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Percy
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Message 4531 of 5796 (870844)
01-25-2020 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 4464 by Faith
01-23-2020 7:32 PM


The Hater Among Us
Faith writes:
Tell the truth and be called a "hater."
The truth? You? When?
The actual truth is that you call everyone else haters, revealing who the true hater is.
But of course, standard Leftist political correctness demands it.
Fake claim. You are the source of all the accusations of hater here.
It's one of the things that makes them clearly fascists, tyrants, out to shut people up, no regard for rights and freedoms, all they do is connive to force their ideology on the rest of us, and character assassination of this sort is one of their means: oh don't you DARE ever mention what Islam is actually all about, don't you DARE say there is no such thing as many genders, there are only two, don't you DARE refuse to justify marriage for homosexuals etc etc etc. Cuz if you do any of these things we'll ostracize you, vandalize your home and businesses, and eventually probably even imprison you for it.
That's one of your more hate-filled paragraphs.
AbE This kind of namecalling is the true hatred, it's vicious and hurtful and intimidating.
Ah, you poor little thing, you. Could I suggest displaying some humanity before making a play for sympathy?
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Change title.

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Percy
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Message 4532 of 5796 (870845)
01-25-2020 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 4465 by Faith
01-23-2020 7:36 PM


Re: Trump Lies Again
Percy writes:
There are thousands employed on the bases that were targeted by the Iranian missiles. They were able to take cover and were protected. Perhaps some didn't join them for some reason and were injured.
Wow, insider information again! What is your source? A voice in your head?
No reason to assume such information is being covered up for some reason, why should there be?
The reason is that Trump doesn't like being shown wrong. Once he claimed no significant injuries, anyone in the military not wanting to become stationed in the Arctic became very reluctant to share any information. But it came out anyway. Military hospitals are not off limits to the press.
The main news, however, is that thousands that could have been killed were not because of advance warning.
Gee, you even know how many were stationed at these two bases! Remind me again, what were the names of those bases? I'd look it up myself, but it's easier just to ask you since obviously you're privy to much more detailed information and must surely know their names.
Your post is a combination of wishful thinking, fabrication, and naivet. If you started arguing from facts you could probably stun everyone into silence for days.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 4533 of 5796 (870849)
01-25-2020 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 4466 by Faith
01-23-2020 7:39 PM


Re: Trump Lies Yet Again
Faith writes:
Obstruction of justice is a real criminal charge. Obstruction of Congress is a made up nonentity.
Not having any defense against Trump's impeachable offenses you've chosen to argue about titles in the impeachment articles? Really?
There was total denial of due process in the House.
Bald declaration devoid of fact. You remain clueless.
They finally offered a token right to defense after they'd already made their impeachment decision.
Wrong yet again. Trump and his attorneys were invited to attend the House Judiciary Committee hearings before they began, and way before they composed and approved articles of impeachment to be voted on by the full House.
What a farce to claim there was no denial of due process. We all know there was. Why don't you?
Ever the good Trumpist, just repeat the lie over and over.
No idea what the rest of your post is about.
The rest of JonF's post was about the incoherency of the remaining portion of your Message 4455, which I commented on in detail in Message 4512, and that you've apparently abandoned your point from your Message 4451 where you accused the Democrats of "dismantling the Constitution and the whole fabric of American government." Care to defend that now? With facts, that is, rather than just repeating the fallacy?
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 4534 of 5796 (870850)
01-25-2020 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 4467 by Faith
01-23-2020 7:43 PM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
Faith writes:
Trump authorized the assassination seven months ago. Previous Presidents considered assassinating him and passed.
Why now. Why not shortly after Trump authorized it?
How would I know?
How could you not know? You've claimed to know everything else, from the credibility of Kasraie to how many men were stationed at our Iraqi bases to how they managed to become injured despite early warnings.
I assume there are good military or intelligence reasons for the time chosen.
Do you know nothing? Trump chose the time, not the military nor our intelligence agencies. Advisors tried to talk him out of it, to no avail.
--Percy

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Message 4535 of 5796 (870851)
01-25-2020 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 4515 by Faith
01-25-2020 9:40 AM


Re: Trump Lies Yet Again
You consistently demonstrate that you certainly do not know the difference between good and evil. No I don't think anyone WANTS to take the side of evil, they just can't tell the difference, as you can't.
Faith, we keep trying to explain it to you and you keep refusing to ever learn.
That person you see in the mirror and curse as evil, etc. That's you.
Please learn to recognize yourself in the mirror!

