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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
They are liars when they market totally false, verifiable and actually very basic information. They lie because they know you are too gullible and deplorable to actually check the facts.
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JonF Member (Idle past 194 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Some guy on the radio trumps the law. Standard right-wing response.
There is a bullshit right-wing fantasy that claims SS adds to the deficit. SS is required by law to invest in Treasury bills. When SS needs to it cashes in some of those bills. But the money the Treasury coughs up is just reimbursement of the initial deposit plus interest, which is compensated by the fact the government used that money between deposit and withdrawal. Teresa Ghilarducci (professor of economics focusing on retirement security and jobs) explains at Why So Many People (Mistakenly) Believe Social Security Adds To The Deficit:
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JonF Member (Idle past 194 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
One would think he knows what he's talking about. But when he makes false statements about his area of alleged expertise, we call it a lie. Because it's a lie.
What expertise does he have in the weird corner of economics that is retirement?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
That is all you have? He has been repeatedly shown to not be correct. Anyone that can actually read can see that he is wrong. Or more likely a liar. He is so wrong it is laughable. Actually it isn't laughable, because the rubes like you won't question what he says no matter how much evidence is presented to show he is wrong.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17826 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
I see.
From his point of view you are a worthless parasite and the money used to support you would be better spent on fighter jets that can’t shoot straight. And if he has to misrepresent the truth a bit to get that outcome, he’s fine with that.
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Percy Member Posts: 22490 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Faith writes: Mark Levin discovered this interview of Bolton by Radio Free Europe from Last August, after the phone calls by Trump to Zelensky and before Bolton left his position as National Security Adviser. He describes the phone calls as "warm and cordial," mentions the upcoming meeting in Warsaw where he says Trump hoped to meet briefly with Zelensky, and mentions the interest America has in Ukraine's getting rid of corruption. Not a word about a quid pro quo, not a word of concern about anything wrong with the phone call, nothing but good relations between Trump and Zelensky even about the concern over corruption. I'm shocked, shocked I say, that Bolton didn't tattle on Trump while still a member of the administration. He also didn't describe where Trump told him he wanted to withhold the security assistance until Zelensky agreed to investigations of the Democrats and the Bidens. But don't you worry, little lady. Lamar Alexander and Lisa Murkowski have indicated they'll vote against witnesses, making it very unlikely that the vote on witnesses will carry. Neither Bolton nor any witnesses at all will be testifying at the impeachment trial. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22490 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Faith writes: Heard about this on Mark Levin too. The subject is which party is guilty of voter suppression, since the Democrats keep accusing Trump oif having stolen the election and of course getting set to steal the upcoming election, which is why they want to get rid of him. The article raises questions about who is doing the election manipulating and it isn't the Republicans. He claimns that if Obama hadn't had the IRS undermine the strength of the Tea Party, Obama would have lost in 2012:
FLASHBACK: Obama Stole an Election, Not Trump You might want to try getting your information from news sources instead of right-wing talk show hosts and opinion/commentary websites. They're just getting you all worked up so you'll keep coming back. The reason Mark Levin's claims aren't, for the most part, also being reported by PJ Media and Sean Hannity and Alex Jones and so forth (and vice versa) is that they aren't based on reportage. They're just making up conspiracy theories, in this case following the Trump dictum, "If evidence of what you've done begins coming to light, accuse the other side of doing the same thing." --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22490 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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Faith writes: They're called entitlements, and it's not true that they cannot be cut. They can be both increased and reduced through legislation. For instance, Trump has proposed reducing Social Security and Medicare in order to help reduce the deficit. Yes I know they are called entitlements, that's what I was calling them until I encountered people like the Heritage Foundation official calling them mandatory. Apparently both words are used. I've never heard them called mandatories, only entitlements. The payroll deduction for Social Security is mandatory - maybe that's what you're thinking of.
