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Nope, you missed it completely. That tweet from Jacob Wohl (and retweeted by Trump) is yet another example of that now-traditional right-wing lie, a "birther claim" (something that Trump himself is infamous for and, to my knowledge, has never repented for nor even admit that he was wrong).This is a right-wing conspiracy lie that Kamala Harris is disqualified from being President for not being a natural-born citizen despite that fact that she is indeed a natural-born citizen because she was born here in Oakland, Calif, a fact which the tweet makes sure to avoid mentioning. For that matter, both her parents were not only legal immigrants, but they were also professionals (mother was a breast cancer scientist and father is a Stanford University economics professor), the kind of immigrants that Trump wants. Though she was a Tamil Indian and he was Jamaican, giving them skin colors that Trump does not want in immigrants.You also forgot what an "anchor baby" is: "a child born to a non-citizen mother in a country that has birthright citizenship which will therefore help the mother and other family members gain legal residency." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchor_baby) The question of Kamala Harris being a natural-born citizen was not raised in order to put her parents' status in question, but rather in order to deceive right-wingers into believing that she doesn't meet the basic constitutional qualifications for the office of President.We should also note that Jacob Wohl (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Wohl) is the fraud who last year (around October, as I seem to recall) fronted a fake private intelligence agency, Surefire Intelligence, LLC, that tried to recruit women to file fraudulent sexual assault accusations against Robert Mueller. That Surefire's website had pictures of its officers: Surefire was headed by "Matthew Cohen" who looked exactly like Wohl, their "Tel Aviv station chief" was the spitting image of Israeli supermodel Bar Refaeli, and another employee looked exactly like two-time Oscar-winning Austrian actor Christoph Waltz -- IOW, he just grabbed some photos from the Web. Surefire's street address was the address of an unrelated company and its official phone number redirected to a voicemail message with another phone number owned by Wohl's mother -- even an eight-year-old knows to never use your mother's number (a reporter told the story to a friend whose eight-year-old did a palm-plant saying, "You never use your mother's number!")Now, Faith, my question to you is: How much coverage did your Fake News Network give that story? Somehow, I have a very strong feeling that this is the first time you've heard about it (not counting any previous mention of it on this forum).Edited by dwise1, : Added Wikipedia link to Jacob Wohl

I suppose we can check a wide variety of sources to see if there is any consensus. Tell me, does this website know anything? Or are they biased one way or the other also?

There is a consensus. What Faith is claiming is lies. Motor voter does not allow undocumented to register to vote and vote. If there was evidence of this then it needs to be presented. Wingnuts would go crazy if there was such evidence and it would be everywhere and easy to find.
California is not bankrupt. In fact it has a huge surplus. This is a fact. It is not debatable.The Kamala Harris crap is lies and bullshit. Plain reading of the US Constitution and US statutes shows this. It is not debatable.

They aren't experts if they don't know there is a massive budget surplus in California right now. A reasonable way to approach this contradiction is to see if the state of California has a budget surplus or doesn't have enough money. The facts show that they have massive budget surpluses. So who do you think this supports?

That law is not clear, and the way it is construed is insane.

I am not in a position to judge such things. Yes they are experts. I believe the conservatives, and i believe them mostly because I saw Marxist propaganda growing for decades, viciously committed to destroying western civilization. That isn't going to change. I guess there is no way to resolve any of this.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I can't read that site. My eyes have been getting worse since I had to go off the supplement for too long. Bright backgrounds blind me.Finding a consensus isn't going to happen and I'm not sure it would prove much if we found it. There is apparently a completely different way of not only explaining but even perceiving the world.There is no way this is going to be resolved. That's already clear.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I don't doubt that that's what you're hearing. It's just that you are listening to people who are lying to you. The oil companies had their teams of experts denying that the large amounts of lead that leaded gasoline was pumping into the environment wasn't doing anybody any harm. The tobacco companies had their teams of experts claiming that smoking didn't harm anyone, especially second-hand smoke (remember The Tobacco Institute?).Part of how they are deceiving you is in how they keep information away from you. FOX News does that often. For example, what have those conservative talk shows of yours told you about Brownback's Kansas Experiment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_experiment), in which Gov Brownback converted the state's economy to "trickle-down" by enacting large tax cuts? Before that experiment succeeded in completely destroying the Kansas economy, the Republican-led legislature had to step in and raise taxes, directly opposing Gov. Brownback. And then in Dec 2017, a Trump-submissive Congress enacted the Kansas Experiment on a national level.The difference is that actual news programs try to present both sides and to actually examine and discuss what's actually happening, not blocking the viewers/listeners from seeing or hearing anything.For example, they don't just tell us what somebody said, but they actually show us the video. Has your Fake News Network reported that Trump went into the shutdown owning it, saying explicitly that he was responsible for it and wouldn't blame the Democrats for it? Or have they only shown Trump blaming the Democrats? Well, we've seen the video of him owning the shutdown many times.When Trump now claims that he never said that Mexico would pay for the wall, our media shows several videos of Trump saying that Mexico would pay for it and his audience started chanting it. Does your Fake News Network do that? I would say that it is because your sources of information has a vested interest in keeping information away from you.

