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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
So I guess I'm just supposed to accept that as fact, hm? I wouldn't think so, no.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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All that is probably because of the failure of Congress to appropriate the necessary funds to improve facilities. Why isn't that mentioned? These are prisons for profit. You know, the kind of travesty that the Obama administration tried to get rid of, but Trump brought back with a vengence. They are being paid more than $700 per day per child. Private enterprise who's getting paid no matter what (even though it violates Trump's Prime Directive of never paying his bills). Yet giving each child a toothbrush or decent meals each day is far too much to expect of these prison capitalists who are too busy enriching themselves through human misery (rake in obscene amounts of profit or provide actual essential services? Easy choice: profits, profits above all). BTW, US citizens have been caught up in these raids. There's the case I heard of on the radio (sorry, when I'm driving I can't write down names) of a young US citizen in Texas carrying with him all the documentation he should have ever needed to prove his citizenship (something that brown people in Texas routinely have to do in response to Trump's abuse of ICE), yet he still ended up in ICE custody for months. Just trying to communicate with the outside world was virtually impossible. He was a skinny kid to begin with, yet he still managed to lose 28 pounds while in custody.
Also, there is no mention of the fact that there are organizations putting together these gigantic caravans to come here and overwhelm our facilities, and they must have lots of money for that purpose since they have to sustain the people on the trek here. Such as who. Who are these mysterious organizations? And just who are funding them? The "Jews wanting to replace us"? Walk a mile in their shoes (Wow! What a novel and revolutionary idea for a Christian to even begin to consider!). You need to flee your own home country because of the intolerable level of violence that virtually guarantees the deaths of your children (BTW, since you obviously don't understand such human constructs, nothing surpasses a parent's concern for the welfare of his/her child) and the inability to make a living (I've been hearing reports of crop failures due to climate change causing food shortages). Trekking that far (far more than a thousand miles) by foot is extremely dangerous when done alone, where you find yourself and your children at the mercy of all kinds of thugs and far worse. What is the solution? Safety in numbers; make the journey with others. Around some kind of starting area, gather with others thinking the same thing as you and you travel together as a group, everybody looking out for each other. Why would any of them seek to travel in a large group? Are you really unable to answer that question (knowing that your right-wingnut commentators upon whom you depend of all your thinking would never have discussed the question themselves)? You say there are organizations putting all that together? Who are they? Name them! Are they supposed to be the unnamed Jews whom the neo-Nazis accuse of wanting to replace us? Or are they just shadows that your right-wingnut handlers are scaring you with? Or both?
And I keep hearing how conditions under Obama were just as bad. Why isn't that mentioned? Yes, Obama did deport a lot of people. Throughout the US justice system, when a parent is jailed and there is no relative to take the child in, that child goes to Child and family services, not into a lockup of his own. Plus, that child is tracked so that reuniting that child with the parent is still possible.
This information is presented as simple fact but there are facts behind the facts that aren't getting included, which of course makes it look like Trump and his people are evil, that's the whole point, and of course to railroad the nation into accepting a political position most oppose. ... And I keep hearing how conditions under Obama were just as bad. Why isn't that mentioned? Oh never mind I know why. Well, what Trump has been doing is evil. There are two federal statutes governing illegal entry into this country: the first time is a misdemeanor and the subsequent times are a felony. You normally don't jail somebody for a misdemeanor, but the Trump Administration (under the guidance of resident anti-immigrant white-supremacist Stephen Miller) has made that misdemeanor subject to incarceration and hence to separating children from their families. That is a Trump move. As I learned in the military, every evolution requires planning -- from Senior Chief Malcolm Nance we get Nance's Law: "Coincidence takes a lot of planning." Under Trump, there was no plan in place for eventually reuniting the families they were separating. None whatsoever. Again, having been military for so long (35 years), my mind boggles at the sheer level of incompetence and lack of any kind of planning displayed by the Trump Administration here. Surely there must have been some veterans in their ranks who had some clue as to how to conduct this fuster-cluck Trump evolution in an even half-way proper manner. Sadly not, which given the qualities that veterans bring to their civilian jobs, could only have been because they were overridden by their superiors who were busy sucking up to the Trump Administration (the brown nose knows). So then, what were the actual Obama conditions? What are the actual Trump conditions? Why don't you ever hear them mentioned? Oh never mind I know why. If your right wingnut handlers ever did that, then you might actually start to think and they cannot allow that to ever happen.
