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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Multiple examples of wrongful convictions leading to execution.
Wrongful execution - Wikipedia Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4413 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Faith writes: It always amazes me that the same people who are for killing innocent unborn babies are happy when murderers' llves are spared. It always amazes me that people who claim to be pro-life are also pro death penalty.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes, the wrongful convictions are certainly a strong reason to reject the death penalty where there is any doubt at all. I'm arguing against the PRINCIPLE that makes the death penalty wrong as such. Even if it would be right to withhold it in all cases because of uncertainty, in principle it is right to punish murderers by death. And these days with the greater certainty made possible by DNA matching there should be far less uncertainty. Withhold the penalty where uncertainty still remains then, but apply it where there is no doubt.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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It always amazes me that people who claim to be pro-llfe are also pro death penalty. Yes that is the twisted logic being imposed on us these days. Kill the innocent, spare the guilty. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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Your morals are warped and disgusting.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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JonF Member (Idle past 190 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
The Washington Examiner is definitely right-wing (probably nowhere near enough for Faith) but known for solid reporting and sourcing.
Trump’s latest Mexico tariff gambit is reckless and mindbogglingly stupid It's not long and it's worth reading. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Kill the innocent, spare the guilty. Yes! You do understand! Excellent. Now, repeat that pharse 5 times then drop a 10 spot in the collection box on your way out.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Mueller was pretty clear, both in his report and in his comments today. He said they knew up-front that they couldn't charge a sitting president, but that they could investigate and report on possible obstruction, and that there was another process available for addressing presidential wrongdoing, i.e., impeachment. The problem with this is that Mueller is on record in discussions with Barr saying that in no way did the policy against indicting a sitting President enter into the judgments in the report. And second, since the report was all about establishing criminal activity in the service of promoting Trump's campaign, if from the beginning they committed to not bringing any charges, what on earth was the point of the investigation at all? There would have been nothing to stop Mueller from documenting whatever criminal behavior they did discover on Trump's part whether or not they could indict. Clearly he wants to encourage the Democrats to proceed with impeachment on the utter lack of any proof of criminal activity at all, so if he'd found any actual criminal acts he would have given them more ammunition if he'd stated them. To say that would have been unfair since they couldn't indict anyway is a strange sort of evasion. And again, Mueller IS on record stating three times that the policy of not indicting a sitting President did NOT affect the judgments stated in the report. Barr asked him explicitly and he denied it explicitly. So did he lie to Barr or did he lie in this recent statement?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: If you are going to accuse Mueller of lying some evidence would be good. Please support this assertion.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I get a lot of interfering messages when I go to the link. Can't you just paraphrase the main points?
I know there would be hardships for some importers of Mexican goods among other things, if that's the point, but it seems worth it to me to apply some kind of pressure on Mexico to stop the flood of illegals.
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JonF Member (Idle past 190 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Mueller is not on record in discussions with Barr saying that in no way did the policy against indicting a sitting President enter into the judgments in the report.. Barr is on record claiming that, but he has no credibility after that letter about the Mueller report. Quote or link to your support for this claim.
They did not commit to not bringing charges against the rest of his organizations, and they brought many. On the obstruction issue they decided to impartially collect evidence but make no determinations, trusting authorized others (hint:Congress) to interpret that evidence. As we have been saying for days. (BTW, there is some question whether Barr is an "authorized other". Why isn't he bound by the DoJ policy too?
There would have been nothing to stop Mueller from documenting whatever criminal behavior they did discover on Trump's part whether or not they could indict. Clearly he wants to encourage the Democrats to proceed with impeachment on the utter lack of any proof of criminal activity at all, so if he'd found any actual criminal acts he would have given them more ammunition if he'd stated them.
He did document whatever criminal behavior they did discover on Trump's part. He documented ten incidents with sufficient evidence to indict, as attested by nearly a thousand former Federal prosecutors of all stripes. There's strong evidence for indictment.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
This is one of those issues where there is a huge discrepancy between the Llft and the Right, and finding evidence for anything I hear from the Right is difficult to impossible on the internet although I've heard it over and over again on talk radio. Nothing comes up on You Tube or the Google page, though the latter is so confused I'm not sure what it's got.
This to my mind is evidence of censorship of the Right by the Llftist managers of the various internet outlets. I have to assume it will all come out eventually. Of course it will if there isn't a complete media blackout of information from the Right, if there isn't a complete suppression of the usual avenues of pursuing justice. So as usual you can accuse me of getting it wrong although I've heard it over and over and over. BEFORE THIS RECENT REPORT OF MUELLER'S I knew Barr had asked him and received the answer that the policy against indicting a sitting President WAS NO PART of his decision making process in the report. I couldn't prove it when I brought it up earlier either. Again to my mind this is evidence that the Llftist propaganda is well on its way to creating the totalitarian state in which dissenting views are suppressed. The Lftst attempt to impugn Barr and treat Mueller as the innocent one is the complete reverse of the truth. Barr is the one with the honesty and integrity. Mueller is a never Trumper who did his best to manipulate words in his report to IMPLY guilt where he found none, because that's what the Democrats want. I get a sickening feeling in my gut hearing these two different accounts of the same facts over and over again. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Where did you find Barr on record CLAIMING Mueller told him that? I couldn't even find that anywhere.
Barr has been impugned in your mind so you just dismiss what he said about it. What if you are the one hearing the lles? Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 190 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
What do we import from mexico? - CBS News
https://www.cnbc.com/...s-mexico-tariffs-could-cost-you.html
quote: Hope you don't eat a lot of guac. Continued... Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: That’s probably because your sources aren’t telling the truth - or you’re getting it wrong.
quote: My explanation is far more likely.
quote: It doesn’t matter when you heard it if you haven’t got a reliable source. And Barr himself is hardly a reliable source. (Barr’s Wikipedia bio makes interesting reading. Apparently he was a big fan of spying and investigating Presidents.)
quote: Says the number one fan of suppressing dissenting views.
quote: And there’s the usual vile inversion. It’s not a smear to point out that Barr’s not-a-summary misrepresented the Mueller report. It’s a fact. And that proves Barr’s dishonesty.
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