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RAZD
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Message 5761 of 5795 (874894)
04-11-2020 4:03 PM
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04-11-2020 9:52 AM


Re: Could he be stupider?
Sadly many people will not understand what's wrong with what he said.


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Message 5762 of 5795 (874895)
04-11-2020 4:04 PM
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04-11-2020 4:03 PM


Re: Could he be stupider?
RAZD writes:

Sadly many people will not understand what's wrong with what he said.

Sadly many people will applaud what he said.


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dwise1
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Message 5763 of 5795 (874898)
04-11-2020 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 5742 by Faith
04-11-2020 6:10 AM


Re: Chicago area hospital drive-thru tests more people with antibodies than active virus
There's no "plan" ...

It most certainly looked like a plan. Infect the children who in turn spread the infection. Those who survive should have developed immunity and hence build up herd immunity.

The primary problems with that is that that kind of behavior is what has resulted in the NYC hospitals being overwhelmed and in thousands of Americans dying. There's also the problem of not even knowing whether recovering from this virus endows the victim with immunity; there are reports of recovered patients becoming infected again, so this is a very important question that needs more research.

... I merely described what this man said and he was very impressive ...

Considering your long and unbroken history of being very impressed with pure BS, that does nothing to recommend this man and what you report he said.

... the first thing he said was that the vulnerable people need to be protected so there's no idea of children going home to infect grandparents.

So where are they supposed to go? You send them off to school and then lock them out of the house? If they get infected (which is the plan, after all), then letting them come in contact with their parents and other family members will spread the infection to them. When grandparents live with the family (which does happen), then that will indeed infect the grandparents. If not, then those infected family members will infect the grandparents.

And allowing the free spread of infection is what's causing the overwhelming of the healthcare system. Plus, the rest of the family is also vulnerable to getting sick from this and dying. Even the children -- one healthcare worker reported on her 4-year-old son being hospitalized with severe symptoms.

And I didn't quote Levin about the other medical needs so you can drop the accusation of him. He didn't "conflate" anything, I merely made a general statement.

That is a BS lie! Why are you lying to us yet again?

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Faith writes:

Levin was also talking about how the numbers of infections and deaths are terribly inflated, how other causes of death are often not distinguished from the virus, how people who need other kinds of medical attention aren't getting it because everything is dedicated to the virus..

In your reporting of what Levin was talking about, he was indeed conflating emergency and non-emergency medical needs. Or were you just lying about that too?

Whichever it is, my description what's actually happening and of how things actually work (ie, reality) is still valid. All you have done has been to try to avoid reality yet again.

Also, thank you for exposing Levin as an unreliable source. Or that your interpretation of what he says is highly unreliable. Either way, we now know with great certainty to reject as nonsense anything you tell us about what he says.

If so the sooner they can be tested for antibodies the better.

Yes! We need testing. Now! Without testing we have almost no chance to get this pandemic under control or to restart the economy.

The problem is that the US is a strong contender for #1 in its failure to test. All empty boastful bluster aside, we've only tested about 1% of the US population. We desperately need widespread and aggressive testing to be able to identify and quarantine the asymptomatic infected as well as the ones with antibodies (ie, had been exposed but recovered).

One of the vital reasons for identifying who has antibodies is so that we can study whether that confers immunity and whether that keeps them from being carriers who could infect others. Our social and economic recovery depends very much on workers who cannot become infected and who will not infect others.

But we cannot get there if we remain ignorant about this disease, which is where we'll remain stuck without testing.

We know that ignorance does not work, because we've already tried it. Far too many times.


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Message 5764 of 5795 (874899)
04-11-2020 4:53 PM
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04-11-2020 9:05 AM


Re: Volunteers?
Faith writes:

... It's not so much letting it spread as it is trying to keep it limited to people who aren't as vulernable ...


Shall we ask for volunteers?

That are churches filled with those volunteers, especially tomorrow (Easter Sunday).

It's becoming a Facebook meme to post news of yet another denouncer of COVID-19 as a hoax having just died of the disease. Most of them are pastors of churches who encourage their congregations to pack in tightly and make a point of shaking as many hands as possible. Dare we say that that naturally occurring meme is going viral?


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Message 5765 of 5795 (874900)
04-11-2020 4:56 PM
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04-11-2020 4:44 PM


Re: Chicago area hospital drive-thru tests more people with antibodies than active virus
Yes! We need testing. Now!.

Of course Trump addressed this need by trying to get the Feds out of the testing business. That was too much for a lot of people.

