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Faith
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Message 3361 of 3477 (866210)
11-07-2019 9:22 AM
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11-07-2019 9:15 AM


Re: Balance on the Washington Post Editorial Page
Fox News often has liberal stuff, I don't think Breitbart does.

The people who say Will is a never Trumper consider Trump to be a conservative. Will may be for the most part but being a Never Trumper puts him on the enemy side.

Hugh Hewitt in today's Washington Post: The Senate must not ********** the House’s **** impeachment

Sounds good, certainly the right opinion.


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Percy
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Message 3362 of 3477 (866211)
11-07-2019 10:24 AM
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11-07-2019 9:22 AM


Re: Balance on the Washington Post Editorial Page
Faith writes:

Fox News often has liberal stuff, I don't think Breitbart does.

An opinion piece in Fox News that isn't pro-Trump is not automatically liberal. The only opinion pieces at Fox News that don't support Trump are written by Judge Andrew Napolitano, and he's a conservative with a penchant for conspiracy theories.

I searched the Fox News opinion page and I could find no others who oppose Trump or write from a liberal perspective. Here's today's Napolitano opinion piece: Trump should’ve known seeking foreign political aid is a crime

The people who say Will is a never Trumper consider Trump to be a conservative. Will may be for the most part but being a Never Trumper puts him on the enemy side.

Well, then you're a Trumper, not a conservative.

Trump is not a conservative. Politically he's more of a mutt and an opportunist. He has adopted some conservative positions, such as on the 2nd amendment, anti-abortion, low taxes and a strong military, but he also has some decidedly unconservative positions, such as very large deficits, buddying up to dictators, weakening alliances with allies, and antagonism toward free trade, instead advocating tariffs. Trump views trade as a weapon for beating other countries into submission.

Hugh Hewitt in today's Washington Post: The Senate must not legitimize the House’s sham impeachment

Sounds good, certainly the right opinion.

There's lots more where that came from. Try Democrats are violating every standard of due process. It will backfire. by Marc Thiessen.

Could you drop your continuous sniping about fake news? All one can ask of a news source is that its reporting be accurate, fair and balanced, and all the major outlets seem to do a pretty good job of that. Breitbart is not a major news outlet and does not do a good job of that. Radio and TV personalities like Rush Limbaugh, Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity are not news reporters - they are opinion commentators, and often not very accurate or honest ones.

--Percy


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Message 3363 of 3477 (866214)
11-07-2019 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 3344 by Faith
11-06-2019 6:57 PM


Re: Impeachable actions by Trump
Faith writes:

And yes I know he changed his mind. So what? Why does his opinion or anybody's opinion matter? It's all opinion, meaningless.

Sondland wasn't giving his opinion. He was detailing what he actually said to the Ukranian government, that US aid depended on them publicly announcing investigations of the Bidens. He was describing facts.

This further corroborates other testimony by other witnesses. Watching you try to avoid these facts only confirms just how guilty Trump really is. If Trump did nothing wrong, then you wouldn't have to try to ignore what the witnesses are saying.

And there's so much confusxion about the Biden comment it's hard to be sure what it's all about but nevertheless my sources understand Trrump committed no impropriety there either.

If Trump shot someone in the face on 5th Avenue your sources would say that Trump did nothing wrong. That's why this is so scary. The Cult of Trump has reached the point where their leader can do no wrong, no matter what he does.


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Taq
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Message 3364 of 3477 (866218)
11-07-2019 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 3336 by Faith
11-06-2019 5:19 PM


Re: Impeachable actions by Trump
Faith writes:

Sorry, but there would have been a charge by now going into impeachment and there is NONE, nothing, nada, zip.

The Congressional Inquiry started on September 24, 2019. That's a month and a half ago.

How long did Ken Starr investigate Clinton?

quote:
The Starr Report, officially the Referral from Independent Counsel Kenneth W. Starr in Conformity with the Requirement of Title 28, United States Code, Section 595(c), is a United States federal government report by Independent Counsel Ken Starr concerning his investigation of President Bill Clinton. Delivered to the United States Congress on September 9, 1998, the allegations in the report led to the impeachment of Bill Clinton and the five-year suspension of Clinton's law license.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starr_Report

4 years for the impeachment investigation into Clinton. How about Nixon?

quote:
An impeachment process against Richard Nixon began in the United States House of Representatives on October 30, 1973, following the "Saturday Night Massacre" episode of the Watergate scandal. The House Judiciary Committee set up an impeachment inquiry staff and began investigations into possible impeachable offenses by Richard Nixon, the 37th President of the United States. The process was formally initiated on February 6, 1974, when the House granted its Judiciary Committee authority to investigate whether sufficient grounds existed to impeach President Nixon[2] of high crimes and misdemeanors, primarily related to Watergate. This investigation was undertaken one year after the United States Senate established a select committee to investigate the 1972 break-in at the Democratic National Committee headquarters at the Watergate office complex in Washington, D.C., and the Nixon Administration's attempted cover-up of its involvement.

Following a subpoena from the Judiciary Committee, in April 1974 edited transcripts of many Watergate-related conversations from the Nixon White House tapes were made public by Nixon, but the committee pressed for full tapes and additional conversations. Nixon refused, but on July 24, the U.S. Supreme Court ordered him to comply. On July 27, 29, and 30, 1974, the Committee approved three articles of impeachment against Nixon, for obstruction of justice, abuse of power, and contempt of Congress, and reported those articles to the House of Representatives. Two other articles of impeachment were debated but not approved. At this point Congressional leaders believed that there were more than the necessary majority of votes to impeach Nixon in the House and that the number of who would vote to convict him in the Senate was approaching the necessary two-thirds mark.
https://en.wikipedia.org/...nt_process_against_Richard_Nixon


2 years for the investigation into Nixon.

