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Faith
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Message 2911 of 2980 (863759)
09-30-2019 8:28 AM
Reply to: Message 2910 by Dr Adequate
09-30-2019 6:08 AM


Re: The Crime that Was Not and Yet Was
Guess what. I googled "Barr's Response to Mueller's letter" etc and got nothing but the reports on what Mueller had said, basically quoting what you said he said. SO sorry but the reality is not to be reduced to those few words of Mueller's, but of course Google wants us all to think so. There was a conversation between Barr and Mueller that isn't showing up. Maybe it's on page ten thousand but I'll have to look later. It's the Left that lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and the Left believes the lies. There was nothing wrong with Barr's summary of the main conclusions. He did not misrepresent them.

AbE a while later I googled "Barr asked Mueller if his four page summary misrepresented him and Mueller said no" and guess what? I got the SAME REFERENCES TO WHAT MUELLER SAID THAT YOU QUOTED. Nothing about what Barr said, nothing about the conversation between him and Mueller. Gosh, do you suppose Google has become a propaganda machine for the Left? Naaa

AbE: Wondering: If it did appear to be so, that Google misrepresents anything that counters the Liberal line, would any of you care?

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Message 2912 of 2980 (863762)
09-30-2019 9:01 AM
Reply to: Message 2906 by ICANT
09-30-2019 3:13 AM


Re: The Crime that Was Not and Yet Was
He turned the information over to Congress as he was charged.

He gathered the information and made no determination regarding the President. That determination can only be made through the process of Impeachment.

It really is that simple.


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Faith
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Message 2913 of 2980 (863764)
09-30-2019 9:29 AM
Reply to: Message 2910 by Dr Adequate
09-30-2019 6:08 AM


Google got it wrong so I went elsewhere
And Mueller's letter complained about how the MEDIA were reacting to Barr's report because like all the rest of the Left they had not expected Trump to be exonerated and they were beside themselves that the report exonerated him. Mueller did NOT say Barr misrepresented the report, I believe he even explicitly said he did not.. He did not, he did not he did not. He said the MEDIA were reacting in a way that bothered him. If I can find all this I will.

Faith, you goddamned liar. Here is what Mueller wrote.

"The summary letter the Department sent to Congress and released to the public late in the afternoon of March 24 did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance of this office's work and conclusions."

https://www.npr.org/...-of-trump-russia-probe-lacked-context

Not a word about the media.

You're religious. Aren't you worried that you'll end up burning in Hell while the Devil spits the word LIAR in your face for all eternity?

You should be a little more cautious about calling me a liar based on NPR or any other leftwing source, including Google. Since Google is the liar, I decided to look this up directly on a nonliberal source, Fox News, and this is what I got:

Barr on Wednesday also stressed that Mueller did not accuse him of misrepresenting his findings. He defended his actions in light of a newly released letter from the special counsel indicating Mueller had concerns Barr's summary did not fully capture the "context, nature, and substance" of his office's work.

Barr testified that during a subsequent phone call, Mueller said he was not calling his summary inaccurate but was concerned about the press reporting on it.

\“He was very clear with me that he was not suggesting we had mispresented his report,” Barr said.

Why couldn't I turn this up on a Google search? I'm sure you'll want to throw it out because it's Fox News, or even just because it's what Barr said, since the Left has been doing an effective job of smearing him, an honest man, but isn't it kind of interesting that I could find what I remembered there and Google had nothing on it?

So apparently Mueller only complained about the media's coverage to Barr in the phone call and not in his letter so I misremembered that part. Does that make me a liar?

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Message 2914 of 2980 (863770)
09-30-2019 10:26 AM
Reply to: Message 2913 by Faith
09-30-2019 9:29 AM


Re: Google got it wrong so I went elsewhere
It you type "barr mueller phone call" into Google it will find the information you're looking for.

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Faith
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Message 2915 of 2980 (863771)
09-30-2019 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 2914 by Percy
09-30-2019 10:26 AM


Re: Google got it wrong so I went elsewhere
I see, thanks. But all my efforts to get Google to turn up anything on Barr's view failed and it would only give me Mueller's statement. Nice to know if you keep working at it you may find a formula that will work in Google, but I wasn't looking for a phone call specifically so I wouldnj't have thought of it. Google used to be a lot easier to navigate. Not since Trump.

I've seen references to other search engines that are supposedly not so biased so I'll have to go to one of those. Bing wasn't mentioned.

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DrJones*
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Message 2916 of 2980 (863772)
09-30-2019 10:35 AM
Reply to: Message 2907 by ICANT
09-30-2019 3:45 AM


Re: The Crime that Was Not and Yet Was
Collusion is not a Federal crime. If you disagree present the statute that says collusion is a federal crime.

you know we're using collusion and conspiracy interchangeably here ICANT don't play coy.

So you are saying legally he is innocent. But since you have decided that evidence does not make any difference he is guilty

no I'm saying they didn't turn up enough evidence to substantiate collusion. Thankfully I'm allowed to form my own opinion on the matter, just because the jury found OJ not guilty doesn't mean I have to stop thinking he's a murderer.

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Faith
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Message 2917 of 2980 (863775)
09-30-2019 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 2916 by DrJones*
09-30-2019 10:35 AM


Re: The Crime that Was Not and Yet Was
If after three years of harassment and relentless media propaganda and promises that Trump was going to prison and all that, they "didn't turn up enough evidence" throw the damn thing out, it's worthless.

