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PaulK
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Message 2326 of 2373 (854572)
06-10-2019 2:34 PM
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06-10-2019 2:30 PM


Faith doesn’t trust people who tell the truth. She only trusts people who say things she likes.
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Percy
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Message 2327 of 2373 (854573)
06-10-2019 2:42 PM
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06-10-2019 12:31 PM


Re: Can the right handle winning?
PaulK writes:

What flood? From what I’ve read illegal immigration through the southern border is historically low right now. It’s just Trump playing to his xenophobic (and often racist) base,

I think illegal immigration has been growing steadily this year, and has recently reached the highest levels of Trump's presidency.

--Percy


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Message 2328 of 2373 (854574)
06-10-2019 2:47 PM
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06-10-2019 2:42 PM


Re: Can the right handle winning?
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I think illegal immigration has been growing steadily this year, and has recently reached the highest levels of Trump's presidency.

But you don’t have to go back far to find higher levels still, do you?


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JonF
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Message 2329 of 2373 (854575)
06-10-2019 2:47 PM
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Re: Can the right handle winning?
There was no flood until very recently. It's increased a lot in 2019, due to many factors including fear that it's now or never.

Note that the top chart is monthly and the bottom chart is yearly. In 2019 to date the total is greater than any yearly total in the last ten years.


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Message 2330 of 2373 (854578)
06-10-2019 2:50 PM
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06-10-2019 2:34 PM


duplicate

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Faith
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Message 2331 of 2373 (854580)
06-10-2019 2:51 PM
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06-10-2019 2:34 PM


Faith doesn’t trust people who tell the truth. She only trusts people who say things she llkes.

Alinsky's Rules for Radicals perhaps? Accuse your opponent of doing what you in fact are doing.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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PaulK
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Message 2332 of 2373 (854581)
06-10-2019 2:56 PM
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06-10-2019 2:51 PM


quote:

Alinksy's Rules for Radicals perhaps? Accuse your opponent of doing what you in fact are doing.

That’s what you do. In fact you’re doing it right now.

(Indeed, i certainly don’t know Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals”. Why should I?)


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JonF
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Message 2333 of 2373 (854583)
06-10-2019 3:08 PM
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06-10-2019 1:14 PM


Re: Can the right handle winning?
What flood? From what I’ve read illegal immigration through the southern border is historically low right now. It’s just Trump playing to his xenophobic (and often racist) base,

You must be reading Fake News. Not to mention following the usual ***** slander of Trump with Cultural Marxist terminology, ***** character assassination.

Mainstream news has covered the significant increase in 2019.

NYT https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/05/us/border-crossing-increase.html

CNN 32% increase in migrants encountered or arrested at the southern border in May

WaPo
The crush of children at Arizona’s border shows a U.S. immigration system on the brink


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Message 2334 of 2373 (854586)
06-10-2019 3:19 PM
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06-10-2019 3:08 PM


Re: Can the right handle winning?
quote:

Mainstream news has covered the significant increase in 2019.

Yet the graphs show that the “11-year high” reported is less than the average under G W Bush (all monthly figures).


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Message 2335 of 2373 (854591)
06-10-2019 3:35 PM
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06-10-2019 3:19 PM


Re: Can the right handle winning?
It's not a record, but it's high.
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PaulK
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Message 2336 of 2373 (854593)
06-10-2019 3:45 PM
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06-10-2019 3:35 PM


Re: Can the right handle winning?
My point is to put it into context. While figures are high compared to the last ten years there have been much higher figures in the years before that.

The increase is greatly embarrassing to Trump, but it’s the increase rather than the headline figure that is significant at this point.


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Theodoric
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Message 2337 of 2373 (854594)
06-10-2019 3:54 PM
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06-10-2019 2:51 PM


What are the Rules for Radicals
Do you even know what the Rules for Radicals are?
Go ahead list a couple. There are 13 total.

Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Percy
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Message 2338 of 2373 (854596)
06-10-2019 5:57 PM
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06-10-2019 2:47 PM


Re: Can the right handle winning?

I was looking for this chart when I composed my previous message. I wanted to use it to illustrate that Trump's claims of a crisis on the border are untrue. Border apprehensions over the past decade have been far lower than all years prior until you get back to the early 1970's, i.e., lower than at any time over the past half century. Trump manufactured the crisis out of thin air.

Trump deals only in extremes. For him everything is either the best or the worst. Almost invariably he's making it up.

We're only running short of holding facilities because Trump is trying to end the "apprehend and release" approach. Independent of whether that's the right thing do, ending it means there will need to be greatly increased holding capacity, which Trump is loath to do.

--Percy


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Faith
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Message 2339 of 2373 (854598)
06-10-2019 6:06 PM
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06-10-2019 5:57 PM


Re: Can the right handle winning?
Funny, I've heard a lot of interviews with ICE and border patrol people over the last year or so and they are very clear that there has been a crisis for some time that they are not equipped to handle for lack of funding, thanks of course to the Democrat Congress. They say a wall would help a lot.
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Message 2340 of 2373 (854599)
06-10-2019 6:07 PM
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06-10-2019 3:54 PM


Re: What are the Rules for Radicals
List them yourself. I'm not interested in remembering such evll stuff.
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