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jar
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Message 2656 of 5796 (861268)
08-19-2019 8:16 AM
Reply to: Message 2653 by Hyroglyphx
08-18-2019 11:20 PM


Re: The cause it that the Trump Administration wants to cause maximum pain and suffering
How would you be able to determine any of that without stopping and temporarily detaining them?
And no one is saying people coming into the country should not be temporarily detain, but it can be done on a humane productive way.
If we're going to be consistent the same should apply with anyone flying into the United States. People aren't screened for contagious diseases upon disembarking from planes. But it does require a passport and a visa to know who is entering and leaving the U.S.
And one of the conditions for a visa is that the person has been inoculated for a variety of contagious diseases. So we do apply the same standards. We require every one applying for a visa to provide medical records including a chest xray, current checkup, tests for TB and Syphilis and record of inoculations. They are also at least temporarily detained while everything is checked.
Also, if the allegations of maltreatment are even half as bad as the media coverage states, I'm all for reformation of that immediately.
Conditions are actually worse than reported. As I posted above, the US Government tries to make it as cruel and horrific as possible. For example even when people are released it is done in as cruel a method as possible. There is no coordination with those NGOs trying to help, instead the people are all herded onto buses and dumped as a mass without warning outside the local bus station.

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Theodoric
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Message 2657 of 5796 (861282)
08-19-2019 10:06 AM
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08-19-2019 12:26 AM


Re: The cause it that the Trump Administration wants to cause maximum pain and suffering
You really should understand the subject matter before you speak.
quote:
To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum status regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status.
Obtaining Asylum in the United States | USCIS
That would be the U.S. Government saying that.
There is no way to apply for asylum abroad. That is not how it works.
PolitiFact | No, immigrants cannot apply for asylum at U.S. embassies or consulates abroad
quote:
A U.S. consulate or embassy is clearly outside the U.S., so you can’t apply for asylum at a U.S. consulate or embassy," said Stephen H. Legomsky, an emeritus professor at the Washington University School of Law in St. Louis who served as chief counsel of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services from 2011 to 2013.
You should really research those alt-right talking points before you post them.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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JonF
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Message 2658 of 5796 (861287)
08-19-2019 11:36 AM
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08-19-2019 12:26 AM


Re: The cause it that the Trump Administration wants to cause maximum pain and suffering
Seeking asylum is going to an embassy and filling out paperwork, not crossing the border undetected and living in hiding.
Nope. Where did you get such an incredibly wrong idea?
One cannot apply for asylum at a US Embassy. One may apply for asylum at a legal port of entry or anywhere inside the US (regardless of whether one is here legally or not).
8 U.S. Code 1158. Asylum
quote:
Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.

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JonF
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Message 2659 of 5796 (861296)
08-19-2019 2:27 PM


Fox lies by omission about antifa
Fox News Airs Selectively Edited Clip to Blame Antifa For Hammer Fight With Proud Boys
quote:
Fox & Friends aired a selectively edited video of violent street clashes in Portland to accuse anti-fascist protesters of trying to hit people with hammers. The weapon in question, as revealed by a longer video, was initially brought to the protest and used by a far-right demonstrator against Antifa.
I disapprove of antifa's tactics. I am also on the side of truth.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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AZPaul3
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Message 2660 of 5796 (861302)
08-19-2019 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 2659 by JonF
08-19-2019 2:27 PM


Re: Fox lies by omission about antifa
I disapprove of antifa's tactics.
What tactics are those?

