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JonF
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Message 2341 of 2373 (854602)
06-10-2019 6:14 PM
Reply to: Message 2338 by Percy
06-10-2019 5:57 PM


Re: Can the right handle winning?
76 migrant women stuffed inside ‘dangerously overcrowded’ cell designed to hold 12 on US border


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Theodoric
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Message 2342 of 2373 (854603)
06-10-2019 6:16 PM
Reply to: Message 2340 by Faith
06-10-2019 6:07 PM


Re: What are the Rules for Radicals
There is nothing evil in them at all. Unless you have a warped sense of evil.

  1. "Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have."
  2. "Never go outside the expertise of your people."
  3. "Whenever possible go outside the expertise of the enemy."
  4. "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."
  5. "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon."
  6. "A good tactic is one your people enjoy."
  7. "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag."
  8. "Keep the pressure on."
  9. "The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself."
  10. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition."
  11. "If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside."
  12. "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative."
  13. "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."
So tell me which are evil.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 2343 of 2373 (854613)
06-10-2019 9:04 PM
Reply to: Message 2338 by Percy
06-10-2019 5:57 PM


Re: Can the right handle winning?
Remember that in the 60s and 70s all that was needed to cross the border (North or South) in either direction was to say you were a citizen of the destination, if driving produce a drivers license and respond to "Do you have anything to declare?"

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Faith
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Message 2344 of 2373 (854620)
06-10-2019 10:29 PM
Reply to: Message 2341 by JonF
06-10-2019 6:14 PM


Re: Can the right handle winning?
Well, the House won't allocate the money to expand the detention centers, what do you expect?
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AZPaul3
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Message 2345 of 2373 (854621)
06-10-2019 10:34 PM
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06-10-2019 10:29 PM


Re: Can the right handle winning?
That never stopped him from finding funding for those things he wants to do. How about doing something that needs to be done?

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Faith
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Message 2346 of 2373 (854625)
06-10-2019 11:31 PM
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06-10-2019 10:34 PM


Re: Can the right handle winning?
The border wall needs to be done. It's Congress that's making it impossible.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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PaulK
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Message 2347 of 2373 (854626)
06-10-2019 11:42 PM
Reply to: Message 2339 by Faith
06-10-2019 6:06 PM


Re: Can the right handle winning?
quote:

...thanks of course to the Democrat Congress.

You mean the Republican Congress. Prior to the last election rage Republicans had a majority in both Houses. Even now they have a majority in the Senate.


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Percy
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Message 2348 of 2373 (854634)
06-11-2019 8:03 AM
Reply to: Message 2341 by JonF
06-10-2019 6:14 PM


Re: Can the right handle winning?
A solution to the overcrowding at ICE detention facilities will require Trump and Congress to work together, which is unlikely to happen. Democrats want to rein in ICE's recent enthusiasm for arresting law-abiding illegals with deep community ties and for holding asylum applicants, but they have only blunt tools for influencing Trump, who has ultimate control over ICE. The House does have control over the number of ICE beds through funding, so that's what the House is doing by refusing to expand ICE bed funding.

But the overcrowding at ICE detention facilities is not the fault of Congress. Trump caused the overcrowding by forcing reductions on "apprehension and release." Applicants for asylum used to be released on their own recognizance after a hearing date had been set. According to ICE statistics, the vast majority of asylum applicants show up for their hearings. But now ICE is trying to hold as many asylum applicants as it can, and that's what is causing the overcrowding.

Congress does have a say on immigration, both through law and funding. If Trump wants to change the way immigration laws are enforced then he will have to work with Congress. But Trump has been reluctant to work with even a Republican Congress, which it was until January of this year when the Democrats gained control of the House. The overcrowding at ICE facilities caused by Trump policies existed long before that and could not possibly be the fault of Democrats. Even the formerly Republican House did not provide more ICE bed funding.

--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Grammar.


