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Faith
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Message 2416 of 2475 (857658)
07-10-2019 2:02 AM
Reply to: Message 2413 by PaulK
07-09-2019 11:52 PM


Re: Seth Rich BS exposed.
I haven't listened to Alex Jones in a long time. I liked David Knight who was a commentator there but then he had a heart attack and I keep forgetting to see if he's back.
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Hyroglyphx
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Message 2417 of 2475 (857659)
07-10-2019 2:03 AM
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07-09-2019 1:59 PM


Re: Seth Rich BS exposed.
In the summer of 2016, Russian intelligence agents secretly planted a fake report claiming that Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich was gunned down by a squad of assassins working for Hillary Clinton, giving rise to a notorious conspiracy theory that captivated conservative activists and was later promoted from inside President Trump’s White House, a Yahoo News investigation has found.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least. The KGB and now SVR have been experts in misinformation/propaganda campaigns for many, many decades. Obviously the point is de-stablization. They love the chaos it produces and work towards exacerbating and exploiting racial tensions, left vs right dichotomies, invented US government conspiracies... anything that will bring distrust towards the government and division among the people.

I can't even be mad at them for it because the scale is so impressively vast and the ingenuity so clever.... diabolical, but clever.

Putin has some brass balls. He openly and brazenly assassinates people in his own country, people in other countries, and wants everyone to know he's responsible (fear tactic) but knows that all the speculation in the world doesn't amount to actual proof (plausible deniability). He wants you to know he did it... he just doesn't want you to be able to prove it. He loves the election hacking scandal. His stock goes up with it, not down.

As a collective nation, they will do anything to enhance the Russian stature in the eyes of the world while simultaneously diminishing NATO. Even something like sporting events is important enough to tamper with the ENTIRE Russian Olympic team in every single event (Icarus).

Trump is so ill-equipped to handle someone of his caliber. He just bats him around like a mouse.

Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.


"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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PaulK
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Message 2418 of 2475 (857661)
07-10-2019 2:08 AM
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07-10-2019 2:02 AM


Re: Seth Rich BS exposed.
You are forgetting that this is something that happened a few years back. It started in 2016. Hannity was plugging it in 2017.
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Faith
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Message 2419 of 2475 (857662)
07-10-2019 2:11 AM
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07-10-2019 2:08 AM


Re: Seth Rich BS exposed.
I didn't start listening to conservative radio until the Midterm elections last Fall.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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PaulK
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Message 2420 of 2475 (857663)
07-10-2019 3:09 AM
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07-10-2019 2:11 AM


Re: Seth Rich BS exposed.
Neither Hannity nor Alex Jones are “conservative radio”, so I don’t see the relevance.
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Theodoric
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Message 2421 of 2475 (857667)
07-10-2019 9:00 AM
Reply to: Message 2414 by Hyroglyphx
07-10-2019 1:48 AM


Re: Anglagard's wonderfully fair and peaceable reaching out to evangelicals
Cosby had at least 60 accusers. A court of law found him guilty. Not sure what point you are trying to make.
https://www.usatoday.com/...sby-full-list-accusers/555144002

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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DrJones*
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Message 2422 of 2475 (857675)
07-10-2019 9:52 AM
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07-10-2019 1:48 AM


Re: Anglagard's wonderfully fair and peaceable reaching out to evangelicals
I'm not defending Clinton, just correcting Faith's falsehood. If he's guilty of the accusation he should be punished accordingly. It's hypocritical of Faith to whatabout Clinton when dismissing the accusations against Trump as allegations and rumors.
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Hyroglyphx
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Message 2423 of 2475 (857683)
07-10-2019 12:19 PM
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07-10-2019 9:52 AM


Re: Anglagard's wonderfully fair and peaceable reaching out to evangelicals
I'm not defending Clinton, just correcting Faith's falsehood. If he's guilty of the accusation he should be punished accordingly. It's hypocritical of Faith to whatabout Clinton when dismissing the accusations against Trump as allegations and rumors.

I won't argue that... but I will argue that it is ten times more hypocritical for people to bemoan the tragedy of saying "grab 'em by the pussy" when compared to a man that is a known and verifiable philanderer and who has allegations of sexual improprieties stretching back decades at different times with multiple accusers... and somehow he gets a pass. You say he doesn't, but we all know good and fucking well that he does. Every one of those stories was buried because Bill is your guy!

Conversely, anyone who thinks that Trump hasn't strayed from his marital vows is just stupid and blissfully ignorant. To defend somebody as transparent as Trump is a fool's errand... he'll let you down every time... must be exhausting being Sarah Huckabee. Why bother?

But if liberal ideology is going to stand up to scrutiny, where it pushes movements like MeToo (carte blanche believe accusers without an investigatory process, and the insinuation that to launch an investigation is part and parcel a sexist agenda) then it has to also deal with the fact that Bill Clinton, a liberal figurehead, is therefore necessarily guilty of every single allegation on that account alone by their own retarded system of beliefs.

The Left is eating itself... and I'm grabbing my popcorn.

