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Theodoric
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Message 4246 of 5795 (870181)
01-13-2020 10:15 PM
Reply to: Message 4242 by marc9000
01-13-2020 8:43 PM


Re: Lame claims
But one of the many advantages that gangs of posters have against one or two is to try to cover for another poster that they might feel sorry for.

Oh no!! Two people replied to you. Look at that gang. Grow up. You truly think we all conspire to make you look bad? Trust me you do it all on your own.

One of the obvious pastimes here, when it's a gang against one, is sometimes to post not so much to respond to the outnumbered one, but to post simply to amuse one's friends and helpers. We see that in gangs against Faith all the time. But a drive-by reader with your worldview might read through here without knowing exactly what was going on, and it's not completely honest to make it look like you were responding to a post to you, when it was to someone else. You could make it more clear with just one or two added names or references

Wow!!!
People don't gang up on you and Faith. The facts are no one else believes the crazy shit you two spew. If your arguments had any validity other people would support your arguments. If everyone else is against you, maybe it isn't them that is wrong, maybe it is you.

Edited by Theodoric, : For clarity, punctuation


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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PaulK
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Message 4247 of 5795 (870182)
01-14-2020 12:29 AM
Reply to: Message 4242 by marc9000
01-13-2020 8:43 PM


Re: Lame claims
quote:
Of course. But one of the many advantages that gangs of posters have against one or two is to try to cover for another poster that they might feel sorry for

I hardly think that happens much here. Every so often someone attempts to help Faith but she never accepts it.

quote:
One of the obvious pastimes here, when it's a gang against one, is sometimes to post not so much to respond to the outnumbered one, but to post simply to amuse one's friends and helpers. We see that in gangs against Faith all the time.

Not really. You’ll see a number of reactions when Faith posts something outrageously ignorant or bigoted but you certainly don’t see gangs making fun of her. Which would be very easy to do and very tempting given her arrogance.

But I guess playing the persecution card is so much easier than admitting that you and Faith have a habit of being ridiculously wrong.

quote:
But a drive-by reader with your worldview might read through here without knowing exactly what was going on, and it's not completely honest to make it look like you were responding to a post to you, when it was to someone else.

It is funny how someone with a history of dishonesty would reach so far to try to accuse others of the same.


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Message 4248 of 5795 (870184)
01-14-2020 9:18 AM
Reply to: Message 4243 by marc9000
01-13-2020 9:24 PM


Bye Bye Florida
NosyNed writes:

It is pretty clear now that Florida is a gonner. The whole state. Gone!

marc writes:

And I"M the Chicken Little!! I love this place!!

But you agreed that this is the case. CO2 is being pumped into the air at ever increasing rates. CO2 is a greenhouse gas. We both agree, right?

Enough CO2 melts Greenland. You obviously agree that ice melts when warmed enough.

What we don't agree on is the timing. What is your estimate?


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Message 4249 of 5795 (870185)
01-14-2020 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 4243 by marc9000
01-13-2020 9:24 PM


Re: Climate Issues
I note that your quotes concern local weather, not global climate change.

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RAZD
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Message 4250 of 5795 (870186)
01-14-2020 9:49 AM
Reply to: Message 4241 by marc9000
01-13-2020 8:27 PM


Re: Health Insurance increase due to Republicans preventing Public Option
Let's include the rest of my comments on this issue, the ones you didn't respond to, where I had replied to your Message 4150 comment

marc9000 writes:

I'll take the side of less government meddling, and more free markets:

Your healthcare increased because of the free market. There was/is no public option (medicare for all) to keep costs down. The republicans are responsible for keeping the public option out of the ACA.

My healthcare increased very little during the entire Bush 43 administration, when it was purely free markets. It stair-stepped up several times shortly after the ACA took effect.

During the Bush 43 (Schrubbia) administration there was no requirement to insure those of us with pre-existing conditions. This meant that I could no leave my then current employment without losing my insurance (I was diagnosed with cancer while there) and then paying exorbitant fees (plus high deductibles and co-pays) to cover my cancer ... if I could get anyone to take me. Curiously I call that an extreme increase in healthcare fees AND an infraction on my right to work where I want to.

