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Faith 
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Message 5746 of 5794 (874867)
04-11-2020 8:27 AM
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04-11-2020 8:23 AM


Re: too much quarantine?
It's not so much letting it spread as it is trying to keep it limited to people who aren't as vulernable to it so there wouldn't be all the deaths you are describing. That's the idea. Maybe it's not feasible. Maybe the virus is more lethal than this idea takes into account.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 5747 of 5794 (874869)
04-11-2020 8:35 AM
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04-11-2020 8:27 AM


Re: too much quarantine?
quote:
It's not so much letting it spread as it is trying to keep it limited to people who aren't as vulernable to it so there wouldn't be all the deaths you are describing

Healthy people die of coronavirus, too. If we run out of respirators more of them will die.


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Message 5748 of 5794 (874870)
04-11-2020 9:05 AM
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04-11-2020 8:27 AM


Volunteers?
... It's not so much letting it spread as it is trying to keep it limited to people who aren't as vulernable ...

Shall we ask for volunteers?

Enjoy


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Message 5749 of 5794 (874871)
04-11-2020 9:08 AM
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04-11-2020 9:05 AM


Re: Volunteers?
It's the classic crap from the pitiful antivaxers.

Just another piece of evidence of their total disconnection from reality.


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Message 5750 of 5794 (874873)
04-11-2020 9:13 AM
Reply to: Message 5736 by Faith
04-10-2020 11:22 PM


Re: Chicago area hospital drive-thru tests more people with antibodies than active virus
Experts change predictions based on new evidence. That's a good thing.

What other experts are criticizing them? Hannity? Limbaugh?


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Message 5751 of 5794 (874874)
04-11-2020 9:15 AM
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04-10-2020 4:55 PM


Re: Could he be stupider?
The germ has gotten so brilliant that the antibiotic can't keep up with it ...

I'd like to see this in a wider context.

What is happening in Denver that is different than everywhere else? What question was he answering? Is he really talking Trump Virus or something else?

We know The Bastard's stream-of-consciousness rambling takes many twists and turns when left off-script, and I'm thinking he was *not* talking Trump Virus but responding to something other.

Does anyone have the initial question The Bastard was responding to? Was it really Trump Virus or did the question have some other tack?

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


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Message 5752 of 5794 (874875)
04-11-2020 9:18 AM
Reply to: Message 5737 by Faith
04-10-2020 11:27 PM


Re: Chicago area hospital drive-thru tests more people with antibodies than active virus
Yeah, the "let people die for Wall Street" proposal. Build up immunity with hundreds of thousands of deaths.

Schoolchildren are susceptible, although not much. But they're also great carriers, infecting all their home.

Levin is not an expert. His guest may or may not be.

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Message 5753 of 5794 (874878)
04-11-2020 9:24 AM
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04-11-2020 5:53 AM


Re: Chicago area hospital drive-thru tests more people with antibodies than active virus
She wouldn't see the results. Only the doctor , the patient, and any other professional involved in treatment.

Edited by JonF, : No reason given.


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Message 5754 of 5794 (874881)
04-11-2020 9:39 AM
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04-11-2020 6:10 AM


Re: Chicago area hospital drive-thru tests more people with antibodies than active virus
If he thinks Covid-19 is essentially a flu, he's an ignorant quack. No matter what sheepskins he has.

Flu viruses and coronaviruses are not genetically related. The incubation time of this coronavirus is much longer than flu, making transmission while asymptomatic much more likely. The percentages of severe and critical infections are significant higher for coronavirus. So far, the mortality rate of Covid-19 is much higher than flu (Of course the experts will change their predictions as evidence accumulates.) We have vaccines that block many strains of flu, and nothing for Covid-19.


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Message 5755 of 5794 (874882)
04-11-2020 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 5744 by Faith
04-11-2020 7:54 AM


Re: too much quarantine?
As of now herd immunity requires hundreds of thousands to millions of deaths.

But it's worth it to save Wall Street.

Anyone who says Covid-19 is just a flu is an ignorant quack. See previous message and Q&A: Similarities and differences – COVID-19 and influenza (that's WHO).


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Message 5756 of 5794 (874883)
04-11-2020 9:46 AM
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04-11-2020 8:27 AM


Re: too much quarantine?
Maybe it's not feasible. Maybe the virus is more lethal than this idea takes into account.

Ya think? Covid-19 is especially lethal. Much more than the flu.

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Message 5757 of 5794 (874884)
04-11-2020 9:52 AM
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04-11-2020 9:15 AM


Re: Could he be stupider?

Edited by JonF, : No reason given.


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Message 5758 of 5794 (874885)
04-11-2020 11:30 AM
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04-11-2020 9:52 AM


Re: Could he be stupider?
Thank you, JonF.

I did find the full briefing on YouTube and was able to see the full scope of the question and The Orange Bastard’s (OB) answer, and I’m pretty sure he was *not* talking *only* about Trump Virus directly when he was rambling on.

I can imagine that during this crisis Dr. Fauci is giving 101-level classes to OB during which he cited antibiotic resistance as another major problem though not directly related to Trump Virus except that this bug too is, childishly put, a *smart* bug that seeks to thwart our immune defenses.

So OB’s few semi-literate neurons naturally glom onto the antibiotic story when he’s trying to say how much of a problem Trump Virus is because it too, like the bacteria Dr. Fauci told him about, are really really smart and really really invisible. Shades of a 6 year-old trying to comprehend biology.

The tell-tale was when OB tried, and flubbed, his rendition of going into heart surgery and then dying from infection. We all know that such occurrences are not rare due to antibiotic resistance and unrelated to Trump Virus.

So, I’m thinking that OB went into one of his stream-of-consciousness modes and his few semi-literate neurons kept changing lanes without signaling unable to focus on his subject of how complex Trump Virus is without getting sidetracked into his rather elementary-school playground-level knowledge of superbugs and the antibiotic resistance problem.

The original giggle of The Orange Bastard thinking antibiotics relate to Trump Virus is probably not true. In its place we are left with the more dangerous nightmare of watching OB’s childish thought processes in action … again.

We’re screwed.


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Message 5759 of 5794 (874892)
04-11-2020 3:34 PM
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04-11-2020 9:46 AM


Re: too much quarantine?
Ya think? Covid-19 is especially lethal. Much more than the flu.

Yeah, New York City doesn't usually resort to mass burial sites during flu season.


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Message 5760 of 5794 (874893)
04-11-2020 3:48 PM
Reply to: Message 5741 by Faith
04-11-2020 5:53 AM


Re: Chicago area hospital drive-thru tests more people with antibodies than active virus
All I know is that the phlebotomist in the story reported on the results of her blood samples.

My daughter-in-law is a medical professional, a physician assistant -- in normal hospital life, a PA does all the actual medical work with the patients while the MD is an administrator. She replied to my Facebook message:

quote:
Phlebotomists just draw the blood

Which is exactly what I and others are telling you. The phlebotomist just draws the blood and gives it to the lab technician. The lab tech performs the analysis and gives the results to the physician who interprets the results and reports to whomever (eg, patient, public health agencies). The only way that the phlebotomist would know anything the results would be if the lab tech or physician or public health agency leaked that information back to her, which reduces her knowledge of the results to rumor.

The phlebotomist would be a reliable primary source for information about how much testing she's doing and for her impression of how the test subjects are presenting in general. She is not a reliable primary source for information about the results.

That that article uses the phlebotomist as a primary source instead of using the physician or public health agency makes me suspect the Chicago City Wire.

 
That's reality. That's how things work. But of course you, in your infinite ignorance, will reject reality yet again.


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