Everything about this is political but it's not treated as political, it's just supposed to be taken it as simple fact, no context, no explanation. Yet again what you had run away from earlier. Your opinions are formed by listening to your right-wingnut propagandists. Our opinions are formed not only from what our commentators say, but also what the actual facts are. You see (or should see), our commentators also display the simple direct facts in their presentations. Do yours? I didn't think so.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I have no reason to take your account as the truth, you know -- it doesn't read like anything more than gossipy opinion really. Why you believe it I don't even know, but it does seem that as long as it vilifies Trump your side is happy.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
So are the healthcare and education benefits real or not?
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JonF Member (Idle past 190 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
So we've established that Faith is in favor of the horrendous treatment of migrants at the border. The cruelty is the point, and she loves cruelty.
So why does Faith think Obama did bad things? Because he wasn't barbaric enough? Again, from an official US Government report:
There are no human rights abuses at our border according to many who have visited there to find out.
No, Faith, those photos and the report and the testimony of Border Patrol agents say there are appalling human rights abuses at our border. And you want more.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Your mantra continues to be.
"Do not confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up." Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Sometimes he goes on a rant that's little more than jealousy of other talk show hosts, or maybe paranoia, and I end up turning him off, but when he does address issues he's often sharper than most. Last night he wasn't into politics, though, he was celebrating the fiftieth anniversary of the first day of the Woodstock festival. I was around then too and like him I also didn't make it to Woodstock. One of my daughter's gang of friends was conceived at Woodstock, never knew her father, in fact her mother didn't know her father either, it was just one of those Woodstock encounters. On a blanket presumably in the dark but that part I don't know, in those days the dark wasn't a necessity even among thousands of people.
Savage credits the freedoms of those years with liberating him from ending up in a meaningless life as a dentist or something like that. In his case it wasn't sexual freedom since he'd already met his wife, to whom he is still married, but freedom to be whatever you want to be. I can't say it was that for me but even I remember those years with a certain weird sort of nostalgia. He named the names I remember well myself, Leary and all those guys for instance, the Jefferson Airplane for instance. How there were the hippies and then there were the Marxists. Among other songs from that era he played the one about being sure when you go to San Francisco to wear flowers in your hair. That's where he lives now and instead of flowers it's excrement on the sidewalks he takes note of, and the recent memory of someone depositing same outside the window of the restaurant where he was sitting: he had to stop eating as a result of the window show. And nobody can do anything about it. It's not politically correct to object to such things, it's a "right" or a "freedom" to poop in public. It took thousands of years to develop civilization and a few moments to bring it down, while the City Council refuses to do anything to stop it. Political Correctness is a version of Marxism, not classic Marxism but maybe one of its most effective tools of destruction. Savage predicts that after Trump, whether he has one term or two, we're going to have a Communist Revolution that will plunge us into a hundred years of Dark Ages. Of course I hope he's wrong, but I have to admit there is reason to think he could be right. So there's today's reminiscence of better? worse? ...how about just "other" ...times. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 190 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
I have no reason to take your account as the truth, you know -- it doesn't read like anything more than gossipy opinion really
It reads like easily checked facts that scare the crap out of you. Obviously you're happy in your right-wing bubble of lies.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Not the slightest bit scared (couldn't you guys ever just stop pretending you can read people's minds?) Depressed perhaps that people believe such stuff and expect others to take it seriously.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
The Chinese Health and Education policies are quite real. Further, compared to some societies those policies might be considered center left with great support from the society.
Unlike the USofA the Chinese can see that a healthy educated populace is better for the long term strength of the nation. Unfortunately, they don't feel the same way about human and individual rights thus the present protests.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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JonF Member (Idle past 190 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
So you admit that you approve of the barbaric cruelty at the border.
ANd that you have no factual response to what Dwise wrote. Nobody with two brain cells to rub together takes that stuff seriously. They sure do make some serious money scaring your with that garbage. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Believe it or not there is often more than one side to any such story. You believe your version, I believe mine, until further notice, having no reason to believe otherwise yet. Wouldn't it be best to stop with the accuswations?
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JonF Member (Idle past 190 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
You have your fantasies and lies, we have facts. Those are the sides. I note you have made no attempt to counter those facts.
You really think the official government report I quoted and those pictures are faked?
A Border Patrol Agent Reveals What It’s Really Like to Guard Migrant Children quote: Wouldn't it be best for you to examine the evidence? I really think you should spend two weeks in the same clothes without bathing, eat nothing but baloney sandwiches and "sleeping" in a closet so crowded you can only stand up. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
But you have no facts or evidence for you side. Absolutely none. If you did you would post them.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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JonF Member (Idle past 190 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Well, Mike Pence said the claims are unsubstantiated and "Every family I spoke to said they were being well cared for, and Republican politicians never lie. Also "After seeing one site where almost 400 men were being held in cages in the sweltering heat, Pence acknowledged, This is tough stuff". And I was not surprised by what I saw, I knew we’d see a system that was overwhelmed.
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