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Theodoric
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Message 2596 of 5796 (861119)
08-17-2019 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 2593 by Faith
08-17-2019 12:30 PM


Re: 9th circuit stomps Border Patrol
The vast majority are not here illegally. They are attempting to apply for asylum. The government will not allow them to apply. Thus the administration is manufacturing the crisis in order to he cruel and inhumane. The people being inflicted wit the most cruelty are children. People like you disgust me.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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AZPaul3
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Message 2597 of 5796 (861121)
08-17-2019 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 2593 by Faith
08-17-2019 12:30 PM


Re: 9th circuit stomps Border Patrol
Not that they should be mistreated, but they ARE here illegally.
Whether they are here illegally of not they ARE being mistreated.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Faith 
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Message 2598 of 5796 (861123)
08-17-2019 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 2597 by AZPaul3
08-17-2019 3:05 PM


Re: 9th circuit stomps Border Patrol
The information supplied by JonF is that they were being mistreated under Obama. How do you know they are still being mistreated?

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JonF
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Message 2599 of 5796 (861124)
08-17-2019 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 2595 by Faith
08-17-2019 1:13 PM


Re: 9th circuit stomps Border Patrol
I supply the truth. Official government reports. Video of a trial. Transcripts of court findings.
I take your views into account and provide appropriate responses.
other points of view that may impinge on the facts that most interest you
Irony, thy name is Faith.
You have no facts, but reject all of them that are handed to you.
I don't call you names for failing to share my views. I call you names because you won't even look at solid factual evidence for fear you might actually brush against reality.

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Faith 
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Message 2600 of 5796 (861125)
08-17-2019 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 2596 by Theodoric
08-17-2019 2:31 PM


Re: 9th circuit stomps Border Patrol
Sure, you don't care about the laws or the wellbeing of the nation. All the dependent people the Left can figure out how to dump on us so you get to call anyone who does care about those things disgusting is what relly matters to you. Calling us names, calling Trump names. You really don't care about anything else.

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Faith 
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Message 2601 of 5796 (861126)
08-17-2019 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 2599 by JonF
08-17-2019 3:15 PM


Re: 9th circuit stomps Border Patrol
I have no obligation to do as you want, and you have no right to call me names for ANY reason.

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AZPaul3
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Message 2602 of 5796 (861127)
08-17-2019 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 2598 by Faith
08-17-2019 3:12 PM


Re: 9th circuit stomps Border Patrol
Because the media, the government's own reporting agencies and the courts say so.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Faith 
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Message 2603 of 5796 (861128)
08-17-2019 3:24 PM
Reply to: Message 2597 by AZPaul3
08-17-2019 3:05 PM


Re: 9th circuit stomps Border Patrol
Let me guess: Hong Kong wouldn't let illegal aliens even get to their border in the first place.

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Faith 
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Message 2604 of 5796 (861129)
08-17-2019 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 2602 by AZPaul3
08-17-2019 3:22 PM


Re: 9th circuit stomps Border Patrol
I wish I could trust any of those any more.

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JonF
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Message 2605 of 5796 (861130)
08-17-2019 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 2598 by Faith
08-17-2019 3:12 PM


Re: 9th circuit stomps Border Patrol
The information supplied by JonF is that they were being mistreated under Obama.
There are degrees of mistreatment. Obama did some bad stuff that is not even in the same ballpark as now.
How do you know they are still being mistreated?
Hundreds of news reports. The official Homeland Security Inspector General report which I linked to and quoted and which covered only inspections carried out in 2019. Written Testimony: "Kids in Cages: Inhumane Treatment at the Border"
Testimony of Clara Long Before the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Reform, Subcommittee on Civil Rights and Civil Liberties, July 11, 2019
describing conditions in June 2019. The ninth circuit opinion which explicitly covers 2017 to 2019.
Could you at least make a slight effort to keep up?

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JonF
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Message 2606 of 5796 (861132)
08-17-2019 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 2600 by Faith
08-17-2019 3:15 PM


Re: 9th circuit stomps Border Patrol
Sure, you don't care about the laws
You definitely don't care about the laws for brown children or free speech.

