McCarthyism means weaponizing derogatory labels without regard to their truth, accuracy or consequences, and in your case you're even using the same derogatory label of communism that McCarthy used. He once produced a list from his pocket (that no one was given the opportunity to examine) that that he claimed contained a long list of State Department employees who were communists known to the Department itself. It eventually became apparent that McCarthy had no such list, no private conduit into government of where all the communists were hiding, and that he was just playing a political game with people's lives. Most who lost their jobs and livelihoods (remember blacklisting?) as a result of McCarthy's lies were not members of the Communist Party.
It is interesting to find that a lot of current evil doers have a past. Kevin Kavanaugh worked for Ken Starr in the Clinton impeachment and when the Whitewater witch hunt produced no results, it was Kavanaugh who urged the sex scandal approach even to the point of coming up with the list highly specific and salacious sexual activity practically guaranteed to be denied by any person with any degree of shame (which he obviously doesn't have). Barr has a long history of making misleading "summaries" of documents that actually say nothing like what his summaries say.
Mobster lawyer Roy Cohn was the mentor of young Donald Trump and taught him all the dirty tricks he knew. Roy Cohn was also the chief architect behind McCarthyism. Story is that Cohn's boyfriend/lover was a private in the US Army. Cohn tried to get the Army to promote his boyfriend to a very high rank and when the Army refused to comply, Cohn started his Communist witch hunt against the Army.
Important to note is that almost everything Trump actually knows, he learned from his Roy Cohn.
Well what I found isn't what I thought I remembered, but I found a discussion of the efforts to suppress McCarthy's work by trying to downplay some notes by a KGB official named Vassiliev whose notes showed extensive spying by Americans for Russia. The information is interesting and the attempt to play it down is interesting, all aimed at continuing the discrediting of McCarthy.
All I ever had to do to get the opinions I have about Communism in America is listen to conversations I heard in Berkeley in the sixties, which may not have made a lot of sense ot me at the time but did later as I learned more about the terms used by Communists. It was interesting to me to find IF Stone mentioned in the following article, since my ex subscribed to his newsletter.
The public discussion of the Vassiliev notebooks has largely centered on three themes. Two involve the guilt or innocence of cultural icons, Alger Hiss and I.F. Stone. The third argument is broader in scope. It is the suggestion that the now irrefutable evidence that hundreds of American Communists spied for the USSR is less important or interesting than the abuses committed by anti-Communists in the 1950s, and that documenting real espionage somehow validates Joseph McCarthy's witch hunts...
The documents show that there were many more spies in the United States than had been previously known, and more important, that some of them inflicted more damage to national security than has been realized. Vassiliev's notes are also valuable because they exonerate many individuals who have been accused of treason, most notably Robert Oppenheimer, the scientific leader of the Manhattan Project.
It was hard to pick what to quote, the whole article is interesting though I found it very hard to read because of my eyes. This must be what I heard but none of the names or information ring a bell. Nevertheless it shows that there was a lot more Communist activity in the country than people like to recognize. And of course the effort to discredit it shows the Communist mentality itself. That mentality continues today on the Left though perhaps it isn't recognized by them either as it should be.
quote:It was hard to pick what to quote, the whole article is interesting though I found it very hard to read because of my eyes. This must be what I heard but none of the names or information ring a bell. Nevertheless it shows that there was a lot more Communist activity in the country than people like to recognize.
And many false accusations.
Vassiliev's notes are also valuable because they exonerate many individuals who have been accused of treason...
Well of course it's important to see the exoneration of those who were falsely accused. That's a big part of the importance of such information.
But of course you emphasize that part only, don't you? A great deal of the information shows the actual participation of Americans in the USSR's efforts to undermine America, and some of their success as well. Why isn't that important to you I wonder? Same mentality that the author notes downplays the whole document.
I was unable to read the entire thing but of course that is important information.
But also the MOST important thing is that it shows the Communist activity in America and you don't seem to want to acknowledge that. The very same attitude the author was addressing.
quote:I was unable to read the entire thing but of course that is important information.
It was in the part you quoted, so you must have seen it. Nevertheless you said nothing about it even though it shows the problem with (genuine) witch-hunts like McCarthy’s.
quote:But also the MOST important thing is that it shows the Communist activity in America and you don't seem to want to acknowledge that.
Yes, your lies are the MOST important thing to you. But where is this refusal ? I quoted your claim with no denial at all - but simply added the other side for balance.
If you really want to see an example of that mentality just look at your own defences of Trump.
The part I quoted mentioned only the exoneration of Oppenheimer. What you said implied that the article exonerated many more so I thought I must have missed that information since I couldn't read the whole article. Did I misread you.
My point was that the only thing you commented on was the exoneration and you did not discuss at all the main gist of the article which validates those like McCarthy who were warning about Communist activity in America. There is no lle here. It still seems quite clear that you have the same mentality that the author says "muted" this information.
quote:The part I quoted mentioned only the exoneration of Oppenheimer. What you said implied that the article exonerated many more so I thought I must have missed that information since I couldn't read the whole article. Did I misread you.
No, you just misread the quote. Oppenheimer is mentioned in the second part of the sentence as a significant example. Odd how you completely missed the first half of it - the part I quoted.
quote:My point was that the only thing you commented on was the exoneration and you did not discuss at all the main gist of the article which validates those like McCarthy who were warning about Communist activity in America.
What was there to discuss ? As I said, I pointed out that there were many false accusations to balance your failure to discuss that part of it.
quote:There is no lle here.
There is an obvious falsehood invented by you. I acknowledged the point by adding to it instead of denying it. Thus any claim that I refused to acknowledge it is a clear falsehood,
Re: Trump Refuses Responsibility for Extant Policies
It was those regulations that he said he was not responsible for.
And when he was specifically asked if he would take responsibility for eliminating the White House office of pandemic response he denied being responsible for it.
quote:Sadly, the president’s willingness to put his own short-term political prospects ahead of the public interest is not the least bit surprising. That is how many of us interpreted his actions over the last six weeks as he consistently tried to minimize the danger from the virus and when he boasted about how successfully he had handled the problem.
quote:Like his admitted willingness to use the powers of his office to advance his personal interests, the president openly admitted that he wanted to put his political advantage ahead of the health and safety of Americans. The president not only abuses power for personal benefit, but he puts his political interests ahead of the good of the people even in an emergency.
quote:We have seen him hesitate to take the necessary steps on many occasions, and we have watched as he squandered precious time with denial and obfuscation while many Americans became ill and some died. The president took a difficult but manageable situation and made it worse through neglect, indifference, and selfishness. The president does not serve the public interest and he never intended to do that. He sees public office simply as an opportunity for his own enrichment and aggrandizement, so when the test came in the form of this outbreak he was bound to fail it because his priority has always been to serve himself. The writing has been on the wall for a long time, but many Americans didn’t want to see it. Trump has been weighed in the balance and found severely wanting.
This is undeniably from the RIGHT side of the news.
Re: Trump Refuses Responsibility for Extant Policies
A perfectly reasonable response from Trump of course, if they aren't needed get rid of them. And as he said they can get them back if they want.
And again, he refused responsibility for policies that were in place before he took office, that he considers to be inadequate. Nothing wrong with that response either, except in the weird cloudy minds of leftists.
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