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JonF
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Message 2161 of 5796 (853670)
05-30-2019 5:33 PM


They *want*.Russia to hack the election
They want Russia to hack the 2020 elections. They know Russia is on their side and It's OK If You're A Republican.
McConnell will not allow any election security bills on the floor.
The Senate Will Not Vote on Any Election Security Bills, GOP Senator Says
quote:
The reason, said Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) on Wednesday, is that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has decided not to bring any election security bills to the floor for a vote. Blunt’s remark occurred during a hearing of the Rules and Administration Committee, which has oversight of election administration. When Sen. Richard Durbin (D-Ill.) asked Blunt, the chairman, whether he was planning mark-ups of any of the several election security bills pending before the committee, Blunt responded that it would be fruitless to advance legislation that McConnell would not allow to come up for a vote.
“I don’t see any likelihood that those bills would get to the floor if we marked them up,” Blunt said. After prodding from Durbin, Blunt explained, “I think the majority leader just is of the view that this debate reaches no conclusion.”
Blunt also acknowledged that it was McConnell who stopped the Rules Committee last year from advancing the Secure Elections Act, a bipartisan bill to protect elections from interference. The committee was poised to mark up that bill last August when the hearing was mysteriously canceled the same morning that it was set to begin.

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Faith 
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Message 2162 of 5796 (853672)
05-30-2019 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 2161 by JonF
05-30-2019 5:33 PM


Re: They *want*.Russia to hack the election
Of course it suits the Llft to give it a snarky interpretation but it would be good to know what the real reason is. There are often objections to phrasing or the existence of other legislation that do something similar or didn't work or whatnot, or other incidentals that you aren't mentioning. Besides, the Russian interference didn't do anything for the Trump election anyway.
What does "mark up" mean?
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Taq
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Message 2163 of 5796 (853674)
05-30-2019 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 2162 by Faith
05-30-2019 5:54 PM


Re: They *want*.Russia to hack the election
Faith writes:
Of course it suits the Llft to give it a snarky interpretation but it would be good to know what the real reason is. There are often objections to phrasing or the existence of other legislation that do something similar or didn't work or whatnot, or other incidentals that you aren't mentioning.
If Republicans wanted to pass these bills they could work out the semantics in conference and bring a bipartisan bill to the floor. We all know this won't happen. The most likely explanation for why this won't happen is that it would force Trump to acknowledge that Russia interfered in the last election to begin with, something Trump has been loath to admit.

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JonF
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Message 2164 of 5796 (853680)
05-30-2019 6:26 PM
Reply to: Message 2162 by Faith
05-30-2019 5:54 PM


Re: They *want*.Russia to hack the election
Nobody knows the extent of the Russian's effect on the 2016 election. We can be sure they've been honing and testing their skills, and they'll have a lot more capabilities than they had in 2016. We won't have improved our defenses. There's a good chance they'll have a larger effect than whatever effect they had in 2016.
McConnell won't consider any election security bills, no matter how clean they are or what their content is or what else is going on. The ban is based solely on the subject of the bill; if it's election security it's out.
Marking up is changes made in committee. Amendments, rewrites, debates, votes.
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JonF
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Message 2165 of 5796 (853685)
05-30-2019 6:30 PM


Trump supporter admits she was ”surprised’ to learn Mueller’s report didn’t actually exonerate the president
quote:
In an interview with NBC News, Michigan Trump voter Cathy Garnaat said that she went to Rep. Justin Amash’s (R-MI) town hall this week to challenge his view that Trump should be impeached ” and she got caught off guard when he directly quoted from the Mueller report to justify his views.
“I was surprised to hear there was anything negative in the Mueller report at all about President Trump,” she admitted. “I hadn’t heard that before.”
Garnaat went on to explain that none of the news shows she watches or listens to have ever gone into depth about the contents of the Mueller report.
“I’ve mainly listened to conservative news and I hadn’t heard anything negative about that report and President Trump has been exonerated,” she explained.
'Nuff said.