Then I retired and got on medicare, and then the ACA was passed ... and my fees didn't change. That's what would have happened with the public option or with universal single payer medicare4all, but that was blocked by the republicans. ie -- you need to blame the republicans for your high fees, not the ACA or Obama. Sorry not sorry.

... . I have a renewed interest in the climate change debate these days, though it should probably be taken to the official thread (started years ago by you) But unless I'm told to go there, I'm just as satisfied to keep going on that here.

Well I'll be happy to take the Climate Change debate there, but here's a little tid=bit for you from facebook

That's a scientific notice published in a newspaper in 1912.

See Message 563 on Climate Change Denier comes in from the cold: SCIENCE!!!

Enjoy

Edited by RAZD, : .

Edited by RAZD, : changed photo link


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RAZD
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Message 4251 of 5795 (870203)
01-14-2020 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 4243 by marc9000
01-13-2020 9:24 PM


Re: Climate Issues
See Message 564 on Climate Change Denier comes in from the cold: SCIENCE!!!

Enjoy


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Message 4252 of 5795 (870205)
01-14-2020 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 4229 by NosyNed
01-12-2020 6:45 PM


On Florida.
Actually only most of Florida is threatened directly by rising sea levels. Areas of the Panhandle are high enough to actually increase in value as they become water front property.

But really, the majority of property threatened is corporate and will be covered by insurance or more likely as a tax offset. The only people really threatened are the peons and they can just go back where they came from. It may even improve the neighborhood at the same time.

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Message 4253 of 5795 (870208)
01-14-2020 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 4244 by marc9000
01-13-2020 9:45 PM


Re: Climate Issues - The 5 corrupt pillars of climate denial
See Message 565 on Climate Change Denier comes in from the cold: SCIENCE!!!

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Percy
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Message 4254 of 5795 (870215)
01-14-2020 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 4150 by marc9000
01-08-2020 6:12 PM


Re: LIBERAL FASCISM IS HERE: IGNORANT FAKE NEWS
marc9000 writes:

quote:
Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy[3] …

"Authoritarian ultranationalism" goes along with the big government beliefs of today's Democrats far more than it does with the individualistic beliefs of Republicans.

This makes no sense. There is no ultranationalism among the Democrats. If you think there is then please explain where you see it.

Neither is there any authoritarianism. I think you're equating authoritarianism to advocacy of any policy you disagree with.

quote:
...they (liberals) also have far more in common with fascism than conservatives do, given their penchant for centralized governmental power and too much state control over business and industry, as we've seen most strikingly under President Barack Obama.

Fascism Is Not Conservatism

You are buying into a false right wing narrative. That liberals are labeling conservatives fascists is just something David Limbaugh is making it up so he can compose a "no we're not, you are" piece.

And curiously I don't know any of today's democrats that are communist sympathizers. I do know some Social Democrats, but no actual socialists. Conservatives often label people with those terms to scare people away from Democrats, not because they are valid. That's because conservatives these days don't have any programs to benefit working people, it's all about making rich people richer. Thus they have to use fear instead of attractive programs.

If you believe every word they say,...

No one believes everything Democrats say. The opposition to your ideas stems from their obvious invalidity. The Democrats and Republicans in Washington and in statehouses across the county are all politicians. Everything they say should be scrutinized and fact checked.

...that they only want some power, and will stop when they get only a prescribed amount, that could be true. But it doesn't square with the history of human nature.

Uh, given that both Democrats and Republicans are human, isn't it kind of a stretch to level this charge solely at Democrats?

"Rich people richer", the standard line. Why would so many average Americans vote for Republicans if that's all the Republican party stood for?

Bettering oneself and building wealth is an American tradition that both Democrats and Republicans enthusiastically accept. And most of the time Republicans accept that some ways of building wealth, such as monopolies and fraud and pyramid schemes and lobbying for tax benefits or special industry advantages and so forth, is bad and that watchdog and oversight agencies are necessary. The Boeing 737 Max is a recent example of how DoT dropped the ball on oversight of the airline industry and let Boeing in effect certify its own airplanes. Republican repeal of Glass-Steagall made the 2008 financial meltdown possible. More safeguards were put in place under Obama, but they were repealed when Republicans took over both the House and Senate.

