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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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JonF Member (Idle past 195 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Bullshit. In the one frame thy are minimizing the danger and in the other they are acknowledging it.
quote: quote: quote:You didn't even look at the video, did you? Edited by JonF, : No reason given. Edited by JonF, : No reason given. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
No Faith, they are simply realistic descriptions of your behavior. There is a hope that you will someday regain some touch with reality. Change your behavior and you will no longer be a fool or deplorable. There is hope for all of you, waning hope I will admit, but still some hope.
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JonF Member (Idle past 195 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Here it is in list form, from Trump's Statements About the Coronavirus - FactCheck.org
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Phat Member Posts: 18343 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
There is hope for all of you, waning hope I will admit, but still some hope. we say the same thing about you guys! The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: Shouldn't even you be getting tired of the incessant attacks on Trump about absolutely everything, now including the Corona virus? Since Trump never tires of lying and misrepresenting about almost everything, now including the coronavirus, why should anyone tire of calling him on it.
As he says in the video his administration's response to the problem has been early and effective but they continue to attack him anyway. Yes, he does claim that he moved early and effectively, and that's why the video included him saying that, because it is so starkly at odds with reality.
Yes Trump too often speaks in hyperbole,... Hyperbole is exaggeration, not lying.
...you can get him on that but not to the extent he's usually subjected to. Nobody living in reality and hearing Trump's pronouncements would characterize them as exaggeration but as lies and misrepresentations. Trump views each day as another opportunity to fight to come out looking good in the media (which is why he hates most of the media, increasingly including Fox News), instead of as another opportunity to do good for the country. That's why his responses to the coronavirus threat are likely to be so unsuccessful, because he'll be making decisions based on what he thinks will play best in the media instead of what is best for the country.
In responding to the attacks he overstates things he then has to take back. Saying the number of infections would go down while it was going up is not overstating things. It is misrepresenting things.
Those who support him might be more inclined to comment on these errors if it weren't for the incessant overkill from his enemies. Their incessant attacks are the hoax. A video of Trump speaking his own words is a hoax? Interesting perspective. I'm sure everyone would love if the man at the top had given all indications of being up to the task before him, but he didn't, and he hasn't since before he took office. He continues to stumble, and it is the nation that will pay the price. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: When they accuse him of lying that's the end of it for me. Actually it's the beginning of it for you. Every time attention is called to a Trump lie you treat it like your call to arms to demonize those reporting it and to raise all possible spurious denials, deflections and accusations in his defense. Kellyanne Conway has nothing on you.
He talks too freely... What you're calling "talks too freely" is what is known in popular parlance as lies and misrepresentations. It's not like it's subtle - he does everything out in the open.
...playing up the lack of danger on the basis of the small number of cases and the fact that he has acted to prevent the problem from spreading and has supported programs to deal with it...They acted early and they've put a lot of important measures in place. The Left's disproportionate reactions to a very effective leader are contemptible. He was treating the problem as one to be managed in the media while ignoring the reality until Tucker Carlson hightailed it down to Mar-a-Lago and told Trump he had to begin taken the coronavirus threat seriously. Trump is media driven, so he listened to Carlson when he didn't listen to experts like Dr. Fauci.
That's not lying and I'm sick of the Left's inability to appreciate his many achievements. I have to agree that his response is a ten. It's pretty much lying and a zero. --Percy AbE: When I have to answer posts with words in them that are censored for me, which censorship originated I know not where, I don't see how I can be expected to search for alternative words since they aren't my words to begin with. Periodically you calm down and I clear your disallowed words list, but it doesn't take long before you're accusing your fellow participants of lying or some such again, and so I begin adding words back to your disallowed words list. I'll clear it out again, but whether it remains empty is up to you.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Periodically you calm down and I clear your disallowed words list, but it doesn't take long before you're accusing your fellow participants of lying or some such again, and so I begin adding words back to your disallowed words list. I'll clear it out again, but whether it remains empty is up to you. Since I have NO idea what I said that prompted your censorshi8p there is no way it is "up to me" since it's probably the case that I think whatever I said is not the accusation you took it to be but a perfectly reasponable response, but since there is no way to tell I have no idea what I'm supposed to avoid. And besides, there is some pretty outrageous stuff that is said to me that for some reason doesn't get censored. Really, I'd much rather be suspended for a while as used to be the policy. This censoring of words is extremely offensive as it interferes with ordinary communication. Words that come to mind for it are "invasive," "mind rape," "totalitarian bullying," "deprivation of freedom of speech." Just suspend me please. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: And now we get the standard litany of Trump bashing. You say this as if criticism of Trump is an unjustified outgrowth of personal dislike. But criticism of Trump does not spring from dislike but from the nature of what he does, which includes lies, misrepresentations, misogyny, racism, bigotry, xenophobia, self enrichment, personal animosity and insults, a chaotic management style, antagonism toward American institutions, inability to master detail, keeping his own council on matters he knows little or nothing about, ignoring expert advice, establishing cronyism at the top of government by making loyalty the primary qualification of his administration, turning government into a daily reality show, an extreme narcissism that leaves him devoid of any empathy, and caring about no one but himself to so great an extent that it threatens the entire country. It is baffling that nearly half the country either can't recognize these qualities or doesn't care. It is instructive that you defend Trump not by arguing from facts but by denying them while attacking those who call attention to them. --Percy
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Percy writes: It is baffling that nearly half the country either can't recognize these qualities or doesn't care. Why is it baffling? Hasn't every despot been supported by a large percentage of the population?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Percy writes: Faith writes: And now we get the standard litany of Trump bashing. You say this as if criticism of Trump is an unjustified outgrowth of personal dislike. But criticism of Trump does not spring from dislike but from the nature of what he does, which includes lies, misrepresentations, misogyny, racism, bigotry, xenophobia, self enrichment, personal animosity and insults, a chaotic management style, antagonism toward American institutions, inability to master detail, keeping his own council on matters he knows little or nothing about, ignoring expert advice, establishing cronyism at the top of government by making loyalty the primary qualification of his administration, turning government into a daily reality show, an extreme narcissism that leaves him devoid of any empathy, and caring about no one but himself to so great an extent that it threatens the entire country. 99% of which is dislike plus ideology. You seem to be utterly unaware of the ideology you have embraced that comes from the Left. It's all false as applied to Trump. He has some personality flaws and a few are on your list but in the context of the irrational hatred and false ideology I have no interest in addressing them.
It is baffling that nearly half the country either can't recognize these qualities or doesn't care. Well, we on the other side find the half of the country on your side equally baffling.
It is instructive that you defend Trump not by arguing from facts but by denying them while attacking those who call attention to them. I do not recognize them as facts, they are ideological smears, utterly untrue.
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Let me quote the factual portion of your response, then I'll respond to each point in detail:
Faith writes: --Percy
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JonF Member (Idle past 195 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
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JonF Member (Idle past 195 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
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Three Republicans so far. And zero Democrats.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Add Sonny Perdue from Georgia to the list.
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