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PaulK
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Message 2731 of 2838 (861428)
08-21-2019 1:48 AM
Reply to: Message 2716 by Faith
08-20-2019 8:47 PM


Re: The Left has to stop the false accusations
By which you mean that the Left has to stop the TRUE accusations.

Explain to me why Trump’s characterisation of Mexican immigrants as - typically - drug dealers, criminals and rapists isn’t at the least xenophobic.

Explain to me why Trump enjoys so much support among White Supremacists.

Explain to me why you are less concerned by violent Right-wing extremists than you are about violent people who oppose them.

Explain to me how Laura Ingraham’s objections to brown people moving into white areas aren’t racist (as discussed here Message 1


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AZPaul3
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Message 2732 of 2838 (861429)
08-21-2019 2:11 AM
Reply to: Message 2730 by Faith
08-21-2019 12:25 AM


Re: The Left has to stop the false accusations
I hope all can see were this is going for you, M'lady. The dog pile is in full swing and you keep sending up more dog whistles.

I'm concerned this discussion will once again be subject to outside restrictions that no one here really want to see happen.

It may be time for you, Faith, to take a break from this one and let the emotion subside.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Faith
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Message 2733 of 2838 (861430)
08-21-2019 3:16 AM
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08-21-2019 2:11 AM


Re: The Left has to stop the false accusations
Dog whistles means having an anti-Leftist opinion I assume. Fine, I'll leave.

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Faith
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Message 2734 of 2838 (861431)
08-21-2019 3:27 AM
Reply to: Message 2731 by PaulK
08-21-2019 1:48 AM


Re: The Left has to stop the false accusations
By which you mean that the Left has to stop the TRUE accusations.

I said what I mean.

Explain to me why Trump’s characterisation of Mexican immigrants as - typically - drug dealers, criminals and rapists isn’t at the least xenophobic.

Because he didn't say it was "typical," he was talking about the fact that we are getting drug dealers, criminals and rapists along with all the others. Which you'd know if you used a single brain cell to figure it out. But getting Trump is always the game played here, hang the truth.

Explain to me why Trump enjoys so much support among White Supremacists.

Because he supports the culture and they don't know the difference.

Explain to me why you are less concerned by violent Right-wing extremists than you are about violent people who oppose them.

I rarely hear about right wing extremists from normal people, they are very rare. It's only where the Left has a stake in magnifying their existence that I ever even hear about them, and considering the source I have no reason to take any of it seriously.

Explain to me how Laura Ingraham’s objections to brown people moving into white areas aren’t racist (as discussed here Message 1

I didn't hear her say it but assuming she did I'd say it is racist, but I'd prefer it if she pointed out the cultural problems rather than focusing on race because it's really the cultural problems that matter.

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Faith
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Message 2735 of 2838 (861432)
08-21-2019 3:37 AM
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08-21-2019 2:11 AM


Re: The Left has to stop the false accusations
Never mind, I'm glad if anyone is ever concerned about such things, or I should be, so thanks and I'll go away.

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PaulK
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Message 2736 of 2838 (861433)
08-21-2019 3:51 AM
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08-21-2019 3:27 AM


Re: The Left has to stop the false accusations
quote:
I said what I mean.

I guess this is another example of your redefinition of truth then.

quote:
Because he didn't say it was "typical," he was talking about the fact that we are getting drug dealers, criminals and rapists along with all the others. Which you'd know if you used a single brain cell to figure it out.

Obviously he did imply that it is typical. Getting a few bad apples among immigrants is normal, wherever they are from.

quote:
Because he supports the culture and they don't know the difference.

That’s because there isn’t a difference.

quote:
I rarely hear about right wing extremists from normal people, they are very rare. It's only where the Left has a stake in magnifying their existence that I ever even hear about them, and considering the source I have no reason to take any of it seriously.

I guess that’s because you prefer sources that support right-wing extremists. But certainly the shootings at El Paso are a clear example that you should have heard of. The Proud Boys demonstration in Portland is another recent example.

And we know that you reject sources because they tell the truth.

quote:
I didn't hear her say it but assuming she did I'd say it is racist, but I'd prefer it if she pointed out the cultural problems rather than focusing on race because it's really the cultural problems that matter.

Then it is interesting that you were defending her not long after she made those remarks.


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Faith
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Message 2737 of 2838 (861434)
08-21-2019 4:06 AM
Reply to: Message 2705 by AZPaul3
08-20-2019 7:09 PM


Re: I feel pretty, Oh, so pretty, I feel pretty and witty and bright!
OK I'll ignore the usual provocations and focus on you, how about that? You said your Santa beard is a "faux" Santa beard. Meaning what?

And the red eyes? Smoking, drinking? I know it's none of my business but you described them so it's hard to avoid asking.

Thank you for your kind attention to this matter.


