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PaulK
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Message 3061 of 5796 (865063)
10-20-2019 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 3060 by Faith
10-20-2019 2:59 PM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
quote:
May the truth come out.
That’s exactly what you don’t want.
So come on, tell me why all the inappropriate contacts with the Russians - and the attempts to conceal them - don’t exist. Manafort, the Trump Tower meeting, Flynn and the rest.

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jar
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Message 3062 of 5796 (865064)
10-20-2019 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 3060 by Faith
10-20-2019 2:59 PM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
Faith writes:
May the truth come out.
It will, and as soon as Trump is out of office he will be tried and sent to jail. He will become the First US President to spend all of his life after the Presidency as a criminal in jail.

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Phat
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Message 3063 of 5796 (865066)
10-20-2019 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 3062 by jar
10-20-2019 3:12 PM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
I'm not pro-Trump, but I have reason to question your pronouncement. It seems too incredulous to me. I believe that the adversaries have a card or two up their sleeves. At worst, he likely will tie it all up in court long enough to die before sentencing.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 3064 of 5796 (865069)
10-20-2019 3:21 PM


It part of this Russian obsession out of a fear among the military industrial complex
The media is dug in full-force against Trump, presently, but was the initial obsession with Russia out of a feared peaceful existence?
Russia managed to sort-of become friends with Turkey (Turkey for God's sake!), in the last few years (though, presently, Russia & Syria are fighting with the Kurds against Turkey), so anything is possible.
It was just (less than) 4 years ago that Turkey shot a Russian plane out of the sky (it was like a month or 2 after Russia was sick and tired of the United States not fighting ISIS and allied terrorist groups, and decided to accept the invitation from the Syrian government to enter Syria).
Putin lost a fighter pilot and Russians were angry. But Putin went out of his way to chock the world and describe Russians and Turkey as "friends".
Putin got a lot of media ridicule for that one.
(I was puzzled myself at his "friends" comment)
The Kurds are no longer being slaughtered by terrorists, and the media won't tell you it was because of Russia.
Hopefully the Syrian government and Turkey can work out something so the Kurds can peacefully exist in the "Kurdistan" portion of Turkey's territory. But there are armed Kurdish fighters who want Turkey to cede a large part of its national territory for a "Kurdish" state.
A solution is much more possible now that we are HOPEFULLY leaving Syria.
Russia, Turkey, and Syria do want a sincere solution.
AND THE KURDS ARE NO LONGER BEING SLAUGHTERED BY WESTERN BACKED TERRORISTS!

  
jar
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Message 3065 of 5796 (865074)
10-20-2019 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 3063 by Phat
10-20-2019 3:19 PM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
Phat writes:
At worst, he likely will tie it all up in court long enough to die before sentencing.
Let me fix that for you; "At best, he likely will tie it all up in court long enough to die before sentencing."

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Faith 
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Message 3066 of 5796 (865101)
10-20-2019 6:30 PM
Reply to: Message 3062 by jar
10-20-2019 3:12 PM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
Trump has committed NO crimes so if he went to jail it would only be by a corrupt leftwing court.

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dwise1
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Message 3067 of 5796 (865105)
10-20-2019 6:49 PM
Reply to: Message 3062 by jar
10-20-2019 3:12 PM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
It will, and as soon as Trump is out of office he will be tried and sent to jail.
Above all else, Trump is desperate to remain in office as long as he possibly can in order to escape being indicted and convicted, which is a certainty barring any scenarios in which he's given a deal to leave office as soon as possible.
I have to believe that somebody or some group has worked out a wargame which simulates and tests all the possible scenarios and how they could play out. What are all the possible scenarios and how could they play out?
Wargaming has a long history and was more famously used by the Prussians.
For example, the Japanese used wargaming to test their plans for the attack on Pearl Harbor. Then (as I've read) they did the same for their Midway plan and it failed, so they changed some parameters to make it work -- my understanding is that it was the surprise appearance of the USS Yorktown, which by all rights should have still been undergoing repairs from Coral Sea, which turned that battle.
In our current situation, I can see a scenario in which Trump is removed from office (eg, through impeachment and removal, the 25th Amendment, getting voted out of office) and chooses to flee the country for a safe haven such as Russia. If it's getting voted out of office, I can see him fleeing in Air Force One.
Hopefully, those seeking justice will have done their own wargaming in order to anticipate every possible scenario and to have plans in place to prevent Trump's escape from justice.

