Understanding through Discussion


Welcome! You are not logged in. [ Login ]
EvC Forum active members: 86 (8945 total)
23 online now:
PaulK (1 member, 22 visitors)
Newest Member: ski zawaski
Upcoming Birthdays: ONESOlivia, perfect
Post Volume: Total: 865,370 Year: 20,406/19,786 Month: 803/2,023 Week: 311/392 Day: 1/41 Hour: 0/1


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   The Right Side of the News (renamed)
vimesey
Member
Posts: 1010
From: Birmingham, England
Joined: 09-21-2011
Member Rating: 7.3


Message 3316 of 3426 (866121)
11-06-2019 8:13 AM


Does this ring true over there ?
There was an interesting piece this morning on the BBC radio news about the Democrats' success in the recent elections, most importantly in previously solid Republican states.

I won't recite the detail, but the BBC's US correspondent's view was that these results were sharpening the questioning by the Republican politicians, which had already begun, as to the weakening and perhaps even the nascent toxicity of the Trump brand.

Is this a fair opinion, or wishful thinking at this stage ?


Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

Replies to this message:
 Message 3317 by Percy, posted 11-06-2019 9:16 AM vimesey has not yet responded
 Message 3318 by jar, posted 11-06-2019 9:28 AM vimesey has not yet responded

  
Percy
Member
Posts: 18965
From: New Hampshire
Joined: 12-23-2000
Member Rating: 3.4


(2)
Message 3317 of 3426 (866124)
11-06-2019 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 3316 by vimesey
11-06-2019 8:13 AM


Re: Does this ring true over there ?
vimesey writes:

I won't recite the detail, but the BBC's US correspondent's view was that these results were sharpening the questioning by the Republican politicians, which had already begun, as to the weakening and perhaps even the nascent toxicity of the Trump brand.

Is this a fair opinion, or wishful thinking at this stage ?

The primary interest of most people in Congress is getting reelected, not service to the country. Their own chutzpah convinces them that what they want is in the best interests of the country, no matter the factual basis or lack thereof, so they see getting reelected and serving the best interests of the country as synonymous.

For many in Congress the equation is simple. If your district is predominantly Trump supporters, then you support whatever Trump wants, and you utter whatever nonsense talking-points are being circulated in Republican circles, such as that the impeachment inquiry is a Soviet style investigation.

If your district predominantly does not support Trump, then you support whatever your constituents want, and you don't have to lie since the evidence against Trump is public and easy to understand.

But were the shoe on the other foot, if a Democrat president was in the same situation as Trump, the Democrats would be behaving like the Republicans are now. There is evidence for this. For example, the Democrats called the Ken Starr investigations of Bill Clinton a witch hunt.

Some in Congress have a mixed constituency, are pulled in opposing directions, and have to walk a fine line. Susan Collins in Maine is an example, as is Lisa Murkowski in Alaska.

The good news in all this is that the politicians running for office are trying to reflect the values and views of their constituents, which is as it should be. The bad news is the obvious fact that politicians from both sides lie and misrepresent whenever necessary, and they will repeat these lies and misrepresentations to their constituencies, who are mystifying in themselves in the way they accept any argument that supports whatever they already believe, no matter how obviously untrue or absurd or lacking any evidence.

What's different about the era of Trump is the sheer scale and audacity of the lying. Republicans are willing to echo any Trump argument no matter how obviously false, and show no embarrassment at having to keep changing their story (taking their lead from Trump) as the evidence strengthens and mounts.

Much of the way Trump issues his accusations is reminiscent of Eugene McCarthy, he of the communist witch hunts of the 1950's who would stand before Congress with a piece of paper in one hand and say things like, "I have here in my hand a list of 106 State Department employees who are members of the communist party," but no one ever got to see the piece of paper. Trump's variant on this is to say, "People are saying...", though the only person saying it is Trump, at least initially before the Republican sycophants join in.

