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Faith
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Message 526 of 1055 (847280)
01-20-2019 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 525 by Percy
01-20-2019 11:26 AM


Re: George Will misses the point
And you are viciously wrong about the accusations of Trump for racism, xenophobia, bigotry, misogyny, etc etc etc, these are all nothing but Leftist Political Correctness imposed on his desire for a border wall and protection against dangerous immigrants, and what else, his affairs with women? He's never said one word to justify these accusations. So, again, your idea that you criticize only what deserves to be criticized is a big fat self delusion.

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Message 527 of 1055 (847281)
01-20-2019 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 526 by Faith
01-20-2019 11:58 AM


Re: George Will misses the point
Faith, there is a job waiting for you in the Trump White House, plus you will save the soul of a poor suffering woman.

Look into the eyes of Sarah Huckabee Sanders and you can see how severely she is suffering from serving the Beast. Even atheists can see her excruciating pain as her soul is shriveling up. You can volunteer to replace her and take her job. You can do it because you gleefully repeat his lies, as you repeatedly demonstrate, and you are immune to the detrimental effects of serving the Beast because your soul is already dead, as you repeatedly demonstrate. Take her job and rescue her from her torture and we will see on her face the look of pure joy, the same look we saw on Sean Spicer's face as he made his own escape.

... desire for a border wall and protection against dangerous immigrants, ...

But why don't we hear him say anything about wanting to build a wall on our northern border with Canada? I've been there and there is no wall. There are twice as many Canadians here illegally than there are Mexicans and Central Americans, so the threat of illegal immigration is far greater in the north than in the south. We have stopped far more potential terrorists on the northern border than on the southern border, so the threat of dangerous immigrants is far greater in the north than in the south -- eg, the terrorists planning an attack on New Years Eve of 2000 were entering the country from Canada, not Mexico. Clearly, we need much more protection on our northern border, so why is Trump ignoring that problem? Why isn't ICE busy rounding up Canadians? Why are they ignoring the far greater problem?


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Percy
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Message 528 of 1055 (847292)
01-20-2019 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 526 by Faith
01-20-2019 11:58 AM


Re: George Will misses the point
Faith writes:

...all nothing but Leftist Political Correctness...

Still unable to muster any facts, eh. Still operating under the delusion, like your hero, that name-calling constitutes informed rebuttal.

...protection against dangerous immigrants...

We all believe government should serve as a bulwark against dangers, no argument there. But illegal immigration has been declining steadily over the past couple decades, and there's no indication that those entering the US illegally are any more dangerous than in the past. To the extent that there is a humanitarian crisis on our southern border, Trump created it himself.

...and what else, his affairs with women?

I didn't mention Trump's infidelities, though I think most people are surprised that evangelicals are so blasé. Mike Pence won't even be alone with a woman, yet his morality seems to have no problem with Trump.

He's never said one word to justify these accusations.

Trump thought his affairs important enough to keep quiet that he paid out nearly $300,000, that we know of.

Faith writes:

So, again, your idea that you criticize only what deserves to be criticized is a big fat self delusion.

Oh, I think everyone but you thinks that racism, misogyny, xenophobia, appointing scoundrels, lying, depriving federal employees of their salaries, attacking American institutions, committing campaign finance violations, obstructing justice, fraudulently attaining office, and treason all deserve criticism, and more. You expressed no interest, but the facts can again be presented to you upon request.

--Percy


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Faith
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Message 529 of 1055 (847308)
01-20-2019 8:31 PM
Reply to: Message 528 by Percy
01-20-2019 2:58 PM


Re: George Will misses the point
Oh, I think everyone but you thinks that racism, misogyny, xenophobia, appointing scoundrels, lying, depriving federal employees of their salaries, attacking American institutions, committing campaign finance violations, obstructing justice, fraudulently attaining office, and treason all deserve criticism, and more. You expressed no interest, but the facts can again be presented to you upon request.

What a pack of PC lies. Not a fact in the lot. The Left makes up such stuff, throws out such accusations, doesn't have a shred of evidence for any of it, and you eat it up. You even call it "fact." Boy are you deceived. it was Hillary who conspired to take the election from Trump, it was Hillary who tried to set him up, all the criminal allegations are lies lies lies, all politically motivated. No there are no actual facts, it's all innuendo.