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ICANT
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Message 2918 of 2980 (863780)
09-30-2019 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 2908 by Dr Adequate
09-30-2019 5:55 AM


Re: The Crime that Was Not and Yet Was
Hi Dr.

Dr writes:

You remind us that collusion is not a crime. So obviously the fact that one is legally innocent of it doesn't mean that one is innocent of it. In the same way, Trump is not, in law, guilty of adultery. That doesn't mean he's innocent of adultery. It means that adultery isn't a crime.

Do we send people to jail for committing adultery?

As I understand our system we do not send people to jail for not breaking the law. We do send people to jail if we have enough evidence they committed an offense of breaking the law.

But if you can not present enough evidence to convict someone of breaking the law beyond a reasonable doubt they are not guilty.

Had Muller had enough evidence he would have not said he had insufficient evidence to find the President culpability?

Insufficient evidence means he could not get a conviction in a court of law.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 2919 of 2980 (863783)
09-30-2019 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 2909 by Dr Adequate
09-30-2019 5:59 AM


Re: The Crime that Was Not and Yet Was
Hi Dr.

Dr. writes:

I'm sorry, what was that, I couldn't hear you over the sound of an angry mob screaming LOCK HER UP.

You did not hear me say "LOCK HER UP".

But if I had deleted 0ver 30,000 emails from my computer after they had been Subpoenaed I would still be in jail.

Dr. writes:

No, that's a legal fiction. People aren't actually innocent until they're convicted.

The last time I checked Hitler was a German and not covered by American laws and our Constitution. The President is a citizen of the US and therefore covered under our Constitution and laws.

Therefore he is innocent until convicted in a court of law.

God Bless


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 2920 of 2980 (863788)
09-30-2019 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 2919 by ICANT
09-30-2019 11:40 AM


Re: The Crime that Was Not and Yet Was
ICANT writes:

The last time I checked Hitler was a German and not covered by American laws and our Constitution.


Better check again. The Nazis who were tried for war crimes were tried under international law, which is recognized by American law. Dr. Adequate's point was that Hitler was guilty - we all know he was guilty - even though he was never indicted, tried or convicted.

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Message 2921 of 2980 (863792)
09-30-2019 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 2912 by jar
09-30-2019 9:01 AM


Re: The Crime that Was Not and Yet Was
Hi jar,

jar writes:

He turned the information over to Congress as he was charged.

Please reference where Muller was charged to turn over anything to Congress.

Here is what Muller says:

quote:
quote:
[Muller]INTRODUCTION TO VOLUME I This report is submitted to the Attorney General pursuant to 28 C.F.R. § 600.8(c), which states that, “[a]t the conclusion of the Special Counsel’s work, he . . . shall provide the Attorney General a confidential report explaining the prosecution or declination decisions [the Special Counsel] reached.”
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

That says Muller shall provide the Attorney General a confidential report explaining the prosecution or declination decisions. It does not say anything about Muller shall provide Congress a report.

He had two choices he fulfilled #1 but did not do #2.

God Bless


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 2922 of 2980 (863794)
09-30-2019 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 2916 by DrJones*
09-30-2019 10:35 AM


Re: The Crime that Was Not and Yet Was
Hi Dr.

Dr. writes:

you know we're using collusion and conspiracy interchangeably here ICANT don't play coy.

Legal definition of Collusion: An agreement between two or more people to defraud a person of his or her rights or to obtain something that is prohibited by law.

Legal definition of Conspiracy: Conspiracy, in common law, an agreement between two or more persons to commit an unlawful act or to accomplish a lawful end by unlawful means.

Those two statements are not interchangeable.

Dr. writes:

no I'm saying they didn't turn up enough evidence to substantiate collusion.

That means they did not have enough evidence to convict the President of a crime under the judicial system in America.

Dr. writes:

Thankfully I'm allowed to form my own opinion on the matter, just because the jury found OJ not guilty doesn't mean I have to stop thinking he's a murderer.

Since you were not on the jury your opinion does not count except in your mind.

I'll not give my opinion on something unrelated to the subject at hand.

God Bless


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 2923 of 2980 (863795)
09-30-2019 12:58 PM
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09-30-2019 11:56 AM


Re: The Crime that Was Not and Yet Was
Hi ringo

ringo writes:

Dr. Adequate's point was that Hitler was guilty

I never read where Hitler was tried for anything.

If he had been tried he would not have had the privilege of being tried under the United States Constitution and laws.

Under our laws you have to have enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt to convict a person of an offense.

If you can not do that the person is not guilty.

According to Muller he had insufficient evidence to convict.

That is our system whether you like it or not.

God Bless


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ringo
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Message 2924 of 2980 (863796)
09-30-2019 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 2923 by ICANT
09-30-2019 12:58 PM


Re: The Crime that Was Not and Yet Was
ICANT writes:

I never read where Hitler was tried for anything.


Conviction and acquittal are separate from guilt and innocence.
quote:
Proverbs 17:15 He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the Lord.

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Message 2925 of 2980 (863798)
09-30-2019 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 2922 by ICANT
09-30-2019 12:44 PM


Re: The Crime that Was Not and Yet Was
That means they did not have enough evidence to convict the President of a crime under the judicial system in America

I agree as I've been saying all along "not enough evidence to convict" is not the same thing as "no evidence". "Unable to charge someone for a crime" is not the same thing as "no crime occurred".

Since you were not on the jury your opinion does not count except in your mind.

and since you weren't part of the Mueller investigation your opinion does not count except in your mind. It's pretty easy to win debates when you just handwave away peoples positions isn't it.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
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