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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: That’s exactly what you don’t want. So come on, tell me why all the inappropriate contacts with the Russians - and the attempts to conceal them - don’t exist. Manafort, the Trump Tower meeting, Flynn and the rest.
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Faith writes: May the truth come out. It will, and as soon as Trump is out of office he will be tried and sent to jail. He will become the First US President to spend all of his life after the Presidency as a criminal in jail.
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I'm not pro-Trump, but I have reason to question your pronouncement. It seems too incredulous to me. I believe that the adversaries have a card or two up their sleeves. At worst, he likely will tie it all up in court long enough to die before sentencing.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2422 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
The media is dug in full-force against Trump, presently, but was the initial obsession with Russia out of a feared peaceful existence?
Russia managed to sort-of become friends with Turkey (Turkey for God's sake!), in the last few years (though, presently, Russia & Syria are fighting with the Kurds against Turkey), so anything is possible. It was just (less than) 4 years ago that Turkey shot a Russian plane out of the sky (it was like a month or 2 after Russia was sick and tired of the United States not fighting ISIS and allied terrorist groups, and decided to accept the invitation from the Syrian government to enter Syria). Putin lost a fighter pilot and Russians were angry. But Putin went out of his way to chock the world and describe Russians and Turkey as "friends". Putin got a lot of media ridicule for that one. (I was puzzled myself at his "friends" comment) The Kurds are no longer being slaughtered by terrorists, and the media won't tell you it was because of Russia. Hopefully the Syrian government and Turkey can work out something so the Kurds can peacefully exist in the "Kurdistan" portion of Turkey's territory. But there are armed Kurdish fighters who want Turkey to cede a large part of its national territory for a "Kurdish" state. A solution is much more possible now that we are HOPEFULLY leaving Syria. Russia, Turkey, and Syria do want a sincere solution. AND THE KURDS ARE NO LONGER BEING SLAUGHTERED BY WESTERN BACKED TERRORISTS!
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: At worst, he likely will tie it all up in court long enough to die before sentencing. Let me fix that for you; "At best, he likely will tie it all up in court long enough to die before sentencing."
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Trump has committed NO crimes so if he went to jail it would only be by a corrupt leftwing court.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
It will, and as soon as Trump is out of office he will be tried and sent to jail. Above all else, Trump is desperate to remain in office as long as he possibly can in order to escape being indicted and convicted, which is a certainty barring any scenarios in which he's given a deal to leave office as soon as possible. I have to believe that somebody or some group has worked out a wargame which simulates and tests all the possible scenarios and how they could play out. What are all the possible scenarios and how could they play out? Wargaming has a long history and was more famously used by the Prussians.For example, the Japanese used wargaming to test their plans for the attack on Pearl Harbor. Then (as I've read) they did the same for their Midway plan and it failed, so they changed some parameters to make it work -- my understanding is that it was the surprise appearance of the USS Yorktown, which by all rights should have still been undergoing repairs from Coral Sea, which turned that battle. In our current situation, I can see a scenario in which Trump is removed from office (eg, through impeachment and removal, the 25th Amendment, getting voted out of office) and chooses to flee the country for a safe haven such as Russia. If it's getting voted out of office, I can see him fleeing in Air Force One. Hopefully, those seeking justice will have done their own wargaming in order to anticipate every possible scenario and to have plans in place to prevent Trump's escape from justice.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Trump has committed NO crimes so if he went to jail it would only be by a corrupt leftwing court. Completely false! Without having to think hard (plus I'm in a hurry):
That list is by no means exhaustive. And of course, that does not include potentially treasonous acts that will undoubtedly be uncovered once we can examine his financials which he is so incredibly desperate to keep covered up. And that does not count the innumerable impeachable offenses which might not be criminal in nature (eg, emoluments violations from International Hotel in DC (just one case to the tune of about $725 million) and golf trips to his various resorts (costing the gov't more than $10 million) and Saudis using Doral, abuse of office). Trump has committed so many crimes, so if he goes to jail it will be because he so richly deserves it.
ABE: Under crimes committed, I'm sure that it must be a crime to order others to violate federal law. Such as the laws regarding the release of IRS tax records to Congressional committees upon request (IOW, "shall" does indeed mean "shall"!). Such as honoring congressional subpoenas. And, of course, Trump's innumerable corruption violations. Edited by dwise1, : ABE
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I think the equally likely scenario is that Trump simply ignore either election results or removal from office by his typical tactic of simply denying reality and so stays in office. With the support from his base, public, in the military and in law enforcement such a coup is entirely possible.
Edited by jar, : -;
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8551 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
He will become the First US President to spend all of his life after the Presidency as a criminal in jail. Ya promise?Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Trump has committed no crimes.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Faith, you need to understand that being a liar doesn’t put Trump above the law. Simply saying that he hasn’t committed crimes is not going to work in any court. The Republicans haven’t corrupted the system that much.
There is pretty good evidence of fraud (differences in financial information given to lenders and to the tax authorities) and it wouldn’t be surprising if there were more.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Trump has committed no crimes. Completely false! Without having to think hard:
Of course, there are also questions about the sources of Trump's income flows. If they turn out to be Russian, then that could help to explain why with Trump all roads lead to Putin. As a brief aside, let us review the espionage methods for recruiting assets: MICE -- Money, Ideology, Compromise/Coercion, Ego/Extortion. In my 35 years in the US military, I have received standard counter-intelligence training many times. One theme that kept cropping up was that most Americans who sell out their country do so for money; that makes Americans just about the easiest ones to turn just by throwing enough money at them. Of course, Trump is all about the money. And anything that fluffs his ego (reference to porn film fluffers) will definitely have his attention -- eg, reference the at least twice daily "fluffer briefings" especially prepared for Trump to show him all the positive press supporting him. And of course Trump has no ideology. But then there's the matter of compromise. Just coming in the first day, Trump was compromised by Russia. All during his campaign, Trump was supposed to have no financial ties with Russia. Yet all that time, he was still negotiating his Moscow Trump tower with the necessary powers, including Putin. He lied to the people and to the government about having financial ties to Russia. Russia knew that he was lying. Trump knew that Russia knew that he was lying. Putin is KGB ("Committee of Public Safety", if you read the actual Russian which I used to be able to do after a fashion). The KGB knows MICE very well indeed and are artists in its use. Putin knows what compromise is and how to exploit it. Even just with that one "Moscow Tower" lie, Trump was compromised from the very beginning. There still remain far too many questions about Trump's income stream, all of which must still be investigated. Yet Trump insists on preventing all such investigation. So what is he trying to cover up? So, Faith. Do you really think that Trump has committed no crimes? Then what are your answers to every single point I raised?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It's all made up, none of it is real. As the title of the book says, this whole thing is a witch hunt, the Greatest Mass Delusion in the History of American Politics.
May the truth come out. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
It's all made up, none of it is real. As the title of the book says, this whole thing is a witch hunt, the Greatest Mass Delusion in the History of American Politics. What fucking book are you babbling about? A guy owns a business. A guy gets elected to a high office in the government. A guy sends all government business to that business he owns. That guy is thoroughly corrupt. What the fuck else is there to say? The truth has been presented. That rancid orange piece of shit has presented himself as being guilty of multiple crimes, but because of his office he is technically protected from prosecution for those crimes.
May the truth come out. Oh you better fucking believe that the truth will come out! And you will find yourself on the side of the Russian traitors opposing AMERICA!!!
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