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Faith
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Message 530 of 1055 (847309)
01-20-2019 8:42 PM
Reply to: Message 527 by dwise1
01-20-2019 12:38 PM


Re: George Will misses the point
Canadians don't murder Americans and don't come here without means of support so that they become dependent on our welfare system. It's problems of that sort that make the southern border a problem that the norther border is not, although yes all illegal immigrants shouldn't be here. So it isn't just illegality but the problems the southern illegals bring with them that cost Americans money and even lives, that are forced on us against our will., We shouldn't be put in this position.

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Message 531 of 1055 (847316)
01-21-2019 7:50 AM
Reply to: Message 529 by Faith
01-20-2019 8:31 PM


Facts? What facts?

Hear no facts, see no facts, speak no facts.

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JonF
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Message 532 of 1055 (847319)
01-21-2019 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 529 by Faith
01-20-2019 8:31 PM


Re: George Will misses the point
And there is absolutely no evidence of those libels against liberals.

But the there's plenty of evidence for all the items Percy listed. Several of them were done openly and proudly. The shutdown, for instance.


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Message 533 of 1055 (847321)
01-21-2019 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 530 by Faith
01-20-2019 8:42 PM


Re: George Will misses the point
Americans murder Americans far more often per capita than do legal or illegal immigrants.

Illegal immigrants do not get government aid.

The alleged problems brought by illegal immigrants are mostly righr wing delusions, such as those listed above.


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Message 534 of 1055 (847332)
01-21-2019 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 530 by Faith
01-20-2019 8:42 PM


Re: George Will misses the point
Canadians don't murder Americans ...

Really? Canadian illegals are as likely as anybody else to commit murder, though the fact still remains that Americans are more likely to murder Americans than are illegals of any origin.

... and don't come here without means of support so that they become dependent on our welfare system.

You keep saying that nonsense, so please tell us finally what welfare? What welfare programs are they supposed to be using? And since you have in the past claimed that it's a welfare program that citizens are unable to get, then tell us exactly what welfare program you are talking about! I mean, you're so absolutely sure about that welfare, so you must know what it is.

And why would you say that Canadians aren't lining up that same fantasy welfare program of yours? And why do you think the Canadian illegals don't come in without means of support? Those Canadian illegals are working here, taking jobs away from Americans! And because there are so many more of them than there are Mexican and Central American illegals, Canadian illegals pose a far greater threat to American wage earners!

Mexican and Central American illegals quickly find work to support themselves, willing to do almost anything, including the infamous "jobs that Americans refuse to do" (see below). I very much doubt that Canadian illegals would be willing to take on those jobs, which would make Canadian illegals far less able to support themselves and hence more of a burden on society (which we still need for you to reveal to us). So yet again, Canadian illegals are the far greater problem.

So why does this administration not care one whit about this far greater danger? For that matter, there's also a sizable population of Irish illegals whom this administration also don't care about. Quite the opposite, actually, since one of the last things Paul Ryan tried to do on his way out was to try to get more visas issued to the Irish.

... but the problems the southern illegals bring with them that cost Americans money and even lives ...

We already know what BS that last part is, since it's Americans who are costing us far more lives. But costing us money? What money? Please be as specific as possible!

And what about the benefits we derived from illegal immigrants? What about the businesses that they support? What about the taxes that they pay? Especially the ones that they could never benefit from because of their status (or rather lack thereof). If we could weigh their contributions against their costs, which way would the scales tip?

"Jobs that Americans refuse to do"

Remember the 1964 A-TEAM (Athletes in Temporary Employment as Agricultural Manpower -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bracero_program#Aftermath and https://www.npr.org/...grant-farmworkers-with-high-schoolers. When we closed the bracero program the farmers had no farm workers to pick their crops for them. Despite the opponents of the bracero program decrying how they were taking jobs away from Americans, Americans didn't rush in to grab those jobs. Seeing two different problems -- lack of farm workers and lack of summer jobs for teenagers -- politicians decided that combining the two problems would provide the solutions. So in 1964 they recruited high school athletes to do farm work. They got a lot of responses, though coaches would not allow athletes enter that program because they needed to make practice during the summer. The students were appalled at the extremely bad living and working conditions, the same ones that the braceros had had to endure. Many students deserted within the first few weeks (some after only a few days) and they staged strikes in some of the camps. The program was a failure and was cancelled after the first summer.