Now, can you please tell us why, after less than 2 months, the House should have brought charges against Trump when it took multiple years for the last two impeachment investigations?


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Message 3365 of 3477 (866224)
11-07-2019 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 3364 by Taq
11-07-2019 11:48 AM


Way over someone's head
You used NUMBERS! 2 and 4!!! You gave facts!!!
This is all much to complicated for your audience to grasp.

You have heard the old saying:
"Arguing with a fool only proves there are two."


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Message 3366 of 3477 (866227)
11-07-2019 1:36 PM
Reply to: Message 3357 by Percy
11-07-2019 8:43 AM


Re: Another Insulting Trump Tweet
Another Trump attack/insult tweet, plus, if history is any guide, he's lying:

Current attacks/insults score: Trump: 5; Democrats: 0

Hey, Faith and Marc, come on, get with it. You claim over and over that when Trump attacks someone or is insulting that he's only responding to media and Democrat attacks and insults - where are they?

--Percy


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Message 3367 of 3477 (866228)
11-07-2019 3:37 PM


Trump is a crook (again)

Note the blue tick - the account is authenticated by Twitter.

No doubt this is why Trump moaned about New York - he was being held to account for his misdeeds. Which is no surprise to anyone.

BBC report.

Edited by PaulK, : Added link to BBC report


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Message 3368 of 3477 (866229)
11-07-2019 3:47 PM


The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
Rudy Giuliani admits it:

And we do have to wonder just what charges Giuliani thought he was defending against. Trump is immune from prosecution, while President, and he has not been charged with anything relating to the Russian interference in the US elections.


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Faith
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Message 3369 of 3477 (866230)
11-08-2019 12:40 AM
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11-07-2019 3:37 PM


Re: Trump is a crook (again)
O blithering nonsense. That kind of thing goes on every day against Trump and none of it ever amounts to anything. I certainly doubt that he ever "admitted" to "illegally" doing anything and of course it's just the usual unsupported claim. Mueller would have found any illegal intervention into the 2016 election on his own behalf and nothing of course was found, zip, nada. Hillary on the other hand was up to her eyeballs in such interference.

MAY ALL THE TRUTH COME OUT.


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Faith
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Message 3370 of 3477 (866231)
11-08-2019 12:47 AM
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11-07-2019 3:47 PM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
Rudy Giuliani writes:

The investigation I conducted concerning 2016 Ukrainian collusion and corruption, was done solely as a defense attorney to defend my client against false charges, that kept changing as one after another were disproven.

My guess would be that he wasn't using the term "charges" in the legally exact sense, which is clear from the statement that they kept "changing," which doesn't happen to legal charges, so he was merely referring to the endless smear campaign of allegations against Trump, that HAVE kept changing as one after another proves to be invalid. Ukraine DID collude against Trump in that election, and that contradicts all those allegations. Trump did nothing, but there was certainly collusion against him, as there has been on a daily basis every moment since then.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 3371 of 3477 (866232)
11-08-2019 12:56 AM
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11-08-2019 12:40 AM


Re: Trump is a crook (again)
I certainly doubt that he ever "admitted" to "illegally" doing anything

https://www.foxnews.com/...on-funds-in-settlement-with-ny-ag

As part of the settlement, Trump admitted to misusing Trump Foundation funds

misusing charitable funds is illegal.

course it's just the usual unsupported claim.

that was from the AG of New York Faith, the person who brought the case against the trump foundation. it's not an unsupported claim, there was an actual trial that Trump just agreed to settle.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
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Faith
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Message 3372 of 3477 (866233)
11-08-2019 12:57 AM


The usual twisted ideological ****** misapplied to the good guys
Happened to hear some of Sebastian Gorka's program tonight where he was describing the mistreatment of his own daughter at the school she had been attending, right up to her graduation. She's been called a white supremacist for simply being white, and a Nazi and so on, by the unconscionable ideologues on her campus. I think I'd have yanked her out of that school and put her somewhere safer myself and I don't know why Gorka didn't do something **** that but anyway the story continued. He was there for her graduation when another young woman came up to him and extended her hand to him asking if he was Sebastian Gorka, to which he said he was, at which point she denounced him as a vile Nazi because he'd worked in the Trump administration and is a conservative. Being a hothead myself I might have slapped her into the next millennium and found myself sitting in jail, but Gorka did nothing. He's used to such evil behavior on the part of Trump's ideological opponents. Such lovely people.

He decided nevertheless to walk over to her and denounce her in turn for calling someone a Nazi who had endured Nazi occupation in his native Hungary.

This country is well on its way to Hell in a handbasket and how dare you all accuse the right of that.


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Message 3373 of 3477 (866234)
11-08-2019 12:58 AM
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11-08-2019 12:40 AM


Re: Trump is a crook (again)
Misusing funds on that scale goes on every day ? And that makes it right ? A court decision is an “unsupported claim” ?

And Mueller wasn’t focussed on Trump’s own financial misconduct.


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Faith
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Message 3374 of 3477 (866235)
11-08-2019 12:59 AM
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11-08-2019 12:56 AM


Re: Trump is a crook (again)
Oh good, they finally found something. If you look hard enough you'll find something anyone is ****** of. Probably even you.

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Message 3375 of 3477 (866236)
11-08-2019 1:00 AM
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11-08-2019 12:47 AM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
If it isn’t actual legal charges, what’s an attorney doing running an investigation?

quote:
Ukraine DID collude against Trump in that election, and that contradicts all those allegations

Wrong. It doesn’t contradict any allegations against Trump.

And you still ignore the point that this is a private investigation- not an official one.


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