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DrJones*
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Message 3346 of 3426 (866185)
11-06-2019 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 3344 by Faith
11-06-2019 6:57 PM


Re: Impeachable actions by Trump
AND WHY WOULD HE RELEASE THE TRANSCRIPT, SO SURE IT SHOWED NO OFFENSES WHATEVER, IF IT DID?

cause he's not a very smart person.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
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Percy
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Message 3347 of 3426 (866186)
11-06-2019 8:05 PM
Reply to: Message 3344 by Faith
11-06-2019 6:57 PM


Re: Impeachable actions by Trump
Faith writes:

Everything I've been hearing is that Sondland DID NOT believe there was a quid pro quo, that has been misunderstood.

Whoever you're listening to, they're lying to you. Here's a link to a New York Times webpage with Sondland's original and amended testimony. Here are a few excerpts from Sondland's original testimony, just to set the context:

quote:
But I did not understand until much later that Mr. Giuliani's agenda might have also included an effort to prompt the Ukrainians to investigate Vice President Biden or his son, or to involve Ukrainians directly or indirectly in the President's 2020 reelection campaign.
...
I became aware of his [Giuliani's] interest in Burisma sometime in the intervening period, but I never made the connection between Burisma and the Bidens until the very end. That is my testimony. I heard the word "Burisma," but I didn't understand that Biden and Burisma were connected.
...
I don't recall when I finally -- when the light finally went on that Burisma and the Bidens were connected, but certainly not early on at all. I can't tell you the day that finally I said, oh, Burisma equals Biden. I have no idea when that was.

And here are a few excerpts from the amended version:

quote:
Ambassador Taylor recalls that I told Mr. Morrison in early September 2019 that the resumption of U.S. aid to Ukraine had become tied to a public statement to be issued by Ukraine agreeing to investigate Burisma.
...
Also, I now do recall a conversation on September 1, 2019, in Warsaw with Mr. Yermak...I now recall speaking individually with Mr. Yermak, where I said that resumption of U.S. aid would likely not occur until Ukraine provided the public anti-corruption statement that we had been discussing for many weeks.
...
Soon thereafter, I came to understand that, in fact, the public statement would need to come directly from President Zelensky himself.

This brings Sondland's testimony into agreement with the testimony of all the other witnesses that there was a quid pro quo. Sondland still seems somewhat evasive, but it's possible that that's due to his inexperience in international relations. He's actually a hotelier who obtained the ambassadorial appointment through a large donation to Trump's inaugural fund.

And yes I know he changed his mind.

You know that in his initial testimony Sondland said there was no quid pro quo. And you just stated that you know he changed his mind. What are your news sources claiming was misunderstood? I think they might be trying to present a confusion of contradictory information so that you doubt everything you hear. There are facts out there and you can read them yourself - I just gave you the link.

So what? Why does his opinion or anybody's opinion matter? It's all opinion, meaningless.

You're declaring the testimony under oath of various Trump administration officials as to what actually happened to be meaningless opinion? Are Trump's declarations of what happened (more accurately, what he claims didn't happen) also meaningless opinion?

You are the one who has everything wrong according to my sources.

Who are your sources? Provide some links.

Trump is right to withhold aid from a nation when there is any suspicion of corruption,...

Ukraine is known to have a significant corruption problem. Trump specifically requested through his point man Rudy Giuliani that Ukraine investigate Burisma and the Bidens, and that a public announcement of that investigation be made by Ukraine President Zelensky.

...and there was nothing wrong with asking for help with the investigation into the 2016 election.

Trump was informed many times that the conspiracy theories about Ukrainian interference in our 2016 election had been debunked. He apparently chose not to believe this and pursued it anyway.

And there's so much confusion about the Biden comment it's hard to be sure what it's all about...

I don't know what specific Biden comment you mean, but there's no confusion. Rudy Giuliani both directly and through State Department officials pressured the Ukraine to investigate Burisma Holdings and the Bidens and make that investigation public in order to assist in Trump's 2020 reelection campaign by embarrassing Joe Biden politically and (Trump hoped) digging up dirt about him.

...but nevertheless my sources understand Trump committed no impropriety there either.

A quid pro quo of military aid for domestic political assistance is a lot of impropriety.

AND WHY WOULD HE RELEASE THE TRANSCRIPT, SO SURE IT SHOWED NO OFFENSES WHATEVER, IF IT DID?

I don't think Trump is as smart as you think he is, and he has the additional problem that he often deludes himself into believing that what he wishes were true is actually true. He still believes he had the biggest inauguration crowd of all time.

--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Change a pronoun to an actual noun to improve clarity.


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Percy
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Message 3348 of 3426 (866187)
11-06-2019 8:12 PM
Reply to: Message 3345 by Faith
11-06-2019 6:59 PM


Re: Balance on the Washington Post Editorial Page
Faith writes:

Why do you make so much of opinion when what is needed is a clear legal determination.

Look at the message subtitle - my post was completely unrelated to the current impeachment discussion. It harks back to all the accusations in this thread that news sources like the Washington Post are biased and fake news, yet their opinion page includes writings from all points on the political spectrum.

If you click on the links in my message you'll get lists of opinion pieces by these people. You should enjoy reading them because you'll agree with almost everything they say.

--Percy


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Theodoric
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Message 3349 of 3426 (866189)
11-06-2019 11:36 PM
Reply to: Message 3340 by Faith
11-06-2019 6:26 PM


Re: Impeachable actions by Trump
Stop the caps. You look like an idiot.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 3350 of 3426 (866192)
11-07-2019 2:29 AM
Reply to: Message 3349 by Theodoric
11-06-2019 11:36 PM


Re: Impeachable actions by Trump
Stop the caps. You look like an ID10t.

