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JonF
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Message 5491 of 5639 (873771)
03-19-2020 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 5488 by Faith
03-19-2020 10:55 AM


Re: Fox's flip-flop
Bullshit. In the one frame thy are minimizing the danger and in the other they are acknowledging it.

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At worst, worst case scenario, it could be the flu.

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The more I learn about this, the less there is to worry about.

I was about to say the same thing!\


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All the talk about coronavirus being so much more deadly doesn't reflect reality.

You didn't even look at the video, did you?

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Message 5492 of 5639 (873772)
03-19-2020 11:11 AM
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03-19-2020 11:09 AM


Re: It's not contempt for those fools who follow il Donaldo
No Faith, they are simply realistic descriptions of your behavior. There is a hope that you will someday regain some touch with reality. Change your behavior and you will no longer be a fool or deplorable. There is hope for all of you, waning hope I will admit, but still some hope.

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Message 5493 of 5639 (873773)
03-19-2020 11:15 AM
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03-19-2020 7:55 AM


Re: Trump Versus the Experts
Here it is in list form, from Trump's Statements About the Coronavirus

quote:
Jan. 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.” — Trump in a CNBC interview.

Jan. 30: “We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five — and those people are all recuperating successfully. But we’re working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it’s going to have a very good ending for us … that I can assure you.” — Trump in a speech in Michigan.

Feb. 10: “Now, the virus that we’re talking about having to do — you know, a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April. We’re in great shape though. We have 12 cases — 11 cases, and many of them are in good shape now.” — Trump at the White House. (See our item “Will the New Coronavirus ‘Go Away’ in April?“)

Feb. 14: “There’s a theory that, in April, when it gets warm — historically, that has been able to kill the virus. So we don’t know yet; we’re not sure yet. But that’s around the corner.” — Trump in speaking to National Border Patrol Council members.

Feb. 23: “We have it very much under control in this country.” — Trump in speaking to reporters.

Feb. 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!” — Trump in a tweet.

Feb. 26: “So we’re at the low level. As they get better, we take them off the list, so that we’re going to be pretty soon at only five people. And we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time. So we’ve had very good luck.” — Trump at a White House briefing.

Feb. 26: “And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.” — Trump at a press conference.

Feb. 26: “I think every aspect of our society should be prepared. I don’t think it’s going to come to that, especially with the fact that we’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.” — Trump at a press conference, when asked if “U.S. schools should be preparing for a coronavirus spreading.”

Feb. 27: “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.” — Trump at a White House meeting with African American leaders.

Feb. 29: “And I’ve gotten to know these professionals. They’re incredible. And everything is under control. I mean, they’re very, very cool. They’ve done it, and they’ve done it well. Everything is really under control.” — Trump in a speech at the CPAC conference outside Washington, D.C.

March 4: “[W]e have a very small number of people in this country [infected]. We have a big country. The biggest impact we had was when we took the 40-plus people [from a cruise ship]. … We brought them back. We immediately quarantined them. But you add that to the numbers. But if you don’t add that to the numbers, we’re talking about very small numbers in the United States.” — Trump at a White House meeting with airline CEOs.

March 4: “Well, I think the 3.4% is really a false number.” — Trump in an interview on Fox News, referring to the percentage of diagnosed COVID-19 patients worldwide who had died, as reported by the World Health Organization. (See our item “Trump and the Coronavirus Death Rate.”)

March 7: “No, I’m not concerned at all. No, we’ve done a great job with it.” — Trump, when asked by reporters if he was concerned about the arrival of the coronavirus in the Washington, D.C., area.

March 9: “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!” — Trump in a tweet.

March 10: “And we’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.” — Trump after meeting with Republican senators.

A day later, on March 11, the WHO declared the global outbreak a pandemic.



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Message 5494 of 5639 (873775)
03-19-2020 11:27 AM
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03-19-2020 11:11 AM


Re: It's not contempt for those fools who follow il Donaldo
There is hope for all of you, waning hope I will admit, but still some hope.

we say the same thing about you guys!