The rural poor who support Trump and Republicans in disproportionate numbers are those most likely to suffer under their policies. The much better health coverage than Obamacare that Trump promised has yet to materialize as even a proposal. The cancelling of many coal mining regulations means that the people of coal mining regions like West Virginia will suffer with increasingly poor water quality, often to unsafe levels. Rolling back clean air regulations means we'll all breath dirtier air. And a rockin' economy doesn't really boost rural areas much but does greatly benefit those already making a great deal of money in urban areas.

The Republican standard line is, of course, that the Democrats want to make "big government bigger", to further only their own power and money.

This is a cynical as saying the Republicans only want to use government to make the rich richer (though the 2017 tax cuts give the Republicans a black eye on this). If the politicians and prognosticators want to stoop to these levels I don't suppose we can stop them, but there's no reason we have to buy into such nonsense.

After all, the carbon credit trading that goes along with climate change would benefit only a few rich Democrats,...

You have yet to explain, despite at least a couple inquiries, how trading carbon credits causes money to flow into Democratic coffers.

...it wouldn't benefit the average Democrat voter at all.

The big fallacy here is that officials are elected to serve the people who voted for them and not their entire constituency. Certainly it is true that Trump believes he is the president of those who voted for and support him, and screw everyone else, but Trump's ethical and moral compass has been adrift since long before his election. This is not the way a working democracy functions. Those elected, especially to statewide or national office, serve all their people and must take as a fundamental obligation being a unifying rather than divisive force. Trump doesn't seek to win over those who disagree with him. He seeks to delegitimize and disenfranchise them.

Don't the average Democrats voters see the selfish desires of advocates of bigger government?

Which of these do you see as selfish desires: Decent healthcare? Security in old age? A clean environment? National Parks that aren't sliced up for resource exploitation? Addressing climate change? Safe food and drugs? Fair labor practices? Decent housing? Affordable public transportation? Meaningful oversight of industry? Green energy? Affordable higher education?

Both parties should favor policies that benefit the general public, not just the rich. The current Republican cover story under Trump is a flim-flam, a bait and switch, and those supporting the Republican agenda are buying the sham hook, line and sinker.

The answer is, of course they do. They don't actually trust government much more than Republicans do. They have another motive - JEALOUSY.

Seriously? You think the driving force is jealousy of Republicans? Really?

They really love the idea of cutting hard working, personally responsible Republican voters down to their own idle size.

You just said that Republican voters are hard working and personally responsible, while Democratic voters are idle. This is almost repugnantly cynical.

I hope candidate for office, Democrat or Republican, would draw few votes if they truly believed such things about the opposition's supporters.

It's the reason they don't fear climate change mandates, they have nothing to sacrifice.

Hurricanes, tornados, droughts, floods, forest fires and rising sea levels affect Democrat and Republican alike.

So many of them don't care about liberty, they take no advantage of the liberty that is available to them.

Why do you feel moved to say such absurd things?

They don't care about sacrifice, they have little to sacrifice.

You began this screed referring to "average Democratic voters," but now it sounds like you're talking about the poor. As a group Democrats are not poor, but assuming you're referring to the poor, the gutting of social safety net programs began during the Clinton administration and has continued ever since. It isn't because they expect money to be taxed from the rich and given to them that those in the lowest quintile of income tend to support Democrats over Republicans. That ship sailed long ago, and your conception of it never existed anyway. They tend more toward Democratic candidates because they believe they'll be able to help their district or state more than Republicans.

Many of them live in rented homes,...

Again, you must be talking about the poor, not your "average Democratic voter." Of course the poor often cannot afford to buy. The Democrats have no monopoly on poor people.

...the climate change that their home's heating system generates is of no concern to them,...

Are you claiming there's a movement among Republican homeowners (who don't typically accept that climate change is caused by humans) toward more climate friendly heating systems?

If they're not on a government handout and actually work a job,...

Is this truly your view of the average Democratic voter? If so, where are you getting your information from?

...any climate change they do in the carrying out of their job is their bosses problem, not theirs.

You're again not making any sense. Your average employee anywhere, Republican or Democrat, would have a difficult time effecting business practice changes that would impact climate change. Just try getting better light shades on the windows where you work to get a measure of how difficult it is influencing your employer to do things outside your purview.

It's always the same, they love government's attacks on the "rich", believing the rich will dutifully knuckle under to government mandates, make sacrifices, and keep on producing and supplying employment for them.