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JonF
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Message 2607 of 5796 (861133)
08-17-2019 3:35 PM
Reply to: Message 2598 by Faith
08-17-2019 3:12 PM


Re: 9th circuit stomps Border Patrol
Remember the inspector general:
quote:
In May 2019, we issued a management alert about dangerous overcrowding observed in the El Paso area during our unannounced inspections of U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) holding facilities.1 During the week of June 10, 2019, we traveled to the Rio Grande Valley in Texas and again observed serious overcrowding and prolonged detention in Border Patrol facilities requiring immediate attention. ...
During our visits to five Border Patrol facilities and two ports of entry in the Rio Grande Valley,2 we reviewed compliance with CBP’s Transport, Escort, Detention and Search (TEDS) standards, which govern CBP’s interaction with detained individuals,3 and observed serious overcrowding and prolonged detention of unaccompanied alien children (UACs),4 families, and single adults that require immediate attention. Specifically, Border Patrol was holding about 8,000 detainees in custody at the time of our visit, with 3,400 held longer than the 72 hours generally permitted under the TEDS standards.5 Of those 3,400 detainees, Border Patrol held 1,500 for more than 10 days. ...
In addition to holding roughly 30 percent of minor detainees for longer than 72 hours, several Rio Grande Valley facilities struggled to meet other TEDS standards for UACs and families. For example, children at three of the five Border Patrol facilities we visited had no access to showers, despite the TEDS standards requiring that reasonable efforts be made to provide showers to children approaching 48 hours in detention.8 At these facilities, children had limited access to a change of clothes; Border Patrol had few spare clothes and no laundry facilities. While all facilities had infant formula, diapers, baby wipes, and juice and snacks for children, we observed that two facilities had not provided children access to hot meals as is required by the TEDS standards9 until the week we arrived.10 Instead, the children were fed sandwiches and snacks for their meals. Additionally, while Border Patrol tried to provide the least restrictive setting available for children (e.g., by leaving holding room doors open), the limited space for medical isolation resulted in some UACs and families being held in closed cells.
Figure 1. Overcrowding of families observed by OIG on June 10, 2019, at Border Patrol’s McAllen, TX, Station. Source: OIG
Figure 2. Overcrowding of families observed by OIG on June 11, 2019, at Border Patrol’s McAllen, TX, Centralized Processing Center. Source: OIG
Figure 3. Overcrowding of families observed by OIG on June 11, 2019, at Border Patrol’s Weslaco, TX, Station. Source: OIG
In the Border Patrol facilities we visited, we also observed serious overcrowding and prolonged detention among adult detainees. TEDS provides that under no circumstances should the maximum [cell] occupancy rate, as set by the fire marshal, be exceeded.11 However, at one facility, some single adults were held in standing room only conditions for a week and at another, some single adults were held more than a month in overcrowded cells (see figures 4 and 5).
Figure 5. Fifty-one adult females held in a cell designated for male juveniles with a capacity for 40 (left), and 71 adult males held in a cell designated for adult females with a capacity for 41 (right), observed by OIG on June 12, 2019, at Border Patrol’s Fort Brown Station. Source: OIG
In these overcrowded conditions, CBP was unable to meet TEDS standards. For example, although TEDS standards require CBP to make a reasonable effort to provide a shower for adults after 72 hours,12 most single adults had not had a shower in CBP custody despite several being held for as long as a month. At some facilities, Border Patrol was giving detainees wet-wipes to maintain personal hygiene. Most single adult detainees were wearing the clothes they arrived in days, weeks, and even up to a month prior. Further, although TEDS standards require agents to remain cognizant of detainees’ religious and other dietary restrictions,13 many single adults had been receiving only bologna sandwiches. Some detainees on this diet were becoming constipated and required medical attention.14
That's official Trump administration documentation.
Note the dates on the photos.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 2608 of 5796 (861134)
08-17-2019 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 2601 by Faith
08-17-2019 3:16 PM


Re: 9th circuit stomps Border Patrol
You have no obligation to examine evidence or seek truth. You unquestioningly swallow the lies they feed you.
I'll call 'em as I sees' em.

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Faith 
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Message 2609 of 5796 (861135)
08-17-2019 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 2608 by JonF
08-17-2019 3:38 PM


Re: 9th circuit stomps Border Patrol
never mind.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 2610 of 5796 (861136)
08-17-2019 6:09 PM
Reply to: Message 2607 by JonF
08-17-2019 3:35 PM


Bug the authorities, not me
Tell you what. Write to Trump and your representatives about the conditions in the McAllen facility, as I proposed doing concerning Hong Kong. Instead of battering me about these things, let authorities know who might have some ability to deal with them. Get others to join you. Nobody was much interested in my proposal but at EvC you should have more success with this one. I suspect of course you'd rather hate me instead.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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