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Percy
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Message 391 of 2838 (845462)
12-16-2018 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 370 by Faith
12-15-2018 2:55 PM


Re: NRe: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
Faith writes:

NONE of the connections with Russia by ANYBODY amounted to "wrongdoing." That's all lying Leftistspeak.

Some of the charges Michael Cohen pled guilty to were related to lying to Congress about his business negotiations with Russia to build a Trump Tower in Moscow, some of them occurring during the campaign.

If the payoffs occurred in 2014 rather than 2015 there is no connection with the campaign whatever.

Rush Limbaugh has his dates wrong concerning Karen McDougal. AMI purchased the rights to her story on August 5, 2016. Michael Cohen purchased Stormy Daniels silence a couple weeks before the 2016 election.

But if Trump ever paid off anyone before the campaign anyway there is no connection, it's clearly a personal thing.

Michael Cohen and David Pecker have both stated that Trump ordered the payoffs out of concern for the election. Alan Weisselberg (CFO of the Trump Organization) has likely said the same thing to the Mueller investigation.

You want to believe he committed crimes and the media feed you that line every day and you swallow it happily but there is no actual evidence for criminal activity whatever.

We haven't seen affidavits or testimony yet concerning the payoffs, but we do have clear statements from Cohen and Pecker, then there's that tape, plus Mueller hasn't completed his investigation or submitted his report yet.

There is nothing frantic about the Right wing answers to these lies. It's reasonable thoughtful commentary. Unlike the endless stream of slimy innuendo from the Left.

This "reasonable thoughtful commentary" sure does seem to get you worked up about things that aren't true. Maybe this video of Jeanine Pirro will calm you down, I've cued it up where she really gets going about immigrants. Enjoy:

--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Typos.


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Percy
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Message 392 of 2838 (845463)
12-16-2018 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 372 by Faith
12-15-2018 3:07 PM


Re: The Faith Fact Checker
Faith writes:

You're referring to Obama deporting more illegal immigrants than Trump. But the actual concern is Trump's punitive treatment of immigrants, both illegal and those simply seeking asylum, such as family separation.

No I am talking about the punitive treatment, including separation of children from parents, that was SOP under OBAMA.

You seem to be trying to outdo yourself making stuff up. There was no family separation under Obama. While Obama deported more illegal immigrants than Trump, he didn't engage in the reprehensible practices engaged in by the Trump administration, such as putting the DACA applicants in limbo, deporting long time illegal immigrants with families, and using meetings with immigration officials as opportunities to make arrests. We're going to have to give you four Pinocchios again:

I admit I'm not good at this sort of discussion,...

You mean the fact-based kind of discussion? No kidding. You've worked hard at avoiding facts across a broad range of topics for years. I'm going to rate this dead true:

...I find it hard to keep information in mind, and I wish there were others here who would support me.

Why would anyone support the things you make up?

Marc9000 usually does a pretty good job but he's not always around and I don't know of anyone else.

Marc9000 has as poor a mastery of facts as yourself.

In any case the Leftist line that is pursued here is a pack of lies and needs to be confronted.

When anyone says anything untrue I would suggest that the best way to confront it would be with accurate and correct information. What you're doing now is just making stuff up and calling the left names.

--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Grammar.


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Percy
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Message 393 of 2838 (845465)
12-16-2018 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 375 by Faith
12-15-2018 3:16 PM


Re: The Faith Fact Checker
Faith writes:

Collusion with Russia is far more true of Obama and the Clintons than of Trump?

Certainly true of the Clintons, yes. Uranium deal while Bill was getting hundreds of thousands for a talk there.

I've long complained about politicians cashing in after they leave office with speaking tours, but the Uranium One deal was on the up-and-up, approved by almost all the cabinet offices. Hillary Clinton's State office was just one of many cabinet offices approving the deal.

Hillary should have been prosecuted for her email fraud but got a pass on that...

Except Hillary didn't commit fraud. She violated security protocols and deleted emails. Ironically it was State Department computers that got hacked, not Clinton's email server.

...we can be sure Trump would never get.

If you've been reading the posts here then you've seen I've posted on several occasions that while some of Trump's actions may rise to the level of impeachable offenses that it's still a political decision about whether impeachment is called for. If the House declines to impeach then that would qualify as Trump receiving a pass.

Poor Ivanka who did nothing remotely like what Hillary did they've tried to smear with that crime.

How is Ivanka using a private email server not the same as what Hillary did?

No you aren't following evidence, but I'll give you that you think you are. You are following Leftist insinuations.

If you think any of the information I've provided is incorrect then you are free to provide better information. So far you've provided nothing of substance, just empty denials.

--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Typos.


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Faith
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Message 394 of 2838 (845471)
12-16-2018 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 393 by Percy
12-16-2018 10:18 AM


Re: The Faith Fact Checker
If you think any of the information I've provided is incorrect then you are free to provide better information. So far you've provided nothing of substance, just empty denials.