You're making things up again. The deficit in the last year of the Obama administration was around $600 billion, and by last year it had risen to about $1 trillion. Under Trump the rich have conducted a raid on government coffers to the tune of about $400 billion per year. Usually deficits decrease in a robust economy, but under Trump they have increased substantially because he is giving so much money away to the rich.

What happens more often than not, is "the rich", being much smarter than government agents, find a way to satisfy government mandates by raising their costs not only enough to cover the mandates, but to include a nice little raise for themselves, at the increasing expense of the public.

True.

My health care multiplied by 4 times during the second Obama administration.

Possibly true for you personally, but certainly far from true generally.

I'll take the side of less government meddling, and more free markets.

We're all in favor of less government meddling and more free markets, but most of us are also against monopolies and pollution and unsafe food or drugs and having to bail out banks. A healthy economy requires some sufficient amount of government "meddling" in the form of regulation and oversight to prevent abuse.

--Percy


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Percy
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Message 4255 of 5795 (870216)
01-14-2020 5:23 PM
Reply to: Message 4154 by marc9000
01-08-2020 8:49 PM


Re: Sanctimonious defense of injustice by Christtianity Today
marc9000 writes:

What investigations against Democrats are you talking about?

Investigations against Democrats seldom get very far because of news media bias.

The news media controls who the FBI, CIA and DoJ investigate now? Who knew!

But this time I was mainly thinking about the LACK of investigation into the Hunter Biden involvement with Ukraine. I know it's claimed by liberal columnists that it's all been debunked, but not everyone agrees.

WEISS: No, Hunter Biden’s Corruption Hasn’t Been ‘Debunked’

You just cited an opinion piece. What corruption did Hunter Biden commit that requires investigation? Please be specific and precise.

I will condemn anyone spreading conspiracy theories. What conspiracy theories are the Democrats spreading?

The most notable ones are, of course, the 'Russian involvement in the 2016 election',...

That the Russians interfered in the 2016 election was the finding of all US intelligence agencies, not the Democrats.

...and the 'Trump seeking foreign help in defeating Biden in the 2020 election', to name just two.

The people testifying to the facts before the House Intelligence Committee that led to Trump's impeachment were all members of the Trump administration.

Do you want to go one-for-one again on your claims? First you offer an example of a conspiracy theory pushed by liberals, then I'll offer a conservative one. First you offer a reality-free WP or NYT opinion piece, then I'll offer a conservative one. First you offer an example of liberals calling an investigation a hoax, then I'll offer an example of conservatives calling one a hoax. We'll see who runs out first.

You're assuming all conspiracy theories are perfectly comparable one on one, that they all have the same costs and consequences. The two that I mentioned above alone would need about 100 conservative ones against liberals to offset them, concerning their enormous costs to the U.S. in terms of taxpayer money, and lawmakers wasted time.

And you probably know I have to go to work in the morning, and don't have time for rabbit trails.

You have a million excuses. I have a great idea for you. If you don't have facts behind what you say, don't say it. The offer stands should you ever want to take it up.

--Percy


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Percy
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Message 4256 of 5795 (870219)
01-14-2020 8:22 PM
Reply to: Message 4156 by marc9000
01-08-2020 9:19 PM


Re: What Does the Republican Party Stand For?
marc9000 writes:

Yes they are. The reason you think they're not is because, like most Republicans, you're abandoned conservatism and become a Trumpist.

"fiscal sanity" - was Obama more fiscally sane than Trump? Which of today's Democrat presidential candidates are more fiscally sane than Trump?

Obama and all the Democratic candidates are more fiscally sane than Trump. Only Obama and Trump have a record as president that we can point to, so here's a chart of the Obama and Trump deficits.

The above chart shows that during the eight years of the Obama's presidency the deficit increased only twice, once during the first year of his presidency marked by the mortgage security financial collapse, and again during the last year of his presidency. During Trump's presidency the deficit has increased every year.

"Strong defense"?? Trump is for less defense than Obama, or Biden/Sanders/Warren?

You're doing free association again. A strong defense was not one of the four core conservative values I listed that Trump has abandoned. Once again they were free trade, fiscal responsibility, cozying up to dictators, and character.