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Percy
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Message 5495 of 5639 (873782)
03-19-2020 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 5474 by Faith
03-19-2020 9:21 AM


Re: George T. Conway III on Trump
Faith writes:

Shouldn't even you be getting tired of the incessant attacks on Trump about absolutely everything, now including the Corona virus?

Since Trump never tires of lying and misrepresenting about almost everything, now including the coronavirus, why should anyone tire of calling him on it.

As he says in the video his administration's response to the problem has been early and effective but they continue to attack him anyway.

Yes, he does claim that he moved early and effectively, and that's why the video included him saying that, because it is so starkly at odds with reality.

Yes Trump too often speaks in hyperbole,...

Hyperbole is exaggeration, not lying.

...you can get him on that but not to the extent he's usually subjected to.

Nobody living in reality and hearing Trump's pronouncements would characterize them as exaggeration but as lies and misrepresentations. Trump views each day as another opportunity to fight to come out looking good in the media (which is why he hates most of the media, increasingly including Fox News), instead of as another opportunity to do good for the country. That's why his responses to the coronavirus threat are likely to be so unsuccessful, because he'll be making decisions based on what he thinks will play best in the media instead of what is best for the country.

In responding to the attacks he overstates things he then has to take back.

Saying the number of infections would go down while it was going up is not overstating things. It is misrepresenting things.

Those who support him might be more inclined to comment on these errors if it weren't for the incessant overkill from his enemies. Their incessant attacks are the hoax.

A video of Trump speaking his own words is a hoax? Interesting perspective.

I'm sure everyone would love if the man at the top had given all indications of being up to the task before him, but he didn't, and he hasn't since before he took office. He continues to stumble, and it is the nation that will pay the price.

--Percy


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Message 5496 of 5639 (873786)
03-19-2020 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 5476 by Faith
03-19-2020 9:32 AM


Re: Trump Versus the Experts
Faith writes:

When they accuse him of lying that's the end of it for me.

Actually it's the beginning of it for you. Every time attention is called to a Trump lie you treat it like your call to arms to demonize those reporting it and to raise all possible spurious denials, deflections and accusations in his defense. Kellyanne Conway has nothing on you.

He talks too freely...

What you're calling "talks too freely" is what is known in popular parlance as lies and misrepresentations. It's not like it's subtle - he does everything out in the open.

...playing up the lack of danger on the basis of the small number of cases and the fact that he has acted to prevent the problem from spreading and has supported programs to deal with it...They acted early and they've put a lot of important measures in place. The Left's disproportionate reactions to a very effective leader are contemptible.

He was treating the problem as one to be managed in the media while ignoring the reality until Tucker Carlson hightailed it down to Mar-a-Lago and told Trump he had to begin taken the coronavirus threat seriously. Trump is media driven, so he listened to Carlson when he didn't listen to experts like Dr. Fauci.

That's not lying and I'm sick of the Left's inability to appreciate his many achievements. I have to agree that his response is a ten.

It's pretty much lying and a zero.

--Percy


AbE: When I have to answer posts with words in them that are censored for me, which censorship originated I know not where, I don't see how I can be expected to search for alternative words since they aren't my words to begin with.

Periodically you calm down and I clear your disallowed words list, but it doesn't take long before you're accusing your fellow participants of lying or some such again, and so I begin adding words back to your disallowed words list. I'll clear it out again, but whether it remains empty is up to you.


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Message 5497 of 5639 (873793)
03-19-2020 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 5496 by Percy
03-19-2020 1:47 PM


Re: Trump Versus the Experts
Periodically you calm down and I clear your disallowed words list, but it doesn't take long before you're accusing your fellow participants of lying or some such again, and so I begin adding words back to your disallowed words list. I'll clear it out again, but whether it remains empty is up to you.

Since I have NO idea what I said that prompted your censorshi8p there is no way it is "up to me" since it's probably the case that I think whatever I said is not the accusation you took it to be but a perfectly reasponable response, but since there is no way to tell I have no idea what I'm supposed to avoid.