You don't offer any real support for your "information" though you are requiring me to be able to answer it with more substance than your own hot air? All you are doing is asserting your views but in your mind they are facts and mine are not without any need to prove it beyond preferring your own sources to mine. I'll go with my sources for now, thanks anyway.

And by the way, "Pinocchio" is a way of calling me a liar since Pinocchio's nose grew when he lied, so no, you are not just saying I'm wrong. You are wrong that I'm wrong anyway, since you are just offering your own opinion against mine, but beyond that you ARE calling me a liar with that Pinocchio theme.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Faith
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Message 395 of 2838 (845472)
12-16-2018 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 393 by Percy
12-16-2018 10:18 AM


Re: The Faith Fact Checker
If you've been reading the posts here then you've seen I've posted on several occasions that while some of Trump's actions may rise to the level of impeachable offenses.

There are no impeachable offenses except in the fevered minds of Leftists.


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Percy
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Message 396 of 2838 (845474)
12-16-2018 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 380 by Faith
12-15-2018 3:44 PM


Faith replying to JonF writes:

What recordings? Of what? I don't believe a thing you say.

Do you not listen to any interviews of Trump? He called Cohen's recording of him disgusting. Do you not listen to any interviews of Trump's now lawyer Rudolph Giuliani? He called Cohen's recording of Trump an act reflecting distrust. Do you not pay attention to the news? The recording was plastered and played all over the place when it first became public around the end of July. You are just stumbling around in the dark in a position of utter ignorance refusing to believe fact after fact . I couldn't find anything with just the tape, but here's a brief news story about it that plays all of it with brief analysis between each portion:

What public record? Google has 2015 not 2016, why should any of that be believed? I'm going witn Limbaugh for the time being.

What Google search are you doing and where did it direct you that is telling you it is 2015? It's August 5, 2016. See, for one, Karen McDougal's Affair with Donald Trump:

quote:
McDougal later met with investigative reporters from ABC News, which prompted American Media to offer to buy the rights to McDougal's story for $150,000 in August 5, 2016.

Or try this from just a few days ago from Bloomberg's article Tabloid Company’s Admission Shows New Peril for Trump’s Circle:

quote:
One deal was struck on Aug. 5, 2016, when AMI agreed to acquire the “limited life rights” of McDougal -- identified in the agreement as a “model and actress” -- including her story of her relationships with “any then-married man” in exchange for $150,000. That amount was substantially more than the company would otherwise pay because of Cohen’s assurances to Pecker that AMI would be “substantially reimbursed.”

This story also describes AMI's (publisher of the National Enquirer) and David Pecker's (chief officer of AMI) agreement with Mueller to avoid prosecution in return for cooperation for three years.

It isn't a debate if you bring no information to the table, refuse to inform yourself, and then just stymie all discussion by rejecting all information provided to you.

--Percy


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Percy
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Message 397 of 2838 (845477)
12-16-2018 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 382 by Faith
12-15-2018 4:05 PM


Re: A Few Books
Faith writes:

1. I've heard a few interviews with Jerome Corsi about his experience of being investigated by the Mueller witch hunt which he describes as acting like the Gestapo or the KGB and trying to manipulate him to lie: and he wrote a book about it:

Silent No More: How I Became a Political Prisoner of Mueller's "Witch Hunt"

Corsi is a well known conspiracy theorist. Here's one of his emails to Stone:

quote:
Word is friend in embassy plans 2 more dumps. One shortly after I'm back. 2nd in Oct. Impact planned to be very damaging.

Yet he still denied to Mueller having any information about Wikileaks.

--Percy


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Faith
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Message 398 of 2838 (845478)
12-16-2018 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 397 by Percy
12-16-2018 1:23 PM


Re: A Few Books
Yet he still denied to Mueller having any information about Wikileaks.

He denies knowing Assange or ever communicating with him. And you think you've proved otherwise?

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Percy
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Message 399 of 2838 (845480)
12-16-2018 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 386 by Faith
12-15-2018 5:24 PM


Re: Oh one more thing: a Fake News report
Faith writes:

You claim to believe that NBC News and CNN are making up sources.

Yes or the sources are making it up.

So in your mind it isn't plausible that Trump is the least bit concerned about the possibility of impeachment. That would be rather strange, wouldn't it, given that it is the focus of a lot of attention.

You're really just playing your game of "deny deny deny" while not offering anything of substance. How could you possibly have any idea of Trump's state of mind? Why would you doubt that some of the great many Washington reporters have sources among Trump's friends who he talks to on his personal cell at night?