I concur. She needs no extra help.


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Faith
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Message 3351 of 3426 (866195)
11-07-2019 3:02 AM
Reply to: Message 3343 by Percy
11-06-2019 6:56 PM


Re: Balance on the Washington Post Editorial Page
Greorge Will is a Never-Trumper and I'm not familiar with the others but have no reason to accept them as conservatives. It wouldn't in any case save the WP from being a Fake News source.

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Faith
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Message 3352 of 3426 (866196)
11-07-2019 3:03 AM
Reply to: Message 3349 by Theodoric
11-06-2019 11:36 PM


Re: Impeachable actions by Trump
Right I'm an ***** no matter what I say so I might as well use all caps.

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dwise1
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Message 3353 of 3426 (866197)
11-07-2019 3:39 AM
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11-07-2019 3:02 AM


Re: Balance on the Washington Post Editorial Page
It wouldn't in any case save the WP from being a Fake News source.

Except that they deal in facts whereas you only deal in ID10Cy.


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Faith
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Message 3354 of 3426 (866198)
11-07-2019 4:49 AM
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11-07-2019 3:39 AM


Re: Balance on the Washington Post Editorial Page
Actually they don't deal in facts at all, only opinion which they substitute for news.

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Faith
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Message 3355 of 3426 (866200)
11-07-2019 8:00 AM


From the Trump Bashing Thread: "Further Out of Hand"
Message 3575

Trump is making war on our own intelligence community.

I don't think Trump has anything to do with the investigation Barr and Durham are doing. I could be wrong but I think it's just them going where the evidence leads. Yes, the evidence. Evidence. A word much beloved at EvC except when it serves a different ideology.

He and AG Barr are asking foreign governments to help them undermine the credibility of our own intelligence services. The goal is to show that Russia was not the culprit in manipulating the US election.

It isn't news to us on the right that FBI and CIA leaders were involved in the attempt to derail Trump's presidency. Russia was in there too, but doing their own thing.

This is over to top, except it really isn't considering the BS these Putin sycophants have already pulled.

You are just followking the wrong news. The evidence points where Barr is looking.

And the information being requested has **** allies astonished. One British official with knowledge of Barr’s wish list presented to London commented that “it is **** nothing we have come across before, they are basically asking, in quite robust terms, for help in doing a ******* job on their own intelligence services”.

I think the correct terminology is more **** "showing ******** behavior on the part of some of the top names in our own intelligence services. I doubt that the allies are "astonished" frankly, some of them were in on it.

We need to jail this son of a bitch.

You'd be jailing the wrong SOB if you did.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Faith
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Message 3356 of 3426 (866202)
11-07-2019 8:12 AM
Reply to: Message 3355 by Faith
11-07-2019 8:00 AM


Re: From the Trump Bashing Thread: "Further Out of Hand"
I hope hope hope you all wake up eventually. I just saw the post on the Trump Bashing Thread about how Barr is ***** to protect Trump. The exact opposite is the truth. The Democrats are doing their best to undermine Barr's investigation, cast doubt on it, call him the liar and so on, to cover up the fact that he's onto the truth and if he succeeds some big big heads are going to roll. This is politics though so their defenders may circle the wagons and save them, but they are the ****** ones, not Trump. This investigation is about what Hillary did, her crimes, and the people who helped her, much of it in the service of bringing down Trump.

MAY ALL THE TRUTH COME OUT.


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Percy
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Message 3357 of 3426 (866205)
11-07-2019 8:43 AM
Reply to: Message 3319 by Percy
11-06-2019 9:45 AM


Re: Another Insulting Trump Tweet
Still no matching insults/attacks posted by Faith or Marc, so I'll just post another Trump attack/insult, this one from last night's Louisiana rally:

quote:
Now corrupt politicians Nancy Pelosi and shifty Adam Schiff and the crooked media have launched the deranged, delusional, destructive and hyperpartisan impeachment witch hunt.

Attacks/insults score so far: Trump: 4; Democrats: 0

--Percy


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Faith
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Message 3358 of 3426 (866207)
11-07-2019 8:49 AM
Reply to: Message 3357 by Percy
11-07-2019 8:43 AM


Re: Another Insulting Trump Tweet
Gosh he's good, he really nailed it. By the way "Shifty Schiff" is pretty standard on the right wing circuit.

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Faith
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Message 3359 of 3426 (866208)
11-07-2019 9:08 AM


more from the TBthread.
the next one on the Trump Bashing thread from AZ:
Only recourse is to widely expose the lies and the liars to subject them to public shame.

We are certainly trying here on the right, to expose the lies on the ****. Full time occupation, I'm glad there are a lot of people working on it,


  
Percy
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Message 3360 of 3426 (866209)
11-07-2019 9:15 AM
Reply to: Message 3351 by Faith
11-07-2019 3:02 AM


Re: Balance on the Washington Post Editorial Page
Faith writes:

Greorge Will is a Never-Trumper...

George Will is a true conservative and Trump is not. Are you a conservative or a Trumper?

...and I'm not familiar with the others but have no reason to accept them as conservatives.

That's because you refused to inform yourself by clicking on any of the links. Let me provide you just one link, this one to an opinion piece by Hugh Hewitt in today's Washington Post: The Senate must not legitimize the House’s sham impeachment

It wouldn't in any case save the WP from being a Fake News source.

You say things like this over and over but when challenged are never able to provide any examples of news that is fake. Your actual objections appear to be to accurate reporting of the facts and any article that lacks sycophantic fawning over Trump.

By the way, can you find any liberal opinion pieces over at Fox News or Breitbart?

--Percy


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