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Percy
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Message 4536 of 5796 (870852)
01-25-2020 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 4468 by Faith
01-23-2020 7:53 PM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
Faith writes:
Braggadocio no doubt but Trump is clearly ready and willing to apply military solutions IF NECESSARY, unlike some former appeasement minded Presidents.
Ah, the bogeyman of Obama again. To you the world would be a much better place if Obama had just bombed and assassinated a little more.
The idea that Trump ever acts impulsively or rashly or from crankiness is just leftist propaganda.
To you everything is leftist propaganda. To everyone else the evidence of the past three years points to a president who is rash and impulsive, not to mention uninformed. Ask him what clean coal is sometime.
When I check up on how he said something that is characterized in such language I find out it's fake news, he comes across as cool as a cucumber.
Probably because he doesn't appreciate the gravity of the mistake he is making.
No matter, the media always manage to find a way to write a headline that implies some such state of mind in Trump in their never ending vendetta.
Ah, yes, the media, another bogeyman. Everyone's against Trump and hates Trump for no reason at all. It has nothing to do with his displays of incompetence, inexperience, ignorance, recklessness and ill-considered actions.
So our intelligence services can be trusted when they tell us about Iran-sponsored terrorism, but not about Russian election interference.
Our rank-and-file intelligence service people are quite reliable and trustworthy. It was the leadership that lled about Russian collusion and tried to pin on Trump what Hillary had done.
Such a command you have of goings on within our intelligence services. How did you come to know this? How did they hide this from Robert Mueller, who indicted a bunch of Russians based on intelligence information? Please tell us, we're all dying to know.
There's the Hillary reference you wanted.
I had no doubt your favorite bogeyperson would make an appearance sooner or later. Did you know that Hillary shot JR?
I trust Trump to deal with the nuclear problem too, by the best means and when the timing is right.
Trump is the most scary president ever to have his finger on the nuclear button.
--Percy

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Faith 
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Message 4537 of 5796 (870853)
01-25-2020 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 4536 by Percy
01-25-2020 1:55 PM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
You treat me as if I were the only one with my point of view, but that's only true within EvC, and even here there are a couple others who more or less share my point of view at least occasionally or on certain subjects. But I get most of my stuff from the many voices "out there" including information about the intelligence services I mentioned. These voices represent some sixty three million people who voted for Trump. I'm only alone in here. And it does get very lonely at times.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 4538 of 5796 (870854)
01-25-2020 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 4534 by Percy
01-25-2020 1:26 PM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
Well, Kasraie has been given credence by many of my sources but I'll happily enough take credit for my trust in her if you like. She's just a very credible person.
The report of how many were stationed at our air bases was on the news reports on my favorite radio stations, and the conservative talk hosts said they were warned and took cover in tunnels, or at least that was the case on one air base. If you don't know these things it's because you listen to the wrong sources. There were thousands of them, and very few were injured so I suppose those were the few that didn't take cover for whatever reason. But I don't know, just have to guess. I do know that thousands were not hurt who could have been had they not been able to find cover.
Although some were advising Trump against the action, there had to be more advising him to do it. Perhaps fake news simply chose not to cover that way-too-positive piece of information. Only the news that disparages Trump. That's their motto.