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Message 2166 of 5796 (853689)
05-30-2019 7:09 PM


Huzzah!
Today the New Hampshire legislature overrode Republican Governor Sununu's veto and abolished the death penalty, the 21st state to do so.
Source: New Hampshire Abolishes Death Penalty
--Percy
PS - Maybe for an encore a little gun control?

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Message 2167 of 5796 (853690)
05-30-2019 7:22 PM
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05-30-2019 7:09 PM


Re: Huzzah!
It always amazes me that the same people who are for killing innocent unborn babies are happy when murderers' llves are spared.
I haven't finished the book about Ted Bundy yet, just reading bits of it from time to time, but recently read about his execution. He is known to have murdered 36 young women in as cruel and ugly a fashion imaginable, and possibly as many as a hundred. There might have been justification to spare his llfe if it could have contributed to knowledge of serial killers, but in his case it's pretty clear it wouldn't have. He confessed to some of the murders in the hope of being spared the electric chair, but not many and if he knew he was going to llve in prison for the rest of his llfe he would not have continued the confessions.
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Message 2168 of 5796 (853691)
05-30-2019 7:52 PM
Reply to: Message 2167 by Faith
05-30-2019 7:22 PM


Re: Huzzah!
It always amazes me that the same people who are for killing innocent unborn babies are happy when murderers' llves are spared.
If a convicted murderer were to take up residence in a woman's uterus without her permission, I'd be in favor of removing him even if it resulted in his death.

If this was a witch hunt, it found a lot of witches. -- David Cole, writing about the Mueller investigation.

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dwise1
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Message 2169 of 5796 (853694)
05-30-2019 8:40 PM
Reply to: Message 2162 by Faith
05-30-2019 5:54 PM


Re: They *want*.Russia to hack the election
Besides, the Russian interference didn't do anything for the Trump election anyway.
Trump tweeted an admission:
quote:
Russia, Russia, Russia! That’s all you heard at the beginning of this Witch Hunt Hoax...And now Russia has disappeared because I had nothing to do with Russia helping me to get elected. It was a crime that didn’t exist. So now the Dems and their partner, the Fake News Media,.....
4:57 AM - 30 May 2019
Then within a half hour he tried to back-pedal -- Trump Tweets, and Then Retracts, Statement That Russia Helped Him Get Elected:
quote:
The president’s case for his own defense, however, was marred by his own contradictory statements on Thursday as he swung back and forth in his assessment of Russia’s actions during the 2016 presidential election.
“I had nothing to do with Russia helping me to get elected,” Mr. Trump wrote on Twitter before leaving the White House in the morning. While denying any involvement, the president’s comment was an acknowledgment that Moscow not only intervened in the campaign but also did so for the express purpose of helping elect him ” the consensus conclusion of the nation’s intelligence agencies.
But barely a half-hour later, Mr. Trump emerged on the South Lawn and took it back. “No, Russia did not help me get elected,” he told reporters as he prepared to depart for Colorado Springs. “You know who got me elected? I got me elected. Russia didn’t help me at all. Russia, if anything, I think, helped the other side.”
In fact, even President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia has said publicly that he favored Mr. Trump over Hillary Clinton in 2016, although he has denied orchestrating an influence campaign on behalf of the Republican candidate.
Plus, the Mueller Report did indeed find Russian interference in the 2016 election; Mueller issued many indictments for that. Even Trump admitted it in that tweet. It happened, no matter what the Fake News Network and Fakes & Friends tell you.
As for Mitch McConnell, he's back in the arch-obstructionist role that he had played for the past decade. Republicans keep trying to mischaracterize the Democratic House as not being able to do its legislative job, but the fact is that the House has passed several good bills which McConnell arbitrarily refuses to even allow the Senate to look at. That includes a voting-rights bill and another bill which explicitly requires a campaign to report to the FBI contacts from a foreign government -- you know, exactly what Trump's campaign failed to do in their hundred or so instances of collusion with Russia listed in the Mueller Report.
This particular obstruction of McConnell, blocking bills to protect our elections from foreign interference, could be for a few different reasons. The GOP already realizes that it has to lie, cheat, and steal in order to win elections and that really shows. One reason could be that the GOP realizes that it has to depend on that foreign interference, so they don't want to hamper that interference. Those bills might also block their own domestic election fraud efforts, so they cannot let that happen. Remember McConnell's reaction to HR 1, which would ensure that citizens with the right to vote could exercise that right: "This is a power grab!" Which it would appear to be for the GOP whose own hold on power depends almost entirely on keeping citizens from voting.
Of course, casting these pearls before you will not benefit you at all -- you are beyond redemption. Rather they are for everyone else.