So if some Republican support for Trump is weakening it could only be because after doing the math they can see that their path to reelection requires distancing themselves from Trump.

--Percy


This message is a reply to:
 Message 3316 by vimesey, posted 11-06-2019 8:13 AM vimesey has not yet responded

  
jar
Member
Posts: 31611
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004
Member Rating: 2.6


Message 3318 of 3426 (866127)
11-06-2019 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 3316 by vimesey
11-06-2019 8:13 AM


Re: Does this ring true over there ?
Watch what is happening in the State by State pre-Primary maneuvers. So far at least five States have already moved to cancel their Primary elections or Caucuses basically freezing out any possible competition to a second Trump run.

My Sister's Website: Rose Hill Studios     My Website: My Website

This message is a reply to:
 Message 3316 by vimesey, posted 11-06-2019 8:13 AM vimesey has not yet responded

  
Percy
Member
Posts: 18965
From: New Hampshire
Joined: 12-23-2000
Member Rating: 3.4


Message 3319 of 3426 (866128)
11-06-2019 9:45 AM
Reply to: Message 3299 by Percy
11-05-2019 9:18 AM


Re: Another Insulting Trump Tweet
Still no matching insults/attacks posted by Faith or Marc, so I'll just post another Trump tweet:

Here he attacks New York Governor Cuomo and New York City Mayor DeBlasio for releasing 900 criminals, but it never happened and is not, as far as anyone knows, planned to happen. But it is true that Nearly 2,000 Federal Prison Terms Cut By First Step Act. The First Step Act was passed by a Republican Congress last year and signed by President Trump.

Trump also attacks the "Radical Left Dems" for "killing our cities." Hard to know what he's talking about. Cities and the surrounding regions are where most of the productive economic activity of the country takes place.

He does say one thing that is true: New York's police commissioner is resigning, but not under any cloud. He has been strongly criticized for firing the officer who killed someone he was arresting by using an illegal chokehold and then not administering or requesting any medical assistance when the person was in obvious distress. Many believe he has lost the support of the rank and file, and suicides among them have increased this year.

Faith and Marc: If your claims that Trump is just responding to the attacks of Congressional Democrats and the mainstream media are not just fabrications, then post these attacks here. So far you're losing 3-0.

--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Grammar.


This message is a reply to:
 Message 3299 by Percy, posted 11-05-2019 9:18 AM Percy has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 3320 by Faith, posted 11-06-2019 9:56 AM Percy has responded
 Message 3357 by Percy, posted 11-07-2019 8:43 AM Percy has responded

  
Faith
Member
Posts: 33651
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001
Member Rating: 1.2


Message 3320 of 3426 (866130)
11-06-2019 9:56 AM
Reply to: Message 3319 by Percy
11-06-2019 9:45 AM


Re: Another Insulting Trump Tweet
Trump also attacks the "Radical **** Dems" for "killing our cities." Hard to know what he's talking about. Cities and the surrounding regions are where most of the productive economic activity of the country takes place.

Perhaps he's talking about the big cities run by the Radical **** Dems where there are huge tent cities occupied by the homeless, mostly drug addicts who throw their drug needles everywhere to be a hazard, and defecate on the sidewalks, causing a health hazard for everybody, where old diseases are now ************* again and the city does nothing to help them. I know of three such cities for sure: Los Angeles, San Francisco and Seattle, but there are at least half a dozen, maybe more in the rest of the country. I don't know if New York is one of them.


This message is a reply to:
 Message 3319 by Percy, posted 11-06-2019 9:45 AM Percy has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 3325 by Percy, posted 11-06-2019 10:30 AM Faith has responded

  
Percy
Member
Posts: 18965
From: New Hampshire
Joined: 12-23-2000
Member Rating: 3.4


Message 3321 of 3426 (866131)
11-06-2019 10:04 AM


Finger Flipper Flips Former Favorite
Remember Juli Briskman? No? Well, here she is flipping off Trump's motorcade as he leaves his Trump National Golf Club to return to the White House:

Flipping the bird cost her her job, and she also lost her lawsuit against the company that let her go.

