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Faith 
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Message 3796 of 5796 (868315)
12-10-2019 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 3794 by DrJones*
12-10-2019 4:04 PM


Re: Parody?
Yes trump's words are sacred text! To mock them is to mock the god-king himself! death to the unbelievers!
pretty strange that respect for the president is only important when it's a white/orange man in the position.
How dare you! HOW DARE YOU! ANY President's actual words are "sacred" as are any human being's for that matter. Making it appear that a person said something he did not say is an enormous offense against justice, and if he's the President of the United States who represents the entire country it's an enormous office against justice that undermines our Constitutional government and our American insitutions.
HOW DARE YOU Don't you dare answer this unlessw it's to apolotgize.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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PaulK
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Message 3797 of 5796 (868316)
12-10-2019 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 3796 by Faith
12-10-2019 4:15 PM


Re: Parody?
quote:
Making it appear that a person said something he did not say is an enormous offense against justice
Obviously you fail to understand the concept of parody.
But I’m sure that the real reason you’re angry is that Schiff accurately represented the subtext of the conversation.

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DrJones*
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Message 3798 of 5796 (868317)
12-10-2019 4:30 PM
Reply to: Message 3796 by Faith
12-10-2019 4:15 PM


Re: Parody?
HOW DARE YOU Don't you dare answer this unlessw it's to apolotgize.
oh fuck off. Do you really think you've set some kind of moral example that would lead me or anyone else to take a rebuke from you seriously?
Making it appear that a person said something he did not say is an enormous offense against justice,
it's called freedom of speech, look into it sometime.
...the President of the United States who represents the entire country it's an enormous office against justice that undermines our Constitutional government and our American insitutions.
again this seems to only apply when it's a white/orange man in the oval office

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Faith 
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Message 3799 of 5796 (868318)
12-10-2019 4:51 PM
Reply to: Message 3793 by JonF
12-10-2019 3:58 PM


Re: Parody?
I'm not allowed to say what should be said here.
The First Amendment does not allow misrepresenting people, don't care what twisted rationbalizatiobn you make about that.
All kinds of laws have been broken in this impeachement and the wntire witch hunrt. I can only hope it will all come out soon.

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Faith 
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Message 3800 of 5796 (868319)
12-10-2019 4:52 PM
Reply to: Message 3798 by DrJones*
12-10-2019 4:30 PM


Re: Parody?
Where are you getting that miserable accusation? When were Obama's words paradied? When were his words misrepreswented in an official capacity>
Freedo9mk of speech? You are talking about libel, yhou are talking about cgharactedr assassination. There is no esuch freedom.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 3801 of 5796 (868320)
12-10-2019 4:59 PM
Reply to: Message 3787 by Percy
12-10-2019 12:55 PM


Re: Remarkable Cross Examination by Reprentative Swalwell
I'm going to have to deal with this travesty of an interview bit by bit.
"Mr. Goldman would you welcome the problem of having eight thousand documents to deal with from the White House?"
That's the first question. What kind of excuse for a question is that? "Would you welcome?" Who cares what he would "welcome?" What does that have to do with the legal questions?
This is just one tiny bit of evidence of the screaming violation of all principles of justice that are being indulged in this sham of a hearing.
I'll have to come back to this later.
Edited by Admin, : Fix typos.

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DrJones*
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Message 3802 of 5796 (868321)
12-10-2019 5:06 PM
Reply to: Message 3800 by Faith
12-10-2019 4:52 PM


Re: Parody?
You are talking about libel, yhou are talking about cgharactedr assassination. There is no esuch freedom.
sure there is. There are many valid defenses against a claim of libel/slander.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Percy
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Message 3803 of 5796 (868326)
12-10-2019 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 3799 by Faith
12-10-2019 4:51 PM


Re: Parody?
Faith writes:
The First Amendment does not allow misrepresenting people, don't care what twisted rationbalizatiobn you make about that.
Realliy? What about, for a recent example, Elon Musk wins defamation trial over ‘pedo’ remarks | Engadget?
--Percy

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Theodoric
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Message 3804 of 5796 (868327)
12-10-2019 5:56 PM
Reply to: Message 3796 by Faith
12-10-2019 4:15 PM