Obvoiusly there would be some noisy objections to cutting any of these programs; sure you can always add to them. But nobody mentions cutting them because it would threaten their political life. Yes, Trump had to walk back his comments a day after making them: Trump Tries to Walk Back Entitlement Comments as Democrats Pounce - The New York Times
The Heritage Foundation guy, Bogie, did suggest on Mark Levin's program, not this video as far as I remember,... You didn't cite any video.
...but Levin's program that they are going to have to be cut if we don't want the experience of their going bankrupt, that China and Japan own these programs so we are paying them when we pay into them as that the sooner we can cut them back the better. Please stop listening to Mark Levin. China and Japan do not own our entitlement programs. Most likely Levin is referring to US debt held by China and Japan. Holders of US debt own our country in the same way the finance company owns your car, i.e., not at all. And unlike cars, if we default on out debt that doesn't mean China sends over a boat to take the Statue of Liberty. The debt of countries doesn't work that way.
He said we'd have to cut them from those people who have the means to do without them, who have funds for their retirement without Social Security, and funds for medical care without Medicare or Medicaid. It's a socialist style solution, take from the rich, but it sounds to me like the only possible solution. It probably wouldn't survive mentioning in Congress or by the President, however, let alone ever get close to being enacted. Unless, I suppose, we had a huge public education program to pave the way. I don't recall his estimating how much cutting out these recipients would actually reduce the debt, however. The reason Social Security's in trouble is demographic: fewer children are being born in each succeeding generation (the declining birth rate), so fewer and fewer working people have to pay for increasing numbers of retirees. The obvious solution is to increase immigration. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22490 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Faith writes: "Duh" yourself. Of course it was implicit that everything she said was true, that what Bolton told her was true. This is incredibly ignorant even for you. Consider this example. I mentioned that I testified at a jury trial once. One thing I testified to was where someone had said to the victim, "You tried to hit me." I could not possibly have had any idea whether the victim had tried to hit that person, given the circumstances of the situation. I was merely testifying to what was said, not the truth of what was said. In fact it turns out the person who said that was lying.
I was responding to the ridiculous statement MADE BY YOU that nowhere in the testimony did she claim what Boltonj said was true, as if that contradicted the idea that it was hearsay. Fiona Hill's statement was not hearsay, and there's no claim, implicit or otherwise, that the words she testified to Bolton uttering were true. You have raised cluelessness to new heights. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22490 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Faith writes: Oh nonsense, it is implicitly claimed to be true, she doesn't have to say it in so many words. You are wrong. Hearsay is not what you think it is. Here's another definition for you to misunderstand:
hearsay evidence: noun, law testimony based on what a witness has heard from another person rather than on direct personal knowledge or experience. Or as I've been calling it, secondhand information. This is the kind of thing I had in mind when I said you go on for pages with your silly objections because when you misunderstand something you are unable to concede error. We could be having an intelligent conversation about the impeachment trial, but instead we're stuck arguing about the definition of a simple concept like hearsay. Or is that the whole idea, to force discussion away from the trial. Maybe you're just too diabolical for us. --Percy
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I have no idea why there is a problem. That definition looks like my definition.
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JonF Member (Idle past 194 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Not at all.
"testimony based on what a witness has heard from another person..." is testifying that what they heard is true or false. "direct personal knowledge or experience." is not hearsay, including what the witness heard. Testifying what someone said to you is proper. Testifying whether or not what that person said is true is hearsay, because it's not based on direct personal knowledge or experience. But we know some guy on the radio said Hill's testimony was hearsay, so hearsay must be defined so her testimony is hearsay. No matter what the Federal Rules of Evidence and the definition in every legal dictionary in existence say.
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JonF Member (Idle past 194 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
I put up an expert like Justin Bogie because he studies this stuff From the Heritage Foundation web site Justin Bogie | The Heritage Foundation :
quote:His "expertise" is not impressive or apparent. Edited by JonF, : Forgot link
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
We call that wingnut welfare. No expertise in economics at all. He just spouts the crap his audience wants to hear.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18333 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
The point is that they cant touch those expenses--debt or no debt. You and i depend on social security to keep us from being homeless.
The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.lvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott
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