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Message 2170 of 5796 (853695)
05-30-2019 8:42 PM
Reply to: Message 2165 by JonF
05-30-2019 6:30 PM


Trump supporter admits she was ”surprised’ to learn Mueller’s report didn’t actually exonerate the president
Does she remind you of anyone we know?
Edited by dwise1, : corrected dBCodes

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Message 2171 of 5796 (853696)
05-30-2019 9:41 PM
Reply to: Message 2170 by dwise1
05-30-2019 8:42 PM


Oh, certainly not.

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JonF
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Message 2172 of 5796 (853697)
05-30-2019 9:47 PM


Citizenship question on the Census.
A stroke of luck! ACLU Flags For SCOTUS New Evidence Issue In Census Case
The real reason for wanting to add a citizenship question to the Census is to increase the effectiveness of anti-liberal gerrymandering.
quote:
The challengers in the census citizenship case informed the Supreme Court on Thursday of an evidence issue ” in the form of new documents suggesting the question was added to boost GOP electoral advantages ” being dealt with currently at the trial court level.
“The new evidence reveals that Dr. Thomas Hofeller, a longtime redistricting specialist, played a significant role in orchestrating the addition of the citizenship question to the 2020 Decennial Census in order to create a structural electoral advantage for, in his own words, ”Republicans and Non-Hispanic Whites,’ and that Petitioners obscured his role through affirmative misrepresentations,” the letter from the challengers in the case said....
According to the documents released Thursday, Hofeller ” a go-to gerrymandering expert for the GOP who died last August ” was commissioned in 2015 by a Republican mega-donor to do a study on the effect of excluding noncitizens from redistricting. The study, which was never made public, concluded that such a redistricting overhaul “would be advantageous to Republicans and Non-Hispanic
Whites” and “would clearly be a disadvantage for the Democrats,” using the Texas legislature as a case study. It warned, however, that such an overhaul would be “unworkable” without a citizenship question being added to the census.
That study and other key Hofeller documents were only obtained by the challengers because his estranged daughter found his back-up hard drives while going through his belongings after his death.

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Message 2173 of 5796 (853698)
05-30-2019 10:00 PM
Reply to: Message 2172 by JonF
05-30-2019 9:47 PM


Re: Citizenship question on the Census.
The New York Times also reported this:
Deceased G.O.P. Strategist’s Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question
Her father, [Ms. Hofeller] said, was a brilliant cartographer who was deeply committed to traditional conservative principles like free will and limited government. As a child, she said, she was schooled in those same principles, but every successive gerrymandered map he created only solidified her conviction that he had abandoned them in a quest to entrench his party in permanent control.

If this was a witch hunt, it found a lot of witches. -- David Cole, writing about the Mueller investigation.

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Message 2174 of 5796 (853752)
05-31-2019 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 2167 by Faith
05-30-2019 7:22 PM


Re: Huzzah!
Faith writes:
It always amazes me that the same people who are for killing innocent unborn babies are happy when murderers' llves are spared.
One of the major reasons for opposing the death penalty is that innocent people are sometimes convicted. (On the off-chance that you're interested in facts, try googling David Milgaard, Donald Marshall and Guy Paul Morin.)

Izquierdo.

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Message 2175 of 5796 (853755)
05-31-2019 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 2174 by ringo
05-31-2019 12:33 PM


Re: Huzzah!
Faith's response to this(if there is one) will certainly expose the morality she possesses. Though we have seen plenty examples so far.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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