Hi Faith, California resident here, since 1981. What folks are telling you here is true. We have a budget surplus and our new governor has great plans for our people going forward. I also live in a very conservative part of CA (McCarthy is my rep), so I hear your kind of complaints & dubious facts all the time, from residents who have been here in CA a lot longer than I. When I ask them why they stay in California if it's so awful, all they can reply is "the weather". Lol.California rivals most countries in economic production, quality of life, and freedom of thought. BTW, most of us in this part of CA own guns (even me!) appreciate our latinx population, and attend church regularly (not me!)Take this however you may, but I'm a Californian telling you it's really just fine out here.P.S. I love the number of your message I'm responding to, how ironic!Edited by ooh-child, : No reason given.

Sorry, once I hear I'm being lied to, or accused of lying, that's the end of it. I don't read any more.

I lived for thirty years in California, in two of the most Leftist areas. I saw the violence of the sixties erupting all around me. I wonder what this "surplus" means. I certainly hope the state doesn't disintegrate because I have two sets of family there still. But I'm not going to reject what the conservatives are saying. I'll just have to wait.

Which why you will never learn any better. You are practicing willful ignorance in an extreme manner. Nobody can ever possibly be able to help you. All we can do is pity you.

No they are not lying. You are dug into a political position and refuse to look at the other side. Sorry.

Actually Trump did not retweet that particular tweet. I intended to note Wohl's street cred. Trump has retweeted some of Wohl's tweets.

The Constitution is extremely clear.

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All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

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Read that first sentence a few times. It's absolutely one of the clearest sentences in any law.There's a long list of lower and Supreme Court decisions affirming that:. Here's Wikipedia on one of them, an exceptionally clear decision:

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Wong Kim Ark (1904)
Wong Kim Ark, in a photograph taken from a 1904 U.S. immigration document
In the case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), the Supreme Court was presented with the following question:

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[Whether a] child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States, by virtue of the first clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution, "All person born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

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The decision centered upon the 14th Amendment's reference to "jurisdiction", and concluded:

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the Fourteenth Amendment affirms the ancient and fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the territory, in the allegiance and under the protection of the country, including all children here born of resident aliens, with the exceptions or qualifications (as old as the rule itself) of children of foreign sovereigns or their ministers, or born on foreign public ships, or of enemies within and during a hostile occupation of part of our territory, and with the single additional exception of children of members of the Indian tribes owing direct allegiance to their several tribes. The Amendment, in clear words and in manifest intent, includes the children born, within the territory of the United States, of all other persons, of whatever race or color, domiciled within the United States. Every citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States. His allegiance to the United States is direct and immediate, and, although but local and temporary, continuing only so long as he remains within our territory, is yet, in the words of Lord Coke in Calvin's Case, 7 Rep. 6a, "strong enough to make a natural subject, for if he hath issue here, that issue is a natural-born subject;" and his child, as said by Mr. Binney in his essay before quoted, "if born in the country, is as much a citizen as the natural-born child of a citizen, and by operation of the same principle."

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There is no substance to any challenge of the current situation. The only way to change the current situation is a Constitutional amendment. Good luck with that.