Right now, Iran seems to be a little bit worse player than Russia.

If you're still talking about national defense then Russia has the 5th largest military in the world, Iran the 8th, about 60% the size of Russia's. If you're talking about terrorism then Iran is worse and has been for quite some time, not just right now.

You've misread the columnist. He wasn't listing all core conservative principles. He was listing those Trump has abandoned, with the Republican party following right along.

Then why was he, and you, mystified about what Republicans stand for? Did you forget about the more basic ones that I mentioned?

Yes, they're very fundamental, but Trump has abandoned those, too. He's doesn't promote individual freedom, for example being against a woman's right to control her own body. He has no sense of personal responsibility, never accepting responsibility for anything. Everything is someone else's fault. Rather than reducing the power and reach of the federal government he is consolidating power into the executive branch. An example is building the wall and taking land by eminent domain, mostly from Republicans in Texas. And Trump doesn't even give lip service to traditional Judeo Christian morals. The alliance between Trump and evangelicals is one of convenience, to the everlasting shame of evangelicals.

He's certainly abandoned free trade (tariffs), abandoned fiscal responsibility (huge deficit increases), failed to oppose the world's bad players (Putin, Kim Jong-un, Xi Jinping), and abandoned integrity and character (himself). And the Republicans seem fine with this. Most incredibly on that last one, white evangelical churches seem fine with this.

He's not perfect,...

You are a master of understatement.

I absolutely agree that he's been less than perfect with his fiscal responsibility promises.

More understatement. It takes great effort to increase the deficit by such huge amounts during a booming economy.

But so have presidents before him, they all seem to learn the hard way, just how hard it is to undo big government spending of the past. But the economy is good, Republicans are willing to give him more time based on that alone. I think he'll get a bigger margin of votes for his second term than he did his first. Every two term president has since FDR, except one. Obama.

I don't know what is with you Trumpists and Obama and Hillary and McCain and all the rest. It's like you have to have bogeymen to rail against. Give it a break and stop being led around by the nose. Trump rallies his supporters against every enemy old and new, which includes anyone who doesn't agree with him or do his bidding, and you Trumpists just go right along with it, whether it's true or not, makes sense or not, or even is consistent with what he said last week or not.

Except for the part about requiring the English language, I think most people would agree, both liberals and conservatives.

Not at all, he didn't even address illegal immigrants. It would have been ugly if he had.

Do even you know what you meant to say? Again, except for the part about requiring the English language, I think most people would agree, both liberals and conservatives.

Roosevelt was speaking of immigrants who become citizens.

Yes, LEGALLY.

I don't think there's any significant problem with people illegally becoming citizens. Perhaps you were trying to say that Roosevelt was speaking of legal immigrants who become citizens, but that's not worth a mention since naturalization is only possible for legal immigrants.

A mere three years ago Republicans did stand for free trade, fiscal sanity, standing up to the world's bad players, and character.

About 3 years and three months ago they might have. Three years and two months ago, voters, both Republicans and swing voters, decided it was time to try something slightly different.

Doing the opposite of free trade, fiscal sanity, standing up to the world's bad players, and having character cannot be labeled trying "something slightly different." Republicans have apparently given up on free trade, fiscal sanity, standing up to the world's bad players, and character.

They now have plenty of jobs, a good economy,...

There were plenty of jobs and a good economy before Trump became president. The economy improved the last seven years of the Obama presidency. The economic improvement has continued under Trump.

...and the second coming of Osama Bin Laden dead before he could kill 3000 American civilians.

Do you even care about facts?

When it comes to disclosures of classified information, that would be Trump, wouldn't it? Would you like to play the game again? You provide an example of a congressman disclosing classified information, then I provide one of Trump. We'll see who runs out first.

Do you really believe that civilians like you and I have perfect access to all information concerning leaks of classified information? It's not even worth a discussion, and again, no rabbit trails for me.

Once again when challenged on a claim you admit you cannot support it.

You're following Trump's example to a T. Whatever your side's done wrong, accuse the other side of doing it.

Nancy Pelosi pot, meet Nancy Pelosi kettle.

That doesn't even make any sense, Forrest. You still need a better approach than just ignoring the testimony of all the Trump administration witnesses who testified before the House Intelligence Committee.

I think your answer requires revisions.

