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Faith
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Message 3331 of 3477 (866151)
11-06-2019 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 3330 by Percy
11-06-2019 11:26 AM


Re: Finger Flipper Flips Former Favorite
But of course they would.

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Message 3332 of 3477 (866152)
11-06-2019 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 3323 by Faith
11-06-2019 10:08 AM


Re: Finger Flipper Flips Former Favorite
Sure would.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Percy
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Message 3333 of 3477 (866154)
11-06-2019 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 3326 by Faith
11-06-2019 10:40 AM


Re: Another Insulting Trump Tweet
I think you're mostly just repeating myths you've been fed by the news sources you prefer. If you provide some reference or evidential support for any of them I'll respond then. Short of that I'll just consider them fictions.

You did say a couple things that require correction:

Faith writes:

Of course your explanation focuses on conservatives...

No, it did not focus on conservatives. The word "conservative" or any synonym does not even appear in my message. The only thing I said that alluded to political affiliation was bipartisan: "It has drawn the attention of successive administrations of both parties for many, many decades."

...but most of the homeless can't even hold a job due either to drug addiction or mental illness or both, so it's got nothing to do with income levels.

The employed are a significant proportion of the homeless population. This article is old but still accurate: Homelessness Myth #1: "Get a Job!":

quote:
First, many homeless people are employed while some even have two jobs. Usually, these people sleep under some kind of shelter. They may be living in a homeless shelter or transitional housing situation, on someone else's couch or in someone's garage. Since the foreclosure crisis, many families have formed "tent cities" from which they work.

--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Grammar.


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Percy
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Message 3334 of 3477 (866157)
11-06-2019 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 3327 by RAZD
11-06-2019 10:41 AM


Re: Impeachable actions by Trump and now Pence
RAZD writes:

There is no legal need to name the whistleblower,...

True, but Trump and the Republicans have a practical reason for wanting to out the whistleblower, as a warning to others contemplating such a course that they risk being outed, and then once their name is public of being demonized, harassed and threatened.

If the whistleblower's name is made public then we know at some point the whistleblower will write about what happened to him, and it will go something like this:

quote:
"Within hours of being outed the threatening phone calls and emails began, some directed not just at me but at my entire family. We had to shut down our Facebook, Twitter and email accounts as well as our phones because they became so jammed with messages of hate. Some of the threats were very specific, and so we hired private security, but it grew worse and we eventually fled the region so that no one would know our whereabouts. None of our relatives know where we are, though they are harassed all the time. Our kids miss their friends and their schools and their old activities, and my wife and I miss our friends and our jobs. My wife has found employment as a receptionist and I'm doing yard work. We can't return to our actual professions without resumes. We miss our old life, but we're not sure when we'll be able to return.

"Was it worth it? Looking back I am proud that I was able to bring wrongdoing to light, but it wasn't worth it. I wouldn't do it again, and I would advise anyone else contemplating whistleblowing to try to find some other way. Unless you're young and unattached and brave as a warrior, it isn't worth the risk."


--Percy


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Taq
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Message 3335 of 3477 (866162)
11-06-2019 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 3309 by Faith
11-05-2019 7:18 PM


Re: Impeachable actions by Trump
Faith writes:

Look, if any of that crap was impeachable the House Democrats wouldn't still be trying to find something impeachable.

It must be really confusing for you when the police say they have an ongoing investigation. Apparently, you don't understand how investigations work.

If the Mueller Report had found anything impeachable they wouldn't have needed to set up this whole "whistleblower" hoax -- a spy in the White House, working for the Democrats, formerly involved with Biden, who didn't even personally hear the phone call he supposedly blew the whistle on.

Witnesses have come forward and corroborated the whistleblower account with firsthand knowledge. It's not a hoax.

They've never found anything; all of it is a fishing expedition TRYING to find something, the most disgusting partisan hoax/fraud ever perpetrated on the American people. They have NOTHING, it's all innuendo, it's all smoke and mirrors, all wishful thinking. Charge him with something or shut up.