But as reported by Fox News, she ran for a seat on the Loudoun County Board of Supervisors, the same county hosting Trump's golf club. She won. As Fox News Reports, Virginia cyclist who flipped off Trump's motorcade wins race for local office.

I deplore Briskman's public gesture and celebrate her spirit.

--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Typo.


Replies to this message:
 Message 3323 by Faith, posted 11-06-2019 10:08 AM Percy has responded

  
RAZD
Member
Posts: 20239
From: the other end of the sidewalk
Joined: 03-14-2004
Member Rating: 4.1


Message 3322 of 3426 (866132)
11-06-2019 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 3306 by Faith
11-05-2019 5:51 PM


Impeachable actions by Trump and now Pence
Faith,

That's a bunch of wishful crap. ... Some Democrats, however, are guilty of TRULY criminal and/or impeachable offenses, and I hope THAT gets established soon.

Is you posting a bunch of wistful crap. Perhaps you cou;d substantiate that claim by posting which democrats are responsible for what impeachable offenses? You won't you can't it's false. Democrats are doing what the constitution gives them the responsibility to do. It's legal and it is according to rules set up by the GOP when they ran the Benghazi hearings. Curiously I didn't hear you complain about the process then.

Dumbty's misdoings are legendary, likely making him the most notoriously corrupt president to date.

But he is not alone ...

quote:
How Mike Pence’s Office Meddled in Foreign Aid to Reroute Money to Favored Christian Groups

Five months before Ferguson sent the email, his former boss had been ousted following a mandate from Pence’s chief of staff. Pence had grown displeased with USAID’s work in Iraq after Christian groups were turned down for aid.

ProPublica viewed internal emails and conducted interviews with nearly 40 current and former U.S. officials and aid professionals that shed new light on the success of Pence and his allies in influencing the government’s long-standing process for awarding foreign aid. Most people spoke on the condition of anonymity.

The Trump administration’s efforts to influence USAID funding sparked concern from career officials, who worried the agency risked violating constitutional prohibitions on favoring one religion over another. They also were concerned that being perceived as favoring Christians could worsen Iraq’s sectarian divides.


His personal agenda is not America's agenda, and corrupting aid distribution to serve his agenda is criminal.

Firing people who are doing the proper work of an agency to then corrupt that agency to pursue Pense's agenda is criminal.

Enjoy


we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand
Rebel•American•Zen•Deist
... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ...
to share.


Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)

This message is a reply to:
 Message 3306 by Faith, posted 11-05-2019 5:51 PM Faith has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 3324 by Faith, posted 11-06-2019 10:14 AM RAZD has responded

  
Faith
Member
Posts: 33651
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001
Member Rating: 1.2


Message 3323 of 3426 (866133)
11-06-2019 10:08 AM
Reply to: Message 3321 by Percy
11-06-2019 10:04 AM


Re: Finger Flipper Flips Former Favorite
OK you celebrate her spirit, so if a bunch of us conservatives went and flipped off the liberal members of Congress as they come and go you'd celebrate our spirit too.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


This message is a reply to:
 Message 3321 by Percy, posted 11-06-2019 10:04 AM Percy has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 3330 by Percy, posted 11-06-2019 11:26 AM Faith has responded
 Message 3332 by Theodoric, posted 11-06-2019 11:43 AM Faith has not yet responded

  
Faith
Member
Posts: 33651
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001
Member Rating: 1.2


Message 3324 of 3426 (866134)
11-06-2019 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 3322 by RAZD
11-06-2019 10:07 AM


Re: Impeachable actions by Trump and now Pence
Is you posting a bunch of wistful ****. Perhaps you cou;d substantiate that claim by posting which democrats are responsible for what impeachable offenses