Edited by Hyroglyphx, : Typos galore


"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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JonF
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Message 2424 of 2475 (857684)
07-10-2019 12:50 PM
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07-10-2019 12:19 PM


Re: Anglagard's wonderfully fair and peaceable reaching out to evangelicals
Who said believe accusers without any investagory process?
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Theodoric
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Message 2425 of 2475 (857689)
07-10-2019 1:53 PM
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07-10-2019 12:19 PM


Bill is no liberal figurehead
One thing the right cannot seem to understand is that on the left there are no sacred cows. The Clintons are not worshipped untouchables. If a credible accusation arose against Bill Clinton the left would let the process lead wherever it does. The Clintons are the most investigated couple in history. If there was there there then Ken Starr would have pursued it.
Bill played a price for the Lewinsky affair. Republican investigators found no credible evidence that he committed rape. If they had they would have pursued. I do not know if he did or not, but there was no credible evidence.
Bill Clinton does not represent, speak for or hold some place dear in the heart of the vast majority on the left. He was and is a corporatist Democratic politician. He is an excellent explainer. If he goes down for something he goes down and the progressive left will not bat an eye.
The left is not eating their own. We are holding everyone accountable for their actions.

Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Hyroglyphx
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Message 2426 of 2475 (857707)
07-10-2019 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 2424 by JonF
07-10-2019 12:50 PM


Re: Anglagard's wonderfully fair and peaceable reaching out to evangelicals
Who said believe accusers without any investagory process?

The MeToo movement. You're supposed to just believe the accusation and if you don't, well, then you're just a sexist pig.

Its a shame because sexual assault and sexual harassment does deserve a platform... but not at the cost of a movement's own credibility.


"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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jar
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Message 2427 of 2475 (857708)
07-10-2019 4:38 PM
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07-10-2019 4:29 PM


Re: Anglagard's wonderfully fair and peaceable reaching out to evangelicals
Please provide the evidence that the #METOO movement says you should simply just believe the accusation and if you don't, well, then you're just a sexist pig.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 2428 of 2475 (857710)
07-10-2019 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 2425 by Theodoric
07-10-2019 1:53 PM


Re: Bill is no liberal figurehead
One thing the right cannot seem to understand is that on the left there are no sacred cows.

All there is are sacred cows amongst the Left. Although one's stature as a sacred cow is tenuous at best, as anyone can be cast out within a moments notice for not conforming to the religion in perfect harmony with all of the liberal talking points.

The Clintons are not worshipped untouchables.

They are untouchables. They are the teflon don's of politics. Doesn't matter how many confirmed scandals, they'll never see a single day behind bars. Doesn't matter if you have classified material on open servers, doesn't matter if you commit aggravated perjury. Totally above the law.

If a credible accusation arose against Bill Clinton the left would let the process lead wherever it does.

That's interesting, because as I recall the deniers first claimed that he did nothing wrong with Monica until he finally admitted it under the weight of evidence. Then they defended him against perjury.

Bill played a price for the Lewinsky affair.

Oh, yeah, poor guy... million dollar book deals and 500K to talk for an hour. Yeah, the dude is slumming it.

Bill Clinton does not represent, speak for or hold some place dear in the heart of the vast majority on the left. He was and is a corporatist Democratic politician.

Right, which explains why the Clinton machine and the DNC did a hack job on Bernie Sanders. And then you continue to tell me the left is not eating its own?

Its become an Olympic event of moral outrage where the winner is the most oppressed.


"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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JonF
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Message 2429 of 2475 (857713)
07-10-2019 4:55 PM
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07-10-2019 4:29 PM


Re: Anglagard's wonderfully fair and peaceable reaching out to evangelicals
Exactly what did the MeToo movement say?

I assume you know supporting your claim requires evidence, such as documents or quotes from a spokesperson. Do you have such?


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JonF
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Message 2430 of 2475 (857714)
07-10-2019 5:13 PM
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07-10-2019 4:42 PM


Re: Bill is no liberal figurehead
Doesn't matter if you have classified material on open servers, doesn't matter if you commit aggravated perjury.

Oh those matter. (Actually, mishandling classified information is a crime only if you can prove intent to mishandle. No sane prosecutor would try to prove intent with no evidence.) But the aggravated perjury intrigues me. Google shows nothing. What is the charge and what evidence do you have for it?

18 U.S.C. § 798 - U.S. Code - Unannotated Title 18. Crimes and Criminal Procedure § 798. Disclosure of classified information

quote:
(a)  Whoever knowingly and willfully communicates, furnishes, transmits, or otherwise makes available to an unauthorized person, or publishes, or uses in any manner prejudicial to the safety or interest of the United States or for the benefit of any foreign government to the detriment of the United States any classified information--

(1)  concerning the nature, preparation, or use of any code, cipher, or cryptographic system of the United States or any foreign government;  or

(2)  concerning the design, construction, use, maintenance, or repair of any device, apparatus, or appliance used or prepared or planned for use by the United States or any foreign government for cryptographic or communication intelligence purposes;  or

(3)  concerning the communication intelligence activities of the United States or any foreign government;  or

(4)  obtained by the processes of communication intelligence from the communications of any foreign government, knowing the same to have been obtained by such processes--

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

(b)  As used in subsection (a) of this section--

The term “classified information” means information which, at the time of a violation of this section, is, for reasons of national security, specifically designated by a United States Government Agency for limited or restricted dissemination or distribution;



Notice the first phrase? Oh, did you notice that information classified after she had it doesn't count?

(The server wasn't open. It was supplied by a commercial service. Those guys don't do open servers, if only to protect their internal networks.)

There's no evidence the server was ever hacked.)


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