement, it rather corroborates it after all the flat denials. Sheesh.
*changed "largely" to "a large part of it is" because of JonF's complaint below. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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quote: And the relevance is ? Only documents relevant to the warrant would be presented. And the warrant was for surveillance on Carter Page. Not for spying on the Trump campaign as you claim. If you can’t even understand what the warrant was for you really aren’t capable of discussing the issue.
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JonF Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
As I posted earlier and is widely known, no dossier was the foundation for the FISA warrant on Page.
As the Mueller report says in the introduction to volume 1:
quote: Got it now? Edited by JonF, : No reason given. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Details are critical.
I note you didn't use one of the flat-out lies I identified and debunked in detail as the example. Curious, that. Edited by JonF, : No reason given. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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Some of the information Michael Steele presented cam from Russian sources. The dossier did not originate in Russia. To make such a claim is to not be accurate and confuses the facts. Accuracy is not nit pickery. It is presenting the actual facts not some fever dream manipulation of the facts.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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JonF Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Oh, please don't make up quotes."Largely" isn't close to what I said. "A large part (not all) of the information in the document came from Russian sources."
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Please don't resort to innuendo, quote what you are referring to.
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JonF Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Please don't resort to innuendo, quote what you are referring to.
Please don't resort to innuendo, quote what you are referring to. You're the champion of not quoting and you didn't quote in the message in which you requested quoting. Irony much? I was composing on my phone. It's a mighty pain in the ass selecting and copying text. I figured you could remember what I posted. Turns out you did. But here you are: Details are critical.I note you didn't use one of the flat-out lies I identified and debunked in detail as the example. Curious, that. I keep hearing it was from Russia. If not I'll find out soon enough.
You should know already, it's been out in the open for many months. The dossier came from Fusion GPS, a US corporation based in Washington DC. The author was Christopher Steele. A large part (not all) of the information in the document came from Russian sources. She had classified information on her personal server. That is against the law, i.e. criminal.
Yes in some circumstances, no in other circumstances. Gosh, your sources didn't explain that? Could they be lying by omission?There are two statutes that cold apply in this case. 18 U.S. Code ”1924. Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material: quote:Note the word "knowingly". That's important. 18 U.S. Code ”798. Disclosure of classified information:
quote:"Knowingly and willfully". Notice a pattern? Hillary had three classified emails on her server. Emails containing classified information must start with a header stating so. That header, for whatever reason, was not on those three emails. Classified information in emails must be marked with, for example, (c) for confidential information. The classified information in those emails wa so marked, but it was way down in the chain of replies and forwards. I don't know if you have any relevant experience, but it is very rarer for anyone to go down through that chain instead of just reading the top message. Since the required header was not present to alert her and Hillary was a very busy person, it's virtually certain she did not see that (c). So. not knowingly and willfully, unless you can prove otherwise, which ain't gonna happen. Not a crime. She went to great pains to erase her emails and wreck the computer to destroy the evidence. That is obstruction of justice.
Not particularly great pains.In early 2014 Hillary turned over approximately 30,000 emails her staff had determined to be work-related, retaining the ones they determined to be personal. In December 2014 she decided she did not need any private emails older than 60 days, and instructed the server company to re-set her retention period to 60 days and delete older emails. Nobody ever checked to see if this was done. It wasn't. Couldn't have been that important, right? On March 4, 2105 her emails were subpoenaed. About three weeks later a technician at the server provider realized that the December order had not been carried out. He re-set the retention period and deleted the older emails. He ran a software program called BleachBit intending to prevent recovery of any of the deleted emails. Nobody dd any physical damage to the server. In the ensuing few months the FBI recovered all or most of the deleted emails from the undamaged server; it's not clear exactly how many. No evidence of criminal activity was found. A few work-related emails were found. Three elements are required to prove obstruction of justice:
Do you really think that anyone can prove Hillary had corrupt intent? Your opinion doesn't count. Anything else?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Sorry I'm not going to remember the details very well on this because I saw it hours ago and now can't find it again, but I wanted to note this small example of fake news and I think I can at least convey the gist of it.
Trump met with Pelosi and other Democrats today to discuss something about infrastructure. The way this is presented in a headline I encountered when I opened the internet is totally misleading: Trump is quoted saying how he just won't talk to Democrats any more as if he was getting emotional over nothing. Pelose is presented as saying it was a very "strange" meeting. NOTHING was said about what really happened: Pelosi said the President was engaged in a "cover up" and that's what Trump was reacting to: he said he wouldn't talk to them as long as they keep saying such false things about him or something like that, and ended the meeting. "Cover up" of what? That's ridiculous. The Democrats just make up stuff out of thin air against Trump, anything, anything at all will do to try to make him look bad. And it's all lies. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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quote: It obviously isn’t made up out of thin air. Trump is resisting all attempts to investigate what is going on. He makes false excuses to keep his tax returns secret, after promising to release them. He insists that McGahn should not testify. The record of lying about links with Russia also speaks volumes. See the BBC coverage. So more fake news and lying from the Right. As usual. At least the Left is working to defend America.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Trump is protecting the Presidency against attempts to destroy the separation of powers. That's all these attacks on him amount to, besides attempts to destroy him personally. Congress is asking for things he is not required to give them. He is not required to give them his tax returns and his objections reflect his RIGHT to privacy about them, and his desire to protect the Presidency from their unconstitutional demands. McGann does NOT have to testify so not doing it is his prerogative. He has NOT lied about links to Russia for pete's sake. It's the Democrats, it's the Left that is destroying the country. I am not interested in anything the BBC says, it's just another Leftist mouthpiece.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh and she accused him of having a "temper tantrum," to which he replied that he was purposely very calm and polite. How is it that they get to lie about him like that? Day after day after day. Somehow they have the power to do this, to trash him and trash those who voted for him. How do they get away with this? They are destroying the country and nobody can stop them.
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