Following Backlash, Trump Admin Now Says Funding for COVID-19 Testing Sites Will Continue


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Message 5766 of 5795 (874901)
04-11-2020 5:07 PM
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04-11-2020 4:56 PM


Re: Chicago area hospital drive-thru tests more people with antibodies than active virus
Of course Trump addressed this need by trying to get the Feds out of the testing business. That was too much for a lot of people.

I had heard that testing sites were having to close because Trump was pulling funding for them.

Absolute insanity! Why would he do such a thing? All I could think was that he was reverting to his ¿reasoning? during the issue of letting passengers off that cruise ship off of California where he didn't want them to increase the official number of infections because that would make him look bad. More complete testing will inevitably increase the official number of infected Americans, and so, what, he's afraid that will make him look even worse?


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Message 5767 of 5795 (874906)
04-11-2020 6:07 PM
Reply to: Message 5764 by dwise1
04-11-2020 4:53 PM


Re: Volunteers?
Well at least if they are true believers they get to go and be with Jesus.

But my bet is it's very few churches and probably those with a charismatic theology that are engaging in this foolish virus baiting. It's not that God can't protect us but you have to know that's His will in a particular case, you can't just assume it.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Coragyps
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Message 5768 of 5795 (874908)
04-11-2020 6:13 PM
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04-11-2020 6:07 PM


Re: Volunteers?
How many of those True Believers are there in the US? Six or eight? Two dozen?

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Message 5769 of 5795 (874910)
04-11-2020 6:49 PM
Reply to: Message 5768 by Coragyps
04-11-2020 6:13 PM


How Many True Christians
It's true there are a lot of self-described Christians who don't really believe Christian doctrine these days. Surveys have to be careful to find out what is actually believed because people think they are Christians without believing anything Christian. Here's a survey reviewed in Christianity Today

LifeWay’s survey found that evangelical beliefs remain strongest in the South, where 23 percent of the population qualifies, compared to 15 percent in the Midwest and only 5 percent in the Northeast.

Not many really, but more than two dozen.

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Message 5770 of 5795 (874926)
04-11-2020 10:45 PM
Reply to: Message 5760 by dwise1
04-11-2020 3:48 PM


Re: Chicago area hospital drive-thru tests more people with antibodies than active virus
I have two sisters that are phlebotomists. They run the lab equipment to conduct the tests. Depending on lab location and other things, they may or may not take the blood samples. One works in hospital lab and occasionally takes samples. The other in commercial lab serving doctors’ offices and almost never takes samples. Phlebotomist may be more a technical distinction from lab tech based on training and licensing. I know both had post college training and need continuing education.

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14174dm
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Message 5771 of 5795 (874927)
04-11-2020 10:50 PM
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04-11-2020 6:07 PM


Re: Volunteers?
How do they tell which are Job to prove his faith in God and which are Job’s family to be wiped out to test Job?

Edited by 14174dm, : Typo

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Message 5772 of 5795 (874928)
04-11-2020 11:22 PM
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04-11-2020 10:50 PM


Re: Volunteers?
I was raised Catholic and I just have to say that the story of Jobe was one thing that I couldn't reconcile with the idea of a caring God. Even at the age of ten or so I saw through this Chirstian Or any other God.

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Message 5773 of 5795 (874931)
04-12-2020 12:59 AM
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04-11-2020 6:07 PM


Re: Volunteers?
Well at least if they are true believers they get to go and be with Jesus.

Even if that were the case, what about all the people they killed with their stupidity? Some of the bad and sudden outbreaks have been traced back to large packed churches.

But my bet is it's very few churches and probably those with a charismatic theology that are engaging in this foolish virus baiting.

Probably more than you think, especially considering the strong Trump support among many evangelicals which resulted in many, including the pastors, calling the virus a hoax (echoing their understanding of Trump's earlier dismissal of the virus) and congregating in large groups and shaking as many hands as possible as a form of protest in support of Trump. In addition, Republican leaders in red states have either held back on banning large gatherings or have tried (and often succeeded) in making religious gatherings exempt from those rules, ignoring the fact that such gatherings have shown to be flashpoints of massive infection.

Their actions are not motivated by religion, but rather by political ideology. If they want to go and "be with Jesus", then fine, let them. But we cannot allow them to take everybody else with them.


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Message 5774 of 5795 (874932)
04-12-2020 1:27 AM
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04-11-2020 10:45 PM


Re: Chicago area hospital drive-thru tests more people with antibodies than active virus
Maybe just because it's a drive-thu I assumed she took the samples but perhaps that was my mistake and she was only giving the results of the lab tests she ran.

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RAZD
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Message 5775 of 5795 (874957)
04-12-2020 7:16 AM
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04-11-2020 4:53 PM


Re: Volunteers?
That are churches filled with those volunteers, especially tomorrow (Easter Sunday).

Are there Mass Darwin Awards?

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