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Percy
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Message 4539 of 5796 (870855)
01-25-2020 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 4474 by Faith
01-24-2020 12:36 PM


Re: Another Trump failure
Faith writes:
I doubt Trump is under any illusions about Kim.
Based on what? More wishful thinking? Got any facts you'd like to mention supporting your viewpoint?
But I'd point out that Kim seems to have stopped his threatening and saber-rattling...
Really? Then I guess this news from just last month must be fake: https://www.cnbc.com/...ing-action-new-strategic-weapon.html
...and stopped lobbing missiles over Japan, which is what the original problem was.
No, it wasn't the original problem, and it's unlikely to be the last we see of missiles fired toward Japan: North Korean missiles again flying over Japan 'only a matter of time,' experts say | The Japan Times
Perhaps Trump should get some credit for that.
Why should Trump get credit for stuff you're making up?
There's the whole Internet out there. Look stuff up and say something true more often than by accident.
--Percy

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Faith 
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Message 4540 of 5796 (870856)
01-25-2020 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 4536 by Percy
01-25-2020 1:55 PM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
I suppose you've also missed the statistic I hear from time to time, from some pretty credible sources too I think, that the news coverage of Trump runs something like 90 or 95% negative. I guess you can say that's just because he does that many bad things, but no other President has ever had to endure such coverage, and it's odd that there are so many of us out here who consider what he's been doing to be predominantly good for the country, including those tens of thousands who continue to attent his rallies all over the country with large overflow crowds. Sorry, the media IS intentionally misrepresenting anything to do with Trump. And you really should read Mark Levinn's book "Unfreedom of the Press" and of coruse other conservative books. You are way too entrenched in Leftist fake news.
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Percy
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Message 4541 of 5796 (870857)
01-25-2020 2:34 PM
Reply to: Message 4477 by Faith
01-24-2020 12:58 PM


Re: Another Trump failure
Faith writes:
Oh nonsense. Trump likes to flatter these guys as part of his strategy to get cooperation from them.
If Trump actually thinks this then he must be projecting, figuring that since he himself is so vulnerable to flattery that other national leaders are, too. Whether Trump thinks this or not it's obviously not working. Putin is playing him like a fiddle, actually has Trump believing the Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election and not Russia, and Kim is doing the same thing to Trump that's he's done to previous presidents, ramping tensions up and down as he makes progress toward his nuclear goals.
I think it probably works to some extent with all of them,...
Any particular reason you think this? Or is it something you're making up again?
...but again I don't think he's under any illusions.
Trump is under a ton of illusions. He knows little and so holds a whole raft of false beliefs.
He's willing to take out a Soliemani and the world knows it now.
Everyone already knew he possessed poor judgment just from the past three years, and this only cements that opinion.
He's got his eye on whatever Kim is doing, or the Islamic State of Iran and all of them.
You mean our intelligence agencies do. How much of his daily briefing actually makes its way into his brain is anyone's guess.
All these evil nations are a big threat to the world and Trump is the only, the ONLY, possible, deterrent to any of them after former American leaders let them get away with their murderous intentions.
Aw, you really believe this. That's adorable.
Trump is a destabilizing force in the world who has no patience for or understanding of negotiation or diplomacy. America's military might provides him a broad range of error, but not infinite.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 4542 of 5796 (870859)
01-25-2020 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 4480 by Faith
01-24-2020 1:44 PM


Re: Another Trump failure
Faith writes:
He is not falling for what they say although you like to think he is.
Of course he's falling for it. Every time. After most meetings with Kim he returns to the US announcing what a great success the meeting was. If he wasn't falling for it he would instead caution Americans to keep their expectations low and watch what North Korea does rather than what it says.
As usual he is flattering and schmoozing them.
Oh, right, and dictators like Kim and Putin are just so vulnerable to such transparent tactics.
He's not expecting the great victories,...
That's good, because he hasn't achieved any.
...he's just hoping for them, but he's not deceived.
He tweeted how deceived he was to the entire nation. Here it is again. When are you going to wake up and smell reality?
You are but he isn't.
That tweet came from someone who was pretty deceived.
And besides, it's looking like he had a big success with China since they are buying stuff from us now.
Oh, yes, such a wonderful deal:
Oh, and just one more: Donald Trump says he and China’s Xi Jinping ‘love each other’, phase two trade talks to start ‘very shortly’ | South China Morning Post
Poor Kim. Trump falls in and out of love so easily.
I know you'll never face it, but the guy's a fool. When did you fall into this irrational love affair with him? Were you an Apprentice fan or something?
--Percy