Clinton for sure who scrubbed her illegal server to cover up classified emails. Some who helped her acquire the totally false "dossier" supplied by the Brit Steele to try to discredit Trump during his campaign; any of those who acquired FISA warrants on the basis of that illegal dossier, not remembering names, Comey I think for exonerating Clinton of her crime. Clapper and Brennan are memtioned as criminally at fault. , Adam Schiff for making up the content of the President's phone call; probably the "whistleblower" who is really a spy in the White House probably acting for Schiff, having once worked for Biden, who did not hear the phone call he supposedly blew the whistle on. There are more but I'm not good at remembering these things.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


This message is a reply to:
 Message 3322 by RAZD, posted 11-06-2019 10:07 AM RAZD has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 3327 by RAZD, posted 11-06-2019 10:41 AM Faith has responded

  
Percy
Member
Posts: 18965
From: New Hampshire
Joined: 12-23-2000
Member Rating: 3.4


Message 3325 of 3426 (866136)
11-06-2019 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 3320 by Faith
11-06-2019 9:56 AM


Re: Another Insulting Trump Tweet
Homelessness has been a problem in American cities for a long, long time. It has drawn the attention of successive administrations of both parties for many, many decades. Its severity rises and falls with the country's economic fortunes. But it doesn't seem to be "killing" (to use Trump's ambiguous term) any cities.

[TrumpStyleArgument]People are asking why, if the economy is as wonderful as Trump claims, there is considerable homelessness in so many U.S. cities?[/TrumpStyleArgument]

A more accurate point is that in many cities housing costs become greater than many people's incomes, leaving them out on the streets. Affordable housing is the answer, but public housing projects introduce problems of their own, while placing responsibility for providing housing in private hands results in pricing that excludes many from the housing market.

And of course that's only one class of homelessness, the employed homeless. There's another class of homeless who can't or don't work because of some combination of mental and physical problems.

Homelessness in cities is not an easy problem to solve.

--Percy


This message is a reply to:
 Message 3320 by Faith, posted 11-06-2019 9:56 AM Faith has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 3326 by Faith, posted 11-06-2019 10:40 AM Percy has responded

  
Faith
Member
Posts: 33651
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001
Member Rating: 1.2


Message 3326 of 3426 (866137)
11-06-2019 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 3325 by Percy
11-06-2019 10:30 AM


Re: Another Insulting Trump Tweet
This kind of homelessness is a new thing, there has never been such a danger to the society before the last few years. We're talking thousands upon thousands in these tent cities. We're talking police catching diseases from them as they try to deal with the problems among them. I remember when the ******** ill were released onto the streets of California because of liberal policies, where they threatened people and created a nuisance. It is still mostly the ******** ill on the streets, and they still threaten people who are just going about their business. There was a homelessness problem back in the days of the Depression I understand, the hobo population, but between then and the situation I describe above what problem existed? Certainly nothing **** we are hearing about today which is a serious threat to the wellbeing of everybody including the homeless themselves. Where are the programs a liberal government should be *********?

Of course your explanation focuses on conservatives but most of the homeless can't even hold a job due either to drug addiction or ****** illness or both, so it's got nothing to do with income levels.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


This message is a reply to:
 Message 3325 by Percy, posted 11-06-2019 10:30 AM Percy has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 3333 by Percy, posted 11-06-2019 11:48 AM Faith has not yet responded

  
RAZD
Member
Posts: 20239
From: the other end of the sidewalk
Joined: 03-14-2004
Member Rating: 4.1


Message 3327 of 3426 (866138)
11-06-2019 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 3324 by Faith
11-06-2019 10:14 AM


Re: Impeachable actions by Trump and now Pence
Clinton for sure who scrubbed her illegal server to cover up classified emails. ...

You can't impeach someone who is not even in government.

Clinton was exonerated by the State Department.

I don't like Hillary, I am just posting facts.