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dwise1
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Message 3068 of 5796 (865106)
10-20-2019 7:07 PM
Reply to: Message 3066 by Faith
10-20-2019 6:30 PM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
Trump has committed NO crimes so if he went to jail it would only be by a corrupt leftwing court.
Completely false!
Without having to think hard (plus I'm in a hurry):
  • Violation of campaign finance laws surrounding his payoffs to Stormy Daniels and that dumb bunny for which Michael Cohen is in prison and for which Trump has been named an "unindicted co-conspirator". There is undoubtedly a sealed indictment waiting with Trump's name on it.
  • Innumerable counts of obstruction of justice.
  • Tax fraud and insurance fraud.
  • Violating election finance laws by soliciting a foreign government for things of value.
  • Issuing a false weather warning.
  • Falsifying an official weather map.
That list is by no means exhaustive. And of course, that does not include potentially treasonous acts that will undoubtedly be uncovered once we can examine his financials which he is so incredibly desperate to keep covered up.
And that does not count the innumerable impeachable offenses which might not be criminal in nature (eg, emoluments violations from International Hotel in DC (just one case to the tune of about $725 million) and golf trips to his various resorts (costing the gov't more than $10 million) and Saudis using Doral, abuse of office).
Trump has committed so many crimes, so if he goes to jail it will be because he so richly deserves it.
 
ABE:
Under crimes committed, I'm sure that it must be a crime to order others to violate federal law. Such as the laws regarding the release of IRS tax records to Congressional committees upon request (IOW, "shall" does indeed mean "shall"!). Such as honoring congressional subpoenas.
And, of course, Trump's innumerable corruption violations.
Edited by dwise1, : ABE

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jar
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Message 3069 of 5796 (865107)
10-20-2019 8:04 PM
Reply to: Message 3067 by dwise1
10-20-2019 6:49 PM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
I think the equally likely scenario is that Trump simply ignore either election results or removal from office by his typical tactic of simply denying reality and so stays in office. With the support from his base, public, in the military and in law enforcement such a coup is entirely possible.
Edited by jar, : -;

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AZPaul3
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Message 3070 of 5796 (865114)
10-20-2019 9:54 PM
Reply to: Message 3062 by jar
10-20-2019 3:12 PM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
He will become the First US President to spend all of his life after the Presidency as a criminal in jail.
Ya promise?

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Faith 
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Message 3071 of 5796 (865115)
10-20-2019 11:13 PM
Reply to: Message 3068 by dwise1
10-20-2019 7:07 PM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
Trump has committed no crimes.

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PaulK
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Message 3072 of 5796 (865120)
10-21-2019 12:29 AM
Reply to: Message 3071 by Faith
10-20-2019 11:13 PM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
Faith, you need to understand that being a liar doesn’t put Trump above the law. Simply saying that he hasn’t committed crimes is not going to work in any court. The Republicans haven’t corrupted the system that much.
There is pretty good evidence of fraud (differences in financial information given to lenders and to the tax authorities) and it wouldn’t be surprising if there were more.