The basics were all there. I like a strong economy, and dead terrorists.

I think everyone likes a strong economy. When Republicans regain their sanity they'll see the inadvisability of assassinating the military of any country with whom we're not at war, because if it's okay for us to do it to them then guess what?

--Percy


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Percy
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Message 4257 of 5795 (870220)
01-14-2020 8:39 PM
Reply to: Message 4158 by marc9000
01-08-2020 9:26 PM


Re: Sanctimonious defense of injustice by Christtianity Today
Why is it conservative op-ed commentators who are reporting these supposed news events and not the conservative news media itself?

Fox News often reports them too, that's pretty much the extent of conservative news media. But LOCAL network news sometimes reports local events that aren't as politically correct as the national news likes. Things like black on white crime, it seldom makes it to national news. But white on black crime - big national news every time.

I think you're making things up again. Why don't you list a few of these local news stories that deserved attention from all the national media but that only Fox News reported? Can I guess that once again you don't have the time to back up your claims?

As the mainstream media gets more shrill and doubles down with its bias,...

If you're referring to news outlets, this charge of bias is yet another claim that you've never been able to support. Why don't you tell us yet another fable about bias on ABC World News Tonight.

--Percy


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Message 4258 of 5795 (870221)
01-14-2020 9:03 PM
Reply to: Message 4159 by marc9000
01-08-2020 9:32 PM


Re: LIBERAL FASCISM IS HERE: IGNORANT FAKE NEWS
marc9000 writes:

No one here is calling US conservatism fascist, but Trump does have a very strong authoritarian streak.

You must not read jar's posts much, that's good thinking, I try to avoid reading them too, except for entertainment. But it's hard not to notice one of his favorite pastimes, calling conservative's fascists.

Message 3987

Message 3989

Message 4055

Message 4059

I never noticed that. Is that why Faith is making the opposite but nonsensical claim that liberalism is fascist?

Fascism has a specific definition. Conservatives are not fascists. But it is fair to give voice to fears about Trump's authoritarian impulses and inclinations. Trump's ruthless attacks on any who displease him have turned his administration and Republicans in Congress into a fawning and compliant mass reminiscent of dictatorships. Witness Defense Secretary Esper's tortured explanations of how his words that contradicted Trump's claims of four additional embassies being threatened actually agreed with him (this past Sunday's Face the Nation). Esper did that knowing that failure to do so would cost him his job. He wasn't alone. All Trump administration officials who appeared on the Sunday morning programs struggled.

--Percy


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Message 4259 of 5795 (870226)
01-15-2020 1:27 AM
Reply to: Message 4258 by Percy
01-14-2020 9:03 PM


Re: LIBERAL FASCISM IS HERE: IGNORANT FAKE NEWS
I never noticed that. Is that why Faith is making the opposite but nonsensical claim that liberalism is fascist?

I got the term "Liberal Fascism" from Reagan and many other conservatives, as the best way to characterize what we are seeing on the Left, in the Democratic Party, these days. There's no better word for the kind of tyrannical totalitarianism they are trying to impose on the country, and have whenever they've had the power to do so. "Fascism" is just the best way to characterize that, and there is really nothing at all comparable to that on the conservative side. As Marc spells out, conservativism is for individualism and personal freedoms, which the Left most certainly is not.

Fascism has a specific definition.

Which is why we talk about "LIBERAL" fascism, to show that we have a different angle on it.

Conservatives are not fascists. But it is fair to give voice to fears about Trump's authoritarian impulses and inclinations.

Which must be qualities hallucinated by the Left since conservatives see nothing of the sort in him.

Trump's ruthless attacks on any who displease him

Which I suppose refers to what we on the right regard as his just defensive retorts to the ruthless attacks on him personally and on all his supporters by the Left. So typical that what is a necessary defense against the unjust attacks on him is turned into an attack.

...no idea what the rest of your post refers to.


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Message 4260 of 5795 (870237)
01-15-2020 7:39 AM
Reply to: Message 4176 by Phat
01-10-2020 11:48 AM


Re: Fascism, Nationalism, and The Left & Right Strategies
Thugpreach writes:

Only God can help this bill get paid.

And as the US descended into dictatorship and debt God responded, "I sent you viable candidates who could have prevented this."

--Percy


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