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Message 4543 of 5796 (870860)
01-25-2020 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 4541 by Percy
01-25-2020 2:34 PM


Re: Another Trump failure
Trump is in fact extremely good at negotiation and diplomacy.
Yes, third world picayune tyrants are very susceptible to flattery from an American President.
I really really really wish it was possible to split this nation geographically so I could live with the conservatives and never have to hear another insane word from the Left. I guess there's no way to bring that about unfortunately.

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Percy
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Message 4544 of 5796 (870861)
01-25-2020 3:04 PM
Reply to: Message 4481 by Faith
01-24-2020 1:45 PM


Re: Trump Lies Yet Again
Faith writes:
All right, let's be more precise. What Trump actually did was take his case to court which is exactly what he should have done when there is a dispute between the Executive and Legislative branches: take it to the Judicial Branch. that is not obstruction of anything, that is operating within the Constitution.
How do you come by this enormous ignorance? Trump never took anything to court. He ordered his administration to provide absolutely no cooperation with the House impeachment investigation, and to honor no subpoenas. No court.
The way it would have worked, had the House so chosen, was that when Trump ignored the subpoenas then the House would have taken the Trump administration to court. The House chose not to do that because of the likelihood that the process in the courts would have pushed impeachment out beyond the upcoming election. They took McGahn to court over a year ago, and that case is still pending, as is the case to gain access to grand jury materials from the Mueller investigation.
And due process was NOT followed. That is becoming a sick joke.
Still the loyal Trumpist, repeating the lie over and over and never providing even a single fact in support.
Faith, if you're right then there's a reason you're right. Just tell us that reason. You have an opportunity to set us all straight here. In your reply write, "Due process was NOT followed, and we know this because ."
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 4545 of 5796 (870866)
01-25-2020 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 4483 by Faith
01-24-2020 2:08 PM


Re: Another Trump failure
Faith writes:
I don't follow this stuff a lot.
Ah, that explains your ignorance. You just like making up bald declarations out of thin air.
I don't know if he's exaggerating although it's clear he does have victories, lots of them,...
Trump has lots of victories? Do tell. No, seriously, please tell. Please list all these victories that there are lots of. I can help you out with a few accomplishments, but nothing I would call a victory. He's building his wall by stealing money from other programs. He made a few changes to NAFTA and renamed it USMCA. He's kept most sectors of the economy rolling along. He's reduced refugee and asylum immigration. He's prevented Muslims from a number of countries from entering. Can I include turning the Republican party into a bunch of toadies as an accomplishment?
That's my list of Trump accomplishments, where's your list of Trump victories?
...which the Left likes to pretend don't exist,...
Until you describe these victories, how wouldn't anyone know whether they're real or not? Maybe they have as much reality as Kasraie's credibility or Trump taking the House to court. At this point all you've got is an empty claim.
...or eventually his declarations will turn out to be true but it will take time, or what.
Clairvoyant now, are we?
I don't know.
Finally, a true statement.
But I'm more likely to chalk it up to style than lying since I know he HAS had great victories in most of what he's set out to do. Exaggeration? He shouldn't, OK, but when it's true he does have victories it's not the huge criminal thing you all try to make it out to be.
Again, describe these victories. We can and have described all the criminal stuff with ease, but we're having a bit of a problem coming up with all these victories.
Exaggeration? Trump? A very stable genius, if he does say so himself, could never be given to exaggeration.
Oh, look who Trump's pissed off now: Veterans of Foreign Wars demands apology from Trump for downplaying brain injuries from Iranian attack | CNN Politics
--Percy

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