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JonF
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Message 2738 of 2838 (861438)
08-21-2019 9:23 AM
Reply to: Message 2724 by Faith
08-20-2019 11:27 PM


Re: terrorist attacks
Not vague, very specific. The numbers come from the FBI.

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JonF
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Message 2739 of 2838 (861439)
08-21-2019 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 2733 by Faith
08-21-2019 3:16 AM


Re: The Left has to stop the false accusations
quote:
Dog-whistle politics is political messaging employing coded language that appears to mean one thing to the general population but has an additional, different, or more specific resonance for a targeted subgroup. The analogy is to a dog whistle, whose ultrasonic tone is heard by dogs but inaudible to humans.

For example, "welfare queen".

quote:
It’s used to imply that Black women on social programs like welfare are lazy people who don’t do anything to “help themselves.” Instead, they have children to use up government money and the tax dollars of “hard-working” (read: white) Americans to live luxuriously.

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JonF
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Message 2740 of 2838 (861440)
08-21-2019 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 2734 by Faith
08-21-2019 3:27 AM


Re: The Left has to stop the false accusations
quote:
Because he didn't say it was "typical," he was talking about the fact that we are getting drug dealers, criminals and rapists along with all the others. Which you'd know if you used a single brain cell to figure it out. But getting Trump is always the game played here, hang the truth.

Let's see what he said.

"Thank you. It’s true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting. And it only makes common sense. It only makes common sense. They’re sending us not the right people."

Clearly indicating the majority of them are criminals, at least to anyone who uses a single brain cell to figure it out.

quote:
rarely hear about right wing extremists from normal people, they are very rare.

Their body count isn't rare.

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AZPaul3
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Message 2741 of 2838 (861447)
08-21-2019 1:06 PM
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08-21-2019 4:06 AM


Re: I feel pretty, Oh, so pretty, I feel pretty and witty and bright!
"faux" Santa beard. Meaning what?

Fake Santa. I'm not the real thing.

And the red eyes? Smoking, drinking?

Uh...allergies.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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JonF
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Message 2742 of 2838 (861448)
08-21-2019 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 2724 by Faith
08-20-2019 11:27 PM


Re: terrorist attacks
That is about as vacuous and vague as it's possible to get. Who is putting up those terms, what do they mean? What incidents are being included?

Turns out the Anti-Defamation League tracks this stuff.

Right-Wing Extremism Linked to Every 2018 Extremist Murder in the U.S., ADL Finds; Right-wing extremists killed more people last year than in any year since 1995

quote:
In its annual report on extremist-related killings in the U.S., the ADL’s Center on Extremism reported that at least 50 people were killed by extremists in 2018, including the 11 individuals killed in the fatal anti-Semitic attack at the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh. The tally represents a 35 percent increase from the 37 extremist-related murders in 2017, making 2018 the fourth-deadliest year on record for domestic extremist-related killings since 1970.

Last year saw the highest percentage of right-wing extremist-related killings since 2012, the last year when all documented killings were by right-wing extremists.

...

Every perpetrator had ties to at least one right-wing extremist movement, although one had recently begun supporting Islamist extremism.


They also have a neat interactive map and list. Here's all 222 extremist (Islamist, Left-Wing, White Supremacist, right-wing anti-government, right-wing other) murders in the last ten years:


(https://www.adl.org/.../resource-knowledge-base/adl-heat-map)

The murders are listed and briefly described under the map.

Here's all 203 murders by the three flavors of right-wingers in the same time frame:


(https://www.adl.org/.../resource-knowledge-base/adl-heat-map)

Again the murders are list and briefly described under the map.

203/222 = 91%.

Don't worry, Faith, your anti-reality shield won't crack.


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Faith
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Message 2743 of 2838 (861449)
08-21-2019 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 2740 by JonF
08-21-2019 9:39 AM


Re: The Left has to stop the false accusations
Obviously he's not talking about ALL immigrants because he says we're only getting the bad ones, meaning there are good ones but we aren't getting them. Nothing to do with xenophobia.

And you say the right wing extremists' "body count isn't rare" without any explanation. What body count?


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Faith
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Message 2744 of 2838 (861450)
08-21-2019 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 2742 by JonF
08-21-2019 2:18 PM


Re: terrorist attacks
So you expect me to accept the mere labels of whether some incident is right wing or whatnot. No way to fake that, right? Enormous number of incidents, too, labeled "terrorist" yet, that somehow didn't make the news?

And PS: The ADL is ideologically leftist.

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Message 2745 of 2838 (861451)
08-21-2019 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 2743 by Faith
08-21-2019 2:20 PM


Re: The Left has to stop the false accusations
Faith writes:

Obviously he's not talking about ALL immigrants because he says we're only getting the bad ones, meaning there are good ones but we aren't getting them.


"Immigrants" means the ones we are getting.

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As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
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