Do the name, "Salem, Ohio", ring a bell? -- https://www.theguardian.com/...n-raid-meatpacking-plant-ohio. The Fresh Mark meat packing plant, a major industry that the town depends on, employed many Guatemalan illegals. Not only did Fresh Mark benefit from their hard work, but they and their families were a contributing part of the community. On 19 June 2018, ICE staged a massive raid on the plant arresting 146 workers. The effects on the town were devastating. The plant continued to operate, but at a reduced capacity which cost them revenue. Many Guatemalans left the town out of fear, so the businesses in town suffered from the loss of many of their customers. The plant has tried to recruit workers, which should be easy with all the Americans flooding in to fill those jobs. That hasn't been the case. On the radio, it was reported that Syrian refugees were filling those jobs.


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Percy
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Message 535 of 1055 (847350)
01-21-2019 2:06 PM
Reply to: Message 529 by Faith
01-20-2019 8:31 PM


Re: George Will misses the point
Faith writes:

No there are no actual facts, it's all innuendo.

Didn't Trump call Nazis and White Supremacists "very nice people?" Let me see if I can find the exact quote. Ah, yes, here it is: "You also had people that were very fine people, on both sides." He's referring, of course, to the Nazis and White Supremacists who marched in Charlottesville. Here's a YouTube video of him saying those exact words:

So it would appear to be a fact. And there are other facts supporting Trump's racism going back decades, such as his efforts to avoid renting his apartments to blacks, his advocacy of the death penalty for the black and Latino Central Park Five (who turned out to be innocent), his reference to Mexican immigrants as criminals and rapists, accusing Haitian immigrants as all having AIDS, his criticism of a Hispanic judge who ruled against him, his Muslim travel ban, his "Obama not born in America" campaign, his criticisms and neglection of Puerto Rico after its devastation by Hurricane Maria, his endorsement of Roy Moore for Senator from Alabama, and his use of the term Pocahontas as a term of disparagement.

Would you like the facts behind the other criticisms? They've been provided before, but if you'd like to see them again you need only ask.

--Percy


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Faith
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Message 536 of 1055 (847352)
01-21-2019 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 533 by JonF
01-21-2019 9:28 AM


Media silence on murders by illegals, and a couple of fake news reports too
Over the last couple of weeks I'd been hearing radio news reports on a series of murders of elderly people in the general area I live in, starting with a small community about forty miles South of Reno. Details weren't given at first but they were warning people not to open their doors to strangers etc. First a 56 year old woman was reported murdered, then a woman in her 70s, a few days later in Reno a couple in their 80s. Then we found out they'd all been shot to death and the circumstances were similar enough to suggest the same killer in all the cases. Finally yesterday they said they'd caught the suspect. An illegal alien with a Hispanic name.

The illusions are on the Left I suspect. What I hear are pretty solid facts and statistics. Thousands of family members of Americans killed by illegals turned out about a week ago, interviewed by Sean Hannity, not reported in the main media for some reason. You have no idea how such facts are suppressed by the Leftwing media.

There are a couple other recent stories the Leftwing media got predictably wrong I might as well mention here: the report that Cohen had been instructed by Trump to lie was made up out of whole cloth. Even Mueller felt it necessary to call it "inaccurate," no doubt a euphemism for "bald-faced lie."

Then there was the story of a bunch of mostly white kids wearing MAGA hats racially harassing an old Indian guy. But the fact is that the old Indian guy, plus a bunch of black guys who call themselves Israelites, were harassing the white kids, calling them and a black kid with them, racist names. The group was from a Catholic school attending a pro-life rally, and they didn't do anything while they were being harassed by the old Indian guy who played a drum at them, and the black group, who were apparently there to protest the pro life rally. It was most likely media bias against white male Catholics wearing MAGA hats that inspired the first accounts. Then the story just died when the truth came out.