And besides, there is some pretty outrageous stuff that is said to me that for some reason doesn't get censored.

Really, I'd much rather be suspended for a while as used to be the policy. This censoring of words is extremely offensive as it interferes with ordinary communication. Words that come to mind for it are "invasive," "mind rape," "totalitarian bullying," "deprivation of freedom of speech." Just suspend me please.

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Message 5498 of 5639 (873810)
03-19-2020 5:17 PM
Reply to: Message 5482 by Faith
03-19-2020 9:57 AM


Re: Trump Versus the Experts
Faith writes:

And now we get the standard litany of Trump bashing.

You say this as if criticism of Trump is an unjustified outgrowth of personal dislike. But criticism of Trump does not spring from dislike but from the nature of what he does, which includes lies, misrepresentations, misogyny, racism, bigotry, xenophobia, self enrichment, personal animosity and insults, a chaotic management style, antagonism toward American institutions, inability to master detail, keeping his own council on matters he knows little or nothing about, ignoring expert advice, establishing cronyism at the top of government by making loyalty the primary qualification of his administration, turning government into a daily reality show, an extreme narcissism that leaves him devoid of any empathy, and caring about no one but himself to so great an extent that it threatens the entire country.

It is baffling that nearly half the country either can't recognize these qualities or doesn't care.

It is instructive that you defend Trump not by arguing from facts but by denying them while attacking those who call attention to them.

--Percy


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Message 5499 of 5639 (873812)
03-19-2020 5:20 PM
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03-19-2020 5:17 PM


Re: Trump Versus the Experts
Percy writes:

It is baffling that nearly half the country either can't recognize these qualities or doesn't care.

Why is it baffling? Hasn't every despot been supported by a large percentage of the population?


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Message 5500 of 5639 (873815)
03-19-2020 5:35 PM
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03-19-2020 5:17 PM


Re: Trump Versus the Experts
Percy writes:

Faith writes:

And now we get the standard litany of Trump bashing.

You say this as if criticism of Trump is an unjustified outgrowth of personal dislike. But criticism of Trump does not spring from dislike but from the nature of what he does, which includes lies, misrepresentations, misogyny, racism, bigotry, xenophobia, self enrichment, personal animosity and insults, a chaotic management style, antagonism toward American institutions, inability to master detail, keeping his own council on matters he knows little or nothing about, ignoring expert advice, establishing cronyism at the top of government by making loyalty the primary qualification of his administration, turning government into a daily reality show, an extreme narcissism that leaves him devoid of any empathy, and caring about no one but himself to so great an extent that it threatens the entire country.

99% of which is dislike plus ideology. You seem to be utterly unaware of the ideology you have embraced that comes from the Left. It's all false as applied to Trump. He has some personality flaws and a few are on your list but in the context of the irrational hatred and false ideology I have no interest in addressing them.

It is baffling that nearly half the country either can't recognize these qualities or doesn't care.

Well, we on the other side find the half of the country on your side equally baffling.

It is instructive that you defend Trump not by arguing from facts but by denying them while attacking those who call attention to them.

I do not recognize them as facts, they are ideological smears, utterly untrue.


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Message 5501 of 5639 (873821)
03-19-2020 6:21 PM
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03-19-2020 5:35 PM


Re: Trump Versus the Experts
Let me quote the factual portion of your response, then I'll respond to each point in detail:

Faith writes:

--Percy


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Message 5502 of 5639 (873827)
03-19-2020 9:44 PM


I'll just drop this here

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Message 5503 of 5639 (873837)
03-20-2020 9:50 AM
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Re: I'll just drop this here

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Message 5504 of 5639 (873838)
03-20-2020 9:53 AM
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03-20-2020 9:50 AM


Re: I'll just drop this here
Add Sonny Perdue from Georgia to the list.

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Message 5505 of 5639 (873839)
03-20-2020 9:53 AM


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