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Faith
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Message 3376 of 3477 (866237)
11-08-2019 1:04 AM
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11-08-2019 1:00 AM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
Trump is endlessly accused of meddling in the election. Since he did not but Ukraine and Hillary did, that contradicts those allegations against Trump.

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Faith
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Message 3377 of 3477 (866238)
11-08-2019 1:08 AM
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11-08-2019 12:58 AM


Re: Trump is a crook (again)
Mueller was focused on ANYTHING at all he could find to skewer Trump with concerning election interference. It was Mueller of course, it was his henchmen who were the actual actors in the investigation since Mueller was not ******** up to the task and acted only as a figurehead.

I know it is too much to ask that you read in context so I won't.


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Faith
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Message 3378 of 3477 (866239)
11-08-2019 1:09 AM
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11-08-2019 1:00 AM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
It contradicts them because from the beginning the swhole effort has been to smear Trump with misdeeds committed by his opponents.

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PaulK
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Message 3379 of 3477 (866240)
11-08-2019 1:18 AM
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11-08-2019 1:08 AM


Re: Trump is a crook (again)
quote:
Mueller was focused on ANYTHING at all he could find to skewer Trump with concerning election interference.

Nope. Mueller was concerned with Russian interference in the election, and Trump’s attempts to obstruct that investigation. Anything else that happened to turn up got passed on to other agencies.

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I know it is too much to ask that you read in context so I won't.

I know that it is too much to ask that you to not make hypocritical and false insinuations. But I still consider you amoral scum for doing it.


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PaulK
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Message 3380 of 3477 (866241)
11-08-2019 1:20 AM
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11-08-2019 1:09 AM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
quote:
It contradicts them because from the beginning the swhole effort has been to smear Trump with misdeeds committed by his opponents

In other words it doesn’t contradict them but you want to smear Trump’s opponents with misdeeds committed by the Trump campaign.


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PaulK
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Message 3381 of 3477 (866242)
11-08-2019 1:22 AM
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11-08-2019 1:04 AM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
quote:
Trump is endlessly accused of meddling in the election.

Nope. Trump is - correctly - accused of benefitting from Russian interference in the election.

quote:
Since he did not but Ukraine and Hillary did, that contradicts those allegations against Trump.

You do realise that ignorantly making things up is a silly idea ?


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Faith
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Message 3382 of 3477 (866244)
11-08-2019 6:02 AM
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11-08-2019 1:22 AM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
Russian meddling was on the side of Hillary, not Trump, and the Ukrainian meddling did actually benefit Hillary. This is the actual truth that has been turned on its head in the neverending Democrat attempt to pull off a coup against Trump that started even before he got into office. Nothing do do, then, with anything he did to deserve any of this, it's all political, based on sheer ****** for the man.

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PaulK
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Message 3383 of 3477 (866245)
11-08-2019 6:13 AM
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11-08-2019 6:02 AM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
quote:
Russian meddling was on the side of Hillary, not Trump, and the Ukrainian meddling did actually benefit Hillary.

The Russian meddling was in favour of Trump.

quote:
This is the actual truth that has been turned on its head in the neverending Democrat attempt to pull off a coup against Trump that started even before he got into office.

There is no evidence of any coup attempt. Even if Trump were impeached and removed from office Pence would take over. And there would have to be significant support from Republicans for that.

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Nothing do do, then, with anything he did to deserve any of this, it's all political, based on sheer ****** for the man.

Oh it’s all political all right. According to you Giuliani’s investigation was political. And Trump was using his position to try to get the Ukrainian government to help. So here you are trying to blame the Democrats to divert from the issue.


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Percy
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Message 3384 of 3477 (866246)
11-08-2019 7:19 AM
Reply to: Message 3361 by Faith
11-07-2019 9:22 AM


Re: Balance on the Washington Post Editorial Page
There's an opinion writer at the conservative Washington Examiner who is not pro-Trump and who seems to lean a little left of center, Tiana Lowe. Here's is the key portion of her piece from today's Examiner website: Giuliani: Ukraine quid pro quo intended to benefit Trump personally:

quote:
At every point, the core argument Trump has needed to make is that presidents initiate quid pro quos all the time, not for their personal political interests, but for that of the people they're elected to serve.

But Rudy Giuliani might have just blown up whatever remains of that defense.

Here, the president's personal attorney has conceded that he used formal diplomatic channels and the powers of the Oval Office to prioritize Trump's personal gain over that of the people.


--Percy


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Percy
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Message 3385 of 3477 (866247)
11-08-2019 8:29 AM
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11-08-2019 12:57 AM


Re: The usual twisted ideological hatred misapplied to the good guys
Either you've garbled the story or Gorka is now telling a different story.

As originally told it wasn't Gorka's daughter who Gorka claimed was called a Nazi but himself while attending his daughter's graduation at Trinity College in Connecticut. It wasn't Gorka who "endured Nazi occupation" (he wasn't born until 1970) but his parents. Gorka himself was born in the UK. His academic credentials have been called into question, see for example Stop Calling Him 'Dr.': The Academic Fraud of Sebastian Gorka, Trump’s Terrorism 'Expert'.

--Percy


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Theodoric
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Message 3386 of 3477 (866248)
11-08-2019 8:41 AM
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11-08-2019 12:57 AM


Re: The usual twisted ideological hatred misapplied to the good guys
Sebastian Gorka's

Faith, if you are going to listen to and treat what a Nazi, white supremacist says as credible than you should not find it a surprise when people accuse you of being racist scum(I am just using the same words as your new savior).
called a white supremacist for simply being white, and a Nazi

Well if you're a Nazi you should be called a white supremacist.

Always find it telling that you wingnuts attack any immigrants with brown skin, but readily embrace white, pro-nazi immigrants like this unAmerican piece of shit.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 3387 of 3477 (866249)
11-08-2019 8:46 AM
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11-08-2019 6:02 AM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
But like rudy and donnie, you have no evidence of this. All you have are rightwing, alt-right conspiracy theories with absolutely not facts to back them.

If you had actual evidence I am sure the GOP would love to trot it out for all to see. You should contact Rep. Jim Jordan with the evidence. Here is his office phone number.
(202) 225-2676
Give him a call.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 3388 of 3477 (866250)
11-08-2019 8:48 AM
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11-08-2019 8:29 AM


Re: The usual twisted ideological hatred misapplied to the good guys
It is hard to keep stories straight when they are all ****. The GOP is learning that lesson right now.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 3389 of 3477 (866252)
11-08-2019 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 3362 by Percy
11-07-2019 10:24 AM


Limbaugh felony betrayal of whistleblower identity
... All one can ask of a news source is that its reporting be accurate, fair and balanced, and all the major outlets seem to do a pretty good job of that. Breitbart is not a major news outlet and does not do a good job of that. Radio and TV personalities like Rush Limbaugh, Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity are not news reporters - they are opinion commentators, and often not very accurate or honest ones.

Limbaugh apparently thinks (a) he knows the whistleblowers identity and (b) that it's okay to publish it.

The ultimate ad hominem is to literally shoot the messenger instead of dealing with the message: Trumpty committed an impeachable act in asking a foreign government to help his campaign.

But apparently he is the third "candidate" that has been discussed as a possible whistleblower. No one is confirmed yet to be the actual whistleblower.

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Message 3390 of 3477 (866255)
11-08-2019 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 3382 by Faith
11-08-2019 6:02 AM


Re: The Ukraine Investigation was NOT official
Faith writes:

Russian meddling was on the side of Hillary, not Trump,

Whose emails were hacked? Who were the Russian ads attacking?


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