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Message 537 of 1055 (847354)
01-21-2019 2:41 PM
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01-21-2019 2:17 PM


Re: Media silence on murders by illegals, and a couple of fake news reports too
My take? All have sinned. The likelihood of evil or demonic influence is as likely to come from one group as another. There is no special evil that the Left possesses any more than the Right. My advice for everyone? Listen to the other sides propaganda as well as your own. There also are not a certain group of broadcasters that have truth while the others are fake. Satan sows division.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ĖRC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ĖMark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Message 538 of 1055 (847355)
01-21-2019 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 536 by Faith
01-21-2019 2:17 PM


Re: Media silence on murders by illegals, and a couple of fake news reports too
There are a couple other recent stories the Leftwing media got predictably wrong I might as well mention here: the report that Cohen had been instructed by Trump to lie was made up out of whole cloth.

Er ... you just made that statement up out of the whole cloth.

Even Mueller felt it necessary to call it "inaccurate," no doubt a euphemism for "bald-faced lie."

Again, an unsubstantiated fantasy on your part.

they were being harassed by the old Indian guy who played a drum at them

Lol.


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Percy
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Message 539 of 1055 (847358)
01-21-2019 2:55 PM
Reply to: Message 536 by Faith
01-21-2019 2:17 PM


Re: Media silence on murders by illegals, and a couple of fake news reports too
Your posts are remarkably free of links to corroborating information, even about things that are true.

Faith writes:

Over the last couple of weeks I'd been hearing radio news reports on a series of murders of elderly people in the general area I live in,...

I assume you're talking about this: Murder charges expected against illegal immigrant in killings

Nobody denies that some illegal immigrants are criminals, just like some Americans are criminals. But the evidence we do have says that illegal immigrants commit crimes at a lesser rate than Americans.

Thousands of family members of Americans killed by illegals turned out about a week ago, interviewed by Sean Hannity, not reported in the main media for some reason.

Given that maybe at most 10,000 Americans are killed each year by people completely unknown to them, in order for your claim about Hannity's reporting to be true most of them must have been killed by illegal immigrants. Surely even you must understand how impossibly unlikely this is.

There are a couple other recent stories the Leftwing media got predictably wrong I might as well mention here: the report that Cohen had been instructed by Trump to lie was made up out of whole cloth. Even Mueller felt it necessary to call it "inaccurate," no doubt a euphemism for "bald-faced lie."

I covered this already in the The Trump Presidency thread. In Message 2708 I described the BuzzFeed report, and then I walked it back the next day in Message 2717 after Mueller's spokesperson issued the denial. As I said, the article was written by two respected journalists, one a Pulitzer Prize winner. Hopefully we'll hear more about this, but for now it looks like there's still no smoking gun.

Then there was the story of a bunch of mostly white kids wearing MAGA hats racially harassing an old Indian guy. ...Then the story just died when the truth came out.

Given that the story is still on the front pages of the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Chicago Tribune and the LA Times, the story has not died.

--Percy


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JonF
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Message 540 of 1055 (847360)
01-21-2019 3:04 PM
Reply to: Message 539 by Percy
01-21-2019 2:55 PM


Re: Media silence on murders by illegals, and a couple of fake news reports too
Josh Marshall has one of his even-handed and well thought out posts on that incident :

Making Sense of the Phillips-Sandman Viral Video

quote:
Over the last couple days Iíve been watching the unfolding reaction and re-reactions to the video of the confrontation between Native American activist and elder Nathan Phillips and a crowd of high school students from Covington, Kentucky on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington. The whole story is a good example of how we can react quickly to a zoomed in (both literally and metaphorically) video and miss a lot of what led up to it, as well as some key context. With that said, though, when you add all the context Iím not sure itís all that different from what it looked like on the first go, despite some now saying new evidence and new videos changes everything.

Saturday night and into Sunday I watched numerous different videos of the encounter itself and what led up to it. So let me give you my impression of what happened as well as links to videos and accounts which can help you come to your own conclusions.

First, the initial videos could easily give the impression that Phillips (the man with the drum) was in the midst of marching in a protest when he was surrounded by a crowd of white teenagers in MAGA hats. Thatís not what happened.


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