--Percy


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Faith
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Message 400 of 2838 (845482)
12-16-2018 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 399 by Percy
12-16-2018 1:34 PM


Re: Oh one more thing: a Fake News report
I know from past incidents of reports about what's going on in the White House that suggest something like chaos or bad feeling or the like that it turned out to be made up, when other credible people answered the reports. It's a typical piece of Fake News designed to buttress the Leftist line in the minds of the public. I think he's more concerned with trying to get his agenda done than he is worried about what the Left has been trying to do to him since before he even took office.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Percy
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Message 401 of 2838 (845488)
12-16-2018 1:52 PM
Reply to: Message 394 by Faith
12-16-2018 12:32 PM


Re: The Faith Fact Checker
Faith writes:

If you think any of the information I've provided is incorrect then you are free to provide better information. So far you've provided nothing of substance, just empty denials.

You don't offer any real support for your "information" though you are requiring me to be able to answer it with more substance than your own hot air?

I offer support for a great deal of what I say, and if you think support for anything is lacking then you only need ask. What is needed is information supporting your own opinions. So far you seem just a blind and ignorant Trump supporter.

All you are doing is asserting your views but in your mind they are facts and mine are not without any need to prove it beyond preferring your own sources to mine. I'll go with my sources for now, thanks anyway.

You've ignored most of what I've said, especially recently. I am not just asserting my views. I am supporting what I say with quotes, excerpts and links. You've addressed none of it while citing no sources of your own and conceding how really bad you are at fact-based discussion.

And by the way, "Pinocchio" is a way of calling me a liar since Pinocchio's nose grew when he lied, so no, you are not just saying I'm wrong. You are wrong that I'm wrong anyway, since you are just offering your own opinion against mine, but beyond that you ARE calling me a liar with that Pinocchio theme.

As mentioned before, I'm using the Washington Post fact checking system, which merely assesses the truth or falsity of a claim. It doesn't label anything or anyone a liar, and indeed no such word appears on the page.

I'm going to have to give your claim that I called you a liar four Pinnochios, the number of Pinocchios reserved for claims that are just straight out false:

--Percy


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Faith
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Message 402 of 2838 (845490)
12-16-2018 1:56 PM
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12-16-2018 1:52 PM


Re: The Faith Fact Checker
Pinocchio means liar, period.

Don't find your "facts" to be persuasive, sorry.


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Percy
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Message 403 of 2838 (845494)
12-16-2018 2:03 PM
Reply to: Message 395 by Faith
12-16-2018 12:34 PM


Re: The Faith Fact Checker
Faith writes:

If you've been reading the posts here then you've seen I've posted on several occasions that while some of Trump's actions may rise to the level of impeachable offenses.

There are no impeachable offenses except in the fevered minds of Leftists.

I'm not a leftist - I'm an independent.

And you haven't said anything of substance in rebuttal, just expressed an opinion, while I've provided specific examples of what I believe are Trump's impeachable offenses so far, and what additional ones might at some point be revealed to have occurred. Detailed in posts from the past few days, you've ignored almost all of it. You post occasional replies, but you still ignore most of what I say. You rarely quote anything of substance, let alone reply to it.

And again, what part of "Mueller's investigation is not yet complete and he hasn't yet produced his report" don't you understand? As I said once already, maybe Trump's guilty of nothing, maybe of something, maybe of a lot. We don't know yet. But we do know certain things (things that, to beat a dead horse, I've mentioned before and that you've mostly ignored), like that 16 members of the Trump campaign spoke to Russian representatives, and that five top people of the Trump campaign have pled or been found guilty of various offenses, and that we know little of what Flynn has told Trump, and that he paid off mistresses to help his campaign while not declaring any campaign contributions.

--Percy


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Faith
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Message 404 of 2838 (845500)
12-16-2018 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 403 by Percy
12-16-2018 2:03 PM


Re: The Faith Fact Checker
You often say you're not a Leftist but you are defending the Leftist position. It's ALL opinion, it's ALL spin.

Mueller should have stopped the investigation long ago because he'd turned up nothing to show Trump colluded with Russia which was supposedly the reason for the whole thing, and he still hasn't, and so what if he hasn't produced a report, just means he has nothing to report. There was no collusion. Look, all the stuff you think is meaningful isn't. Talking to Russians is normal in politics or business, everybody is trying to make something out of what is really nothing. It is very likely the payments to the women will also be shown to have nothing to to do with the campaign. You are buying the Leftist spin and calling it facts.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 405 of 2838 (845503)
12-16-2018 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 404 by Faith
12-16-2018 2:16 PM


Re: The Faith Fact Checker
Mueller should have stopped the investigation long ago because he'd turned up nothing to show Trump colluded with Russia which was supposedly the reason for the whole thing, and he still hasn't, and so what if he hasn't produced a report, just means he has nothing to report.

this isn't a TV show Faith, criminal investigations take time. And again, the report hasn't been released, we don't know what Mueller has and hasn't found.

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