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Faith
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Message 3336 of 3477 (866167)
11-06-2019 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 3335 by Taq
11-06-2019 2:04 PM


Re: Impeachable actions by Trump
You've got a list of what, over fifty? allegations. Sorry, but there would have been a charge by now going into impeachment and there is NONE, nothing, nada, zip. Mueller's investigation was the same function as Starr's and Starr came up with eleven CLEAR FELONIES that Clinton could be impeached for, Mueller came up with NONE. They are still ******* and ******* and *******. Nowe we've got this absurd "whistleblower" stuff BECAUSE Mueller didn't come up with anything. Coming up with nothing should have ended impeachment but it didn't because they have been determined to impeach Trump from the beginning and that's why they've been *******, they've never had anything to charge him with. There shouldn't even have been a Mueller investigation because there was no legal reason to have it, there was no crime to investigate. This whole thing is a sham, a ****, a ***** and it is continuing although they STILL have nothing. A long list of who knows what but long long past the point where they should have had something to charge him with.

itnesses have come forward and corroborated the whistleblower account with firsthand knowledge. It's not a ****.

It certainly is. Trump released the transcript of that phone call, no more "witnesses" are needed, you can read the damn thing for yourself, there is nothing in it that they are alleging is in it. The "whistleblower" was a spy in the White House, a Trump *****, put up to it by Schiff, the master Trump *****, didn't hear the phone call himself so how can he blow any whistles anyway? The man worked for Biden. And you guys go on ************* all this stuff away though it is so far out of bounds everybody involved ought to be tarred and feathered and hounded through the streets of Washington.


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DrJones*
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Message 3337 of 3477 (866168)
11-06-2019 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 3336 by Faith
11-06-2019 5:19 PM


Re: Impeachable actions by Trump
There shouldn't even have been a Mueller investigation because there was no legal reason to have it, there was no crime to investigate.

the crime was russian interference in the 2016 election, multiple people connected to said interference have been indicted.

Sorry, but there would have been a charge by now going into impeachment and there is NONE

the articles of impeachment come after the investigation which is still underway.

didn't hear the phone call himself so how can he blow any whistles anyway

first hand knowledge is not a requirement for whistleblowing.

The man worked for Biden.

what evidence do you have for this accusation?

Trump released the transcript of that phone call, no more "witnesses" are needed, you can read the damn thing for yourself, there is nothing in it that they are alleging is in it.

contrary to trump's claims the "transcript" isn't a perfect reproduction of the call, it says right on it that it is based on multiple people's notes and recollections of the call. Witnesses are needed to fill in the gaps and provide information.

edit: here is the link to the "transcript": https://www.whitehouse.gov/...019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf

as you can see right one the first page it states it is not a verbatim record of the conversation.

Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.

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It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
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Faith
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Message 3338 of 3477 (866169)
11-06-2019 6:07 PM
Reply to: Message 3337 by DrJones*
11-06-2019 5:54 PM


Re: Impeachable actions by Trump
the crime was russian interference in the 2016 election, multiple people connected to said interference have been indicted.

NON OF THEM FOR INTERFERENCE IN THE ELECTION, AND THE ONLY INTERFERENCE IN THE ELECTION WAS BY CLINTON AGAINST TRUMP.

THE MUELLER REPORT CONCLUDED THAT THERE WAS NO "RUSSIAN COLLUSION" OR HOWEVER THEY PUT THAT, BY TRUMP OR ANY OF HIS CAMPAIGN WORKERS IN THE ELECTION.


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DrJones*
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Message 3339 of 3477 (866170)
11-06-2019 6:10 PM
Reply to: Message 3338 by Faith
11-06-2019 6:07 PM


Re: Impeachable actions by Trump
NON OF THEM FOR INTERFERENCE IN THE ELECTION,

lie, multiple russians have been indicted for interference.

