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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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JonF Member (Idle past 190 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Well, that was quick. The Senate resolution condemning Trump for his Syria and Afghanistan policies has passed 68-23. From Senate rebukes Trump’s plan to withdraw U.S. forces from Syria, Afghanistan:
quote: The article doesn't state how many of the 68 yea votes were Democrat or Republican, but given that there are 53 Republicans in Congress, at least 15 Democrats must have voted for the measure. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Trump is making noises about declaring a national emergency to build his wall, but a dispute with Congress should not be a national emergency. That this is so should not be a partisan issue because almost everyone on both sides of the aisle likely agrees that presidents should not do this. A national emergency is not, "Congress won't give me money for my ." No one regardless of party should favor any president declaring a national emergency because of a disagreement with Congress. Disagreements between branches of government are not national emergencies.
Hopefully such a move would be open to numerous legal challenges. Trump's authoritarian proclivities have to be nipped in the bud because it isn't such a large step from a national emergency to calling out the military to shut down Congress and the federal courts. In my opinion the National Emergencies Act is widely abused, because there are 28 currently active national emergencies. Why are they still active? I don't get it. The Iran hostage crisis is still an active national emergency, as is 9/11. This is absurd and something we have to fix. Most of the active national emergencies seem like incredibly trivial matters compared to what a national emergency should be. One example of a trivial national emergency is "Blocking Property of Certain Persons Undermining Democratic Processes or Institutions in Belarus (Jun. 16, 2006)." Most of the active national emergencies are like that one. Why does stuff like this need to be a national emergency? With 28 currently active national emergencies we obviously need to revamp the National Emergencies Act so that national emergencies don't go on for decades, and to provide some other means of blocking property. Source: Here are the 28 active national emergencies --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
The New York Times has just come out with an article with a little more information: Senate Rebukes Trump Over Troop Withdrawals From Syria and Afghanistan. Based on this new information I condemn the following Senate Democrats for voting against the measure:
I am strongly in favor of reducing our involvement in overseas wars, but now that we're in we should only get out if we can assure ourselves that it is not to our own detriment or that of any of our allies. We can't leave Syria because ISIS isn't really defeated and it would leave the Kurds at the mercy of the Turks. And we can't leave Afghanistan because it would leave the weak (both politically and militarily) government at the mercy of the Taliban, and we couldn't guarantee that an Afghanistan run by the Taliban wouldn't return to being a breeding ground for terrorists. --Percy
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Taq Member Posts: 10045 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Percy writes: I am strongly in favor of reducing our involvement in overseas wars, but now that we're in we should only get out if we can assure ourselves that it is not to our own detriment or that of any of our allies. We can't leave Syria because ISIS isn't really defeated and it would leave the Kurds at the mercy of the Turks. And we can't leave Afghanistan because it would leave the weak (both politically and militarily) government at the mercy of the Taliban, and we couldn't guarantee that an Afghanistan run by the Taliban wouldn't return to being a breeding ground for terrorists. Agreed. Gen. Colin Powell laid out the Pottery Barn rule (if you break it, you own it), and that check has been passed to each new adminstration. The US broke that part of the Middle East, so now have to fix it no matter how any one individual may view the mess that got us here.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9144 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Evidence please
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9144 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Then you are trolling
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9144 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
More trolling.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No, this is a concerted attempt to bring down Trump and everything and anything negative that they can conjure up or inflate or outright invent will do for that purpose. That is correct. And the sooner the better. Thank you very much for admitting the plan to overturn a legitimate election, disqualify all who voted for him, essentially relegating us to the Gulag of PC opprobrium or the social death penalty, destroy America's freedoms and Constitution and make us a Leftist dictatorship of Third World stature. Do you plan to be in the ruling class? If not perhaps I'll run into you standing in the long long line for the last loaf of moldy bread in the store. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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PaulK writes: But America has always been a capitalist system, so why wasn't this a problem until the last few decades? The central issue is that wages are a cost and in a capitalist system there is pressure to keep costs down. There are a number of ways that has played out, but that is the underlying reason. Don't you remember your history? Or did you never learn it? Unrestrained capitalism gone wild was a huge problem in the late 1800's. From the start, capitalism in America had been small-scale and local and made use of skilled labor as well as unskilled. In that environment, companies were aware of their place in their community and of their responsibility to those communities.Also, in accordance with Adam Smith's teaches, skilled workers were a commodity which was in limited supply, so bosses knew to value their skilled workers -- replacing a skilled worker would be a difficult task -- plus when there was higher demand among different bosses for skilled workers, they needed to offer decent wages