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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JonF
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Message 2661 of 5796 (861304)
08-19-2019 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 2660 by AZPaul3
08-19-2019 4:20 PM


Re: Fox lies by omission about antifa
They endorse violent confrontation, insofar as antifa is a coherent organization.
Antifa - Wikipedia(United_States)
quote:
The antifa (/ntif’, ntif/)[1] movement is composed of left-wing, autonomous, militant anti-fascist[7] groups and individuals in the United States.[11] The principal feature of antifa groups is their use of direct action,[12] with conflicts occurring both online and in real life.[13] They engage in varied protest tactics, which include digital activism, property damage, physical violence, and harassment against those whom they identify as fascist, racist, or on the far-right.[18]

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Message 2662 of 5796 (861310)
08-19-2019 5:34 PM
Reply to: Message 2661 by JonF
08-19-2019 4:34 PM


Re: Fox lies by omission about antifa
So they confront the fascists' on their own ground, using the fascists' own tactics?
Punch a Nazi in the nose tactics?
Would the world have better luck if we all linked arms and sang Kumbaya while the right continues to propagate the philosophy of racial and political hatred and encourages mass murders?
What is the alternative?

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Theodoric
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Message 2663 of 5796 (861311)
08-19-2019 5:51 PM
Reply to: Message 2662 by AZPaul3
08-19-2019 5:34 PM


Re: Fox lies by omission about antifa
I myself am done letting fascists hurt and kill people. Sitting back and hoping they are nice is a failed tactic. They hit me or anyone else I hit back.
Rise up.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 2664 of 5796 (861313)
08-19-2019 6:04 PM


Planned Parenthood Refuses Federal Funds over Abortion Restrictions
In the news today, this is from the NYT: Planned Parenthood Refuses Federal Funds Over Abortion Restrictions
I have just donated to Planned Parenthood: Donate to Planned Parenthood
--Percy

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Message 2665 of 5796 (861316)
08-19-2019 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 2664 by Percy
08-19-2019 6:04 PM


Re: Planned Parenthood Refuses Federal Funds over Abortion Restrictions
That's a great solution. The government shouldn't be funding abortions with money paid in by people who object to abortion as killing an innocent human being, but citizens should be free to donate to such killings to their heart's content.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 2666 of 5796 (861317)
08-19-2019 7:32 PM
Reply to: Message 2665 by Faith
08-19-2019 6:35 PM


Re: Planned Parenthood Refuses Federal Funds over Abortion Restrictions
Faith, are you totally ignorant of the fact that the government is already not paying for abortions. Planned Parenthood is objecting to the fact that they aren't even allowed to tell patients about where to get an abortion (non government paid) if they take any federal money. Please educate yourself about his and pretty much everything else.

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Message 2667 of 5796 (861318)
08-19-2019 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 2665 by Faith
08-19-2019 6:35 PM


Re: Planned Parenthood Refuses Federal Funds over Abortion Restrictions
That's a great solution. The government shouldn't be funding abortions with money paid in by people who object to abortion as killing an innocent human being, but citizens should be free to donate to such killings to their heart's content.
Should that same reasoning apply to funding the U.S. military/industrial complex?
Iran shot down a $200M drone. Apparently that was a spy drone, not a weaponized drone, but isn't there a better way to spend $200M?
I object to the government funding so many of these ultra-expensive military toys.
Moose

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"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith
"Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien
"Politics is not the art of the possible. It consists in choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable." - John Kenneth Galbraith
It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman (as stolen from Chiroptera's signature)
"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose

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Message 2668 of 5796 (861319)
08-19-2019 7:56 PM
Reply to: Message 2667 by Minnemooseus
08-19-2019 7:49 PM


Re: Planned Parenthood Refuses Federal Funds over Abortion Restrictions
Moose, I love this!
I object to Trump. Maybe we should stop funding the White House for the next couple years!

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 2669 of 5796 (861320)
08-19-2019 8:20 PM
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08-19-2019 7:49 PM


Re: Planned Parenthood Refuses Federal Funds over Abortion Restrictions
Hey, maybe I can earmark all the taxes I pay to Planned Parenthood!

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Faith 
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Message 2670 of 5796 (861325)
08-19-2019 10:58 PM
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08-19-2019 7:32 PM


Re: Planned Parenthood Refuses Federal Funds over Abortion Restrictions
So where do they get their funding for abortions? I thought they were funded by the government. I'm very happy to hear it if they are not.

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