THE MUELLER REPORT CONCLUDED THAT THERE WAS NO "RUSSIAN COLLUSION" OR HOWEVER THEY PUT THAT, BY TRUMP OR ANY OF HIS CAMPAIGN WORKERS IN THE ELECTION.

they couldn't establish collusion, but that isn't the same as Russian interference. The trump campaign might have been cleared, there was still multiple Russians indicted for interference. Seriously Faith just read the report.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Faith
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Message 3340 of 3477 (866171)
11-06-2019 6:26 PM
Reply to: Message 3339 by DrJones*
11-06-2019 6:10 PM


Re: Impeachable actions by Trump
YES RUSSIANS INTERFERED BUT NOT ON TRUMP'S SIDE AND AGAIN TRUMP AND HIS WORKERS WERE CLEARED OF ANY "COLLUSZION.".

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DrJones*
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Message 3341 of 3477 (866175)
11-06-2019 6:38 PM
Reply to: Message 3340 by Faith
11-06-2019 6:26 PM


Re: Impeachable actions by Trump
YES RUSSIANS INTERFERED BUT NOT ON TRUMP'S SIDE AND AGAIN TRUMP AND HIS WORKERS WERE CLEARED OF ANY "COLLUSZION.".

right so by identifying and indicting said Russians the Mueller investigation carried out it's primary purpose. Thus invalidating your claim that there was no reason for the Mueller investigation, thank you for agreeing with my position that you're full of shit.

edit: also the report concluded that the russian efforts were to help trump's campaign.

Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.


It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Percy
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Message 3342 of 3477 (866176)
11-06-2019 6:38 PM
Reply to: Message 3336 by Faith
11-06-2019 5:19 PM


Re: Impeachable actions by Trump
Faith writes:

Mueller's investigation was the same function as Starr's and Starr came up with eleven CLEAR FELONIES that Clinton could be impeached for, Mueller came up with NONE.

You made this same mistake already, back in October in your Message 3116. See my Message 3156 and read forward to refresh your recollection of the facts.

It certainly is. Trump released the transcript of that phone call, no more "witnesses" are needed, you can read the damn thing for yourself, there is nothing in it that they are alleging is in it.

This reads like you're not keeping up with the news. Even Sondland now agrees there was a quid pro quo, having yesterday filed an addendum to his testimony explaining that he now recalls a discussion with a Ukrainian administration official about American military aid being contingent upon a public Ukrainian investigation into Burisma and the Bidens. Many Republicans now concede that there was a quid pro quo, but add that it doesn't rise to the level of an impeachable offense.

Also, all the attention on a quid pro quo is distracting attention from the fact that simply soliciting foreign assistance against a domestic political opponent is illegal.

--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Correct a wrong word choice.


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Percy
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Message 3343 of 3477 (866177)
11-06-2019 6:56 PM


Balance on the Washington Post Editorial Page
Conservative columnists Marc Thiessen, Henry Olsen, Hugh Hewitt and George Will appear regularly in the Washington Post, on average totaling between 8 and 10 opinion pieces a week. Click on the links for lists of their recent writings.

--Percy


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Faith
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Message 3344 of 3477 (866178)
11-06-2019 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 3342 by Percy
11-06-2019 6:38 PM


Re: Impeachable actions by Trump
Everything I've been hearing is that Sondland DID NOT believe there was a quid pro quo, that has been misunderstood. And yes I know he changed his mind. So what? Why does his opinion or anybody's opinion matter? It's all opinion, meaningless.

You are the one who has everything wrong according to my sources. Trump is right to withhold aid from a nation when there is any suspicion of corruption, and there was nothing wrong with asking for help with the investigation into the 2016 election. And there's so much confusxion about the Biden comment it's hard to be sure what it's all about but nevertheless my sources understand Trrump committed no impropriety there either.

AND WHY WOULD HE RELEASE THE TRANSCRIPT, SO SURE IT SHOWED NO OFFENSES WHATEVER, IF IT DID?


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Faith
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Message 3345 of 3477 (866180)
11-06-2019 6:59 PM
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11-06-2019 6:56 PM


Re: Balance on the Washington Post Editorial Page
Why do you make so much of opinion when what is needed is a clear legal determination.

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