Re: Parody?
LOL. What a maroon.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Percy
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Message 3805 of 5796 (868329)
12-10-2019 6:18 PM
Reply to: Message 3801 by Faith
12-10-2019 4:59 PM


Re: Remarkable Cross Examination by Reprentative Swalwell
Faith writes:
"Mr. Goldman would you welcome the problem of having eight thousand documents to deal with from the White House?"
That's the first question. What kind of excuse for a question is that? "Would you welcome?" Who cares what he would "welcome?" What does that have to do with the legal questions?
Probably earlier in the session, before Representative Swalwell had the floor, Mr. Castor, the Republican lawyer, had stated that reviewing 8000 documents would represent a significant burden for House staff. Representative Swalwell's question to Mr. Goldman, the Democratic lawyer, was likely just a followup to that.
--Percy

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JonF
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Message 3806 of 5796 (868331)
12-10-2019 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 3799 by Faith
12-10-2019 4:51 PM


Re: Parody?
First Amendment does not allow misrepresenting people, don't care what twisted rationbalizatiobn you make about that.
Depending on circumstances, it sometimes does allow misrepresenting someone. Especially public figures like Trump. Misrepresentation is OK when it's clearly labeled as such, and a reasonable person would not be fooled into thinking they were Trump’s words. Schiff's parody meets that test.
All kinds of laws have been broken in this impeachement and the wntire witch hunrt.
Wait, wait, don't tell me... you can't name a single specific broken law. (Remember right to confront and question the accuser doesn't apply for the several reasons previously posted.)
  • impeachment is not a criminal matter, which is what the Sixth Amendment covers.
  • What's happened so far is not a prosecution, it's an investigation. Representation at Investigative meetings is never required and rarely appropriate.
  • The whistleblower is not one of the witnesses against Trump. Trump’s culpability has been solidly established by people with more direct and complete knowledge.
I can only hope it will all come out soon.
Rejoice! It's all out!

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JonF
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Message 3807 of 5796 (868332)
12-10-2019 7:33 PM
Reply to: Message 3805 by Percy
12-10-2019 6:18 PM


Re: Remarkable Cross Examination by Reprentative Swalwell
Exactly right. It's at 1:38:02 in the C-Span video and transcript. Can't embed.

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Faith 
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Message 3808 of 5796 (868336)
12-10-2019 8:27 PM
Reply to: Message 3806 by JonF
12-10-2019 7:13 PM


Re: Parody?
Depending on circumstances, it sometimes does allow misrepresenting someone. Especially public figures like Trump. Misrepresentation is OK when it's clearly labeled as such, and a reasonable person would not be fooled into thinking they were Trump’s words. Schiff's parody meets that test.
It was NOT clearly labeled. That was something he came up with after he was called on it. He presented it as if that is what TTrump actually said and that is why it is such a horrific offrense. It was not a comedy routine in which it would be obvious, it was in an official governmental capacity. Don't defend this miscreant, he deserves impeachment whereas Trump does not. Schiff has been out to get Trump for all the last two and a half years and has misrepresented the situation all along, for instance by constantly claiming that this or that condemns Trump, he's about to go down, they're going to get him now and so on and so forth. Schiff should be impeached or charged with some kind of criminal misconduct because he's guilty of far more offenses than Trump and if you think anything Trump has done is actually criminal, which is ridiculous, Schiff has done far worse. He and Pelosi have abused power and obstructed justice time after time after time in ways Trum simply has not. It's all made up against Trump, and intoned in oh-so-lofty tones that are pure disgusting hypocrisy. The lot of them should be thrown out of Congress.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 3809 of 5796 (868338)
12-10-2019 8:30 PM
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12-10-2019 6:18 PM


Re: Remarkable Cross Examination by Reprentative Swalwell
So what? The point was to highlight the fact that the White House offered none, without the slightest concern about the White House's legal position or reasons for so doing. They were withholding information because the impeachment hearingzs are a disgustintg travesty of justice.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 3810 of 5796 (868339)
12-10-2019 8:32 PM
Reply to: Message 3803 by Percy
12-10-2019 5:33 PM


Re: Parody?
I am not familiar with the Musk situation you are referring to.

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