... Some who helped her acquire the totally false "dossier" supplied by the Brit Steele to try to discredit Trump during his campaign; ...

The validity of the Steele dossier has not been determined, it is likely a composite of truth and misinformation.

And, again, you can't impeach someone who is not even in government.

... not remembering names, ...

so, -- no substantiation.

... Comey I think for exonerating Clinton of her crime. ...

Comey is a registered republican.

Clinton was exonerated by the State Department.

... Clapper and Brennan are memtioned as criminally at fault. ...

Of what crime/s?

Clapper and Brennan are not in impeachable positions.

Details Faith, not wistful thinking.

... Adam Schiff for making up the content of the President's phone call ...

Except that the "content of the President's phone call" was released by Dumbty and Schiff quoted it.

... the "whistleblower" who is really a spy in the White House probably acting for Schiff, having once worked for Biden, who did not hear the phone call he supposedly blew the whistle on. ...

Being a whistleblower is not being a spy, it is making the public aware of government wrongdoing, it is an act of patriotism.

It is also not an impeachable offense.

Outing the name of the whistleblower is an impeachable offense, one that Dumbty badly wants to do. pun intended. There is no legal need to name the whistleblower, only a need to substantiate the allegations.

... There are more but I'm not good at remembering these things.

So, FAIL.

Enjoy


we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand
Rebel•American•Zen•Deist
... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ...
to share.


Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)

This message is a reply to:
 Message 3324 by Faith, posted 11-06-2019 10:14 AM Faith has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 3328 by Faith, posted 11-06-2019 10:43 AM RAZD has responded
 Message 3334 by Percy, posted 11-06-2019 12:11 PM RAZD has acknowledged this reply

  
Faith
Member
Posts: 33651
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001
Member Rating: 1.2


Message 3328 of 3426 (866139)
11-06-2019 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 3327 by RAZD
11-06-2019 10:41 AM


Re: Impeachable actions by Trump and now Pence
True you can't impeach someone who is not in office, so she should go to prison instead.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 3327 by RAZD, posted 11-06-2019 10:41 AM RAZD has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 3329 by RAZD, posted 11-06-2019 11:00 AM Faith has not yet responded

  
RAZD
Member
Posts: 20239
From: the other end of the sidewalk
Joined: 03-14-2004
Member Rating: 4.1


(2)
Message 3329 of 3426 (866140)
11-06-2019 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 3328 by Faith
11-06-2019 10:43 AM


Re: Impeachable actions by Trump and now Pence
True you can't impeach someone who is not in office, so she should go to prison instead.

For what crimes?

Y'all need to get over Hillary hating and move on.

Enjoy


we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand
Rebel•American•Zen•Deist
... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ...
to share.


Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)

This message is a reply to:
 Message 3328 by Faith, posted 11-06-2019 10:43 AM Faith has not yet responded

  
Percy
Member
Posts: 18965
From: New Hampshire
Joined: 12-23-2000
Member Rating: 3.4


Message 3330 of 3426 (866144)
11-06-2019 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 3323 by Faith
11-06-2019 10:08 AM


Re: Finger Flipper Flips Former Favorite
Faith writes:

Percy writes:

I deplore Briskman's public gesture and celebrate her spirit.

OK you celebrate her spirit, so if a bunch of us conservatives went and flipped off the liberal members of Congress as they come and go you'd celebrate our spirit too.

As you described it, your "bunch of conservatives" haven't demonstrated any spirit. All they've done is commit a deplorable public act.

If they lost their jobs because of this act, then lost lawsuits challenging those job losses, then successfully ran for office in order to serve the public, then their spirit should be celebrated.

--Percy


This message is a reply to:
 Message 3323 by Faith, posted 11-06-2019 10:08 AM Faith has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 3331 by Faith, posted 11-06-2019 11:43 AM Percy has acknowledged this reply

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2018 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.0 Beta
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2019