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dwise1
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Message 3073 of 5796 (865126)
10-21-2019 4:30 AM
Reply to: Message 3071 by Faith
10-20-2019 11:13 PM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
Trump has committed no crimes.
Completely false!
Without having to think hard:
  • Violation of campaign finance laws surrounding his payoffs to Stormy Daniels and that dumb bunny for which Michael Cohen is in prison and for which Trump has been named an "unindicted co-conspirator". There is undoubtedly a sealed indictment waiting with Trump's name on it.
  • Innumerable counts of obstruction of justice.
  • Tax fraud and insurance fraud.
  • Violating election finance laws by soliciting a foreign government for things of value. Specifically, that's that Ukraine phone call in which the White House admits that Trump did it. Please note that this is separate from any quid pro quo questions. In his interview with Stephanopoulos, Trump stated that he would listen to any dirt that a foreign government had on his opponent, which would also violate that federal law, so he has displayed a willingness to violate the law.
  • Ordering his minions to openly violate federal law; eg:
    • Block the release of Trump's income tax returns to the appropriate congressional committees as explicitly required by law.
    • Refuse to honor congressional subpoenas.
    • Pressure their subordinates into refusing to honor congressional subpoenas.
  • Issuing a false weather warning. This is a direct violation of federal law punishable by imprisonment.
  • Falsifying an official weather map. AKA "SharpieGate". This is a direct violation of the same federal law that forbids issuing a false weather warning.
  • Innumerable instances of corruption, including:
    • Pocketing campaign contributions by running campaign offices in Trump-owned properties serviced and catered by Trump-owned businesses. Including Trump-owned properties that were never ever occupied by campaign workers but were paid for nonetheless.
      Interesting to note is that Trump filed for re-election as soon as was possible, just so he could keep that cash cow going for as long as possible.
    • Accepting massive donations for his inauguration, including a ball at Trump International organized by Ivanka and for which she was over-charged (ie, what kind of discount does the owner of the hotel get? He gets over-charged, meaning even more donated money flows into his pocket).
      Trump's inaugural fund was very much larger than Obama's, spent far far less, and has left tens of millions of dollars unaccounted for. (we need an update on this one, but it is being investigated)
    • Every single time Trump takes a golfing vacation to one of his resorts (I do not know of him ever going anywhere else) he brings in a lot of government money, the profits of which go directly to his own pockets. Every single time he goes golfing, his entire party including him, his staff, security and support troops, and whatever guests need to be housed and fed, all of which is paid to Trump's own resort and hence to Trump himself (minus expenses). Of course, that does not include greens fees and cart rentals and whatever else a golf course charges (I'm not a golfer). What kind of discount does the owner and his party receive? Well, judging from the Inaugural Ball, they must get overcharged, resulting in even more profit for Trump.
      Please remember how apoplectic conservatives would get over Obama's golf trips. Also remember how campaign Trump strongly criticized Obama for going golfing and swore that he wouldn't have any time for golfing. Well, in just two years Trump far exceeded Obama in time spent golfing. Furthermore, Obama went golfing at local military bases for the cost of a motorcade and derived no monetary profit from it, while Trump only goes to his own resorts at far greater transportation costs as well as exorbitant expenses while there which flow into Trump's own pockets. Last I heard a couple months ago, Trump's golf trips have cost the US government more than $100 million. Well, hypocrite, where is your fucking outrage at that?
    • Every guest at Trump's International Hotel in DC is putting money into Trump's pockets. Early in the Trump Administration, there was a bill before Congress that Saudi Arabia opposed, so they basically bribed Trump to the tune of about $725,000. They bought a block of rooms at the International Hotel and invited US veterans to come and stay there and dine there at no personal cost to themselves so that they could speak out against this bill.
      Trump's Doral hotel is wholly owned by him and cannot make a profit, always operating in the red. So a large Saudi party stayed at the hotel and the hotel proudly announced having operated in the black that one quarter. Why would the Saudis go there instead of to Puerto Bans? To grease Trump's palm, of course.
    • Trump's choice of his own property, Doral, for the G-7 meeting (formerly the G-8 before Russia was kicked out over their invasion of the Ukrain, apparently soon to be the G-6 after the USA gets kicked out over Trump). After overwhelming push-back over that blatantly corrupt choice, Trump backed down.
      Consider, though, what Trump was trying to line up there:
      • The conference would take place off-season, when the hotel would be operating at its greatest loss due to so many vacancies (who wants to golf in southern-most Florida in the summer?). Having such a massive number of bookings during such a slump would change a huge loss into a much smaller loss, even when pricing accommodations "at cost". IOW, the false claim of "no profits being made here" rings very hollow indeed.
      • The resort is not in the best of repair. For example, there are only two presidential suites, so what are the other five heads of state supposed to do, bunk together? Obviously there would be a need to upgrade the accommodations. Who would foot that bill? The US government, AKA "us". Then after the G-7 meeting, Doral would have been greatly upgraded at government expense, but only because the owner, Trump, had chosen it.
      • There will be expanded need for helipads. For that matter, by scanning the grounds on Google Earth I see no evidence of any helipads. Where would those helipads be placed? Obviously, on the golf greens.
        So after the conference is over, what will happen to those helipads? They will have to go away and the golf greens would need to be restored. Word I hear is that the grounds are in need of refurbishing, which can cost upwards of $10 million. So in the "restoration" of the greens when the helipads are removed, the entire golf course would get a complete refurbishment at US government expense.
        You worry so much about newly arrived immigrants needing basic support and here's Trump literally taking multiple millions of dollars away from you for his own personal gain.
  • Questions of national security (many of which could be considered treasonous in the general sense (the legal definition is much stickier)), many of which are under counter-intelligence investigation.
Of course, there are also questions about the sources of Trump's income flows. If they turn out to be Russian, then that could help to explain why with Trump all roads lead to Putin.
As a brief aside, let us review the espionage methods for recruiting assets: MICE -- Money, Ideology, Compromise/Coercion, Ego/Extortion. In my 35 years in the US military, I have received standard counter-intelligence training many times. One theme that kept cropping up was that most Americans who sell out their country do so for money; that makes Americans just about the easiest ones to turn just by throwing enough money at them.
Of course, Trump is all about the money. And anything that fluffs his ego (reference to porn film fluffers) will definitely have his attention -- eg, reference the at least twice daily "fluffer briefings" especially prepared for Trump to show him all the positive press supporting him. And of course Trump has no ideology.
But then there's the matter of compromise. Just coming in the first day, Trump was compromised by Russia. All during his campaign, Trump was supposed to have no financial ties with Russia. Yet all that time, he was still negotiating his Moscow Trump tower with the necessary powers, including Putin. He lied to the people and to the government about having financial ties to Russia. Russia knew that he was lying. Trump knew that Russia knew that he was lying. Putin is KGB ("Committee of Public Safety", if you read the actual Russian which I used to be able to do after a fashion). The KGB knows MICE very well indeed and are artists in its use. Putin knows what compromise is and how to exploit it.
Even just with that one "Moscow Tower" lie, Trump was compromised from the very beginning.
There still remain far too many questions about Trump's income stream, all of which must still be investigated. Yet Trump insists on preventing all such investigation. So what is he trying to cover up?
 
So, Faith. Do you really think that Trump has committed no crimes? Then what are your answers to every single point I raised?

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Faith 
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Message 3074 of 5796 (865127)
10-21-2019 6:10 AM
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10-21-2019 4:30 AM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
It's all made up, none of it is real. As the title of the book says, this whole thing is a witch hunt, the Greatest Mass Delusion in the History of American Politics.
May the truth come out.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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dwise1
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Message 3075 of 5796 (865133)
10-21-2019 7:22 AM
Reply to: Message 3074 by Faith
10-21-2019 6:10 AM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
It's all made up, none of it is real. As the title of the book says, this whole thing is a witch hunt, the Greatest Mass Delusion in the History of American Politics.
What fucking book are you babbling about?
A guy owns a business.
A guy gets elected to a high office in the government.
A guy sends all government business to that business he owns.
That guy is thoroughly corrupt.
What the fuck else is there to say?
 
The truth has been presented.
That rancid orange piece of shit has presented himself as being guilty of multiple crimes, but because of his office he is technically protected from prosecution for those crimes.
May the truth come out.
Oh you better fucking believe that the truth will come out! And you will find yourself on the side of the Russian traitors opposing AMERICA!!!

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