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JonF
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Message 2349 of 2373 (854641)
06-11-2019 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 2344 by Faith
06-10-2019 10:29 PM


Re: Can the right handle winning?
You negotiate to strike a deal. But Trump doesn't negotiate, He only knows how to bully.

What attempts has the administration made to convince the House? None.


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Chiroptera
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Message 2350 of 2373 (854643)
06-11-2019 10:02 AM
Reply to: Message 2349 by JonF
06-11-2019 9:24 AM


Re: Can the right handle winning?
Yes, "My way or the highway" is not negotiation.

Negotiation means there's something you're willing to give up in order to reach a mutually agreeable compromise.


It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Faith
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Message 2351 of 2373 (854645)
06-11-2019 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 2350 by Chiroptera
06-11-2019 10:02 AM


Re: Can the right handle winning?
Yuck, what sickening Trump bashing. If there's one thing Trump does well it's negotiating. You think Mexico would be easily bullied? Well, if they are then Trump succeeded by bullying. That's successful negotiating too, to know your target well enough to know what they'll accept.

What a bunch of sickening Trump bashing.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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JonF
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Message 2352 of 2373 (854646)
06-11-2019 10:22 AM
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06-11-2019 10:17 AM


Re: Can the right handle winning?
I see you don't believe in negotiation either.

How many deals has Trump successfully negotiated while in office? Maybe one?


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Chiroptera
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Message 2353 of 2373 (854649)
06-11-2019 11:31 AM


Republican Senate: Roadblock to good government
From Saturday's New York Times:

New Election Security Bills Face a One-Man Roadblock: Mitch McConnell

The article describes the continuing vulernability of US elections to foreign interference, the (Democratic) House's attempts to pass legislation to remedy this, and the (Republican) Senate's utter lack of action to deal with the issue.

Some Senate Republicans would like to take up this issue, and there is bipartisan support in the Senate for some legislation:

The bills include a Democratic measure that would send more than $1 billion to state and local governments to tighten election security, but would also demand a national strategy to protect American democratic institutions against cyberattacks and require that states spend federal funds only on federally certified “election infrastructure vendors.” A bipartisan measure in both chambers would require internet companies like Facebook to disclose the purchasers of political ads.

Another bipartisan Senate proposal would codify cyberinformation-sharing initiatives between federal intelligence services and state election officials, speed up the granting of security clearances to state officials and provide federal incentives for states to adopt paper ballots.

The problem is Majority Leader Mitch McConnell's intransigence on refusing to deal with this issue. Given the Republicans' alleged concern over election security, why would McConnell not want to allow legislation to be enacted? Because he's a complete fuck, but you already knew that. More detailed:

Mr. McConnell has long been an implacable foe of legislation that mandates disclosure or limits on political donors. Critics charge that he may have another reason to stay on the sidelines: not wanting to enrage President Trump, who views almost any talk of Russia’s success as questioning the legitimacy of his 2016 victory.

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This isn't limited to just election security, though. Friday's New York Times describes how little is being done in the Senate at all.

Tariff Threats Aside, the Senate Is Where Action Goes to Die

Evidently McConnell is less interested in governing than in stuffing the courts with political hacks.

Edited by Chiroptera, : Typos. Writing-to-text isn't perfect.


It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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PaulK
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Message 2354 of 2373 (854650)
06-11-2019 11:41 AM
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06-11-2019 11:31 AM


Re: Republican Senate: Roadblock to good government
In related news a security researcher discovered that North Carolina’s board of Election placed sensitive data into Amazon’s cloud - and left it publicly visible on the internet. This is not even a default setting - someone had to grant access to “everyone”. At best this is a hideous mistake which should never have been made.

Twitter thread


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Chiroptera
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Message 2355 of 2373 (854652)
06-11-2019 11:45 AM
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06-11-2019 11:41 AM


Re: Republican Senate: Roadblock to good government
But... but... HILLARY'S EMAILS!

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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