to those skilled workers in order to get them to sign on (this is only looking at the forces of capitalism and disregarding the influence of the Guild System which would also have a say in the matter of wages). Then the Industrial Revolution happened. What it did was to remove the need for skilled workers, since their skilled work was now done by machines operated by unskilled workers (after the minimal training needed to run the machines) -- consider the Luddites (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite), skilled textile workers who had made a very good living until factories opened with machinery operated by unskilled workers that produced more textiles than they could for much lower cost. Now most of the factory owner's workers were unskilled and hence highly replaceable -- any worker who tried to stand up for himself could be fired immediately and replaced by anyone in that large crowd standing outside the gates hoping for any work. As a result, the workers were paid poverty wages while the factory owners grew obscenely rich. Furthermore, the workers were exploited mercilessly, which included the use of child labor. As a result, the rich got ever increasingly obscenely rich while the workers became increasingly poorer, much like what we're seeing now. The main difference now is the middle class. Back in the 1800's, the middle class was small and mainly consisted of small- and medium-scale capitalists. In the post-WWII era, the middle class grew to include many workers, who are now seeing themselves lose that new status. Now, obviously a capitalist would want to increase the market for his product. Remember that profit = revenues - expenses. One way to increase your profit would be to increase your revenues, which means increasing sales, but instead they chose and again choose to increase profit by diminishing expenses, mainly through the minimization of wages and elimination of jobs. When that was pointed out in the late 1800's, the response was that they were seeking increase sales overseas and not domestically. Of course, not all industrialists were so shortsighted, such as Henry Ford who paid his workers a decent wage so that they would also become his customers. But smart industrialists were too few and far between. We see the same pattern at present in that industrialists are targeting the global market instead of worrying about the domestic market. You will of course ignore this recommendation, but there is a documentary on Netflix, "Genius of the Modern World" (https://www.netflix.com/title/80186252), which includes an episode on Karl Marx. Marx was a smart thinker and got a lot of things right about capitalism (which he recognized as a very powerful and successful economic model, but one that would grow into a monster that devours everything, including itself -- which is what we do see happening). For example, in writing Das Kapital, Marx researched extensively through labor records to cite case after case of worker exploitation, including the deaths of children working in unsafe factory conditions. I disagree strongly with many of his conclusions, including his prediction of a workers' revolution that would establish a socialist system, though I can see us heading for a workers' revolt that will instead lead to bloody anarchy like the French Revolution and Reign of Terror. That is what we were heading towards in the late 1800's, but instead we found a solution. The solution was the rise of the unions in conjunction with the Progressive Party (https://en.wikipedia.org/...ve_Party_(United_States%2C_1912)) which split off from the Republican Party in 1912. Basically, capitalism has no interest in protecting workers' rights nor social interests, so somebody else has to do that. The unions worked to protect workers' rights in conjunction with labor laws (including child labor laws). Laws establishing programs of security safety nets were passed. The crisis was averted for the time being. The events of the 1920's through WWII pretty much swamped the normal effects of capitalism. The post-war period into the 60's were predominated by three factors:
Vietnam, Watergate, and the Oil Crisis also swamped normal capitalism. Reagan's economic policies (eg, anti-union, deregulation, massive tax cuts for the rich, trickle-down -- which never worked, never will, and destroyed the economy of Kansas) opened the door to the unrestrained evolution of capitalism to its ultimate state of maximal exploitation. And that brings us to the current situation.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
disqualify all who voted for him, essentially relegating us to the Gulag of PC opprobrium or the social death penalty, destroy America's freedoms and Constitution and make us a Leftist dictatorship of Third World stature. No, none of that will happen from this. We just get rid of that pompous ass. Besides, nullifying a vote for office is allowed in the Constitution. That process was deliberately structured into our system so that we would not have to suffer long the inanities of a narcissist, and in this case, a really stupid one at that. If you bring an umbrella I'll bring some coffees. See you on the breadline. Does it have to be moldy bread? Can't we go for bagels with various spreads? Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
... the Gulag of PC opprobrium ... Oh, I love the imagery. You may be crazy, but, you go girl!Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
What makes you think you can get rid of an elected President without either turning all his supporters into a hated underclass or provoking an uprising or a civil war? What's with you arrogant Leftists that you treat the other half of the country like we don't exist. We wish all of you would move to Siberia too, but we lived through Obama without trying to get him out of office as you all are trying to do to Trump. He's done more than most Presidents toward keeping his promises to US and we like him. Who are you to override us?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes capitalism needs legal restraints. Marxism however is a far more evil destructive force than capitalism ever could be.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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Really? I answer your question as fully and honestly as I can and all you have is complete denial of reality?
And just where the FUCK did you get MAXISM out of that? You are completely brain dead, which makes you the ideal Trumpista.
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