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Faith
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Message 1201 of 1376 (850595)
04-10-2019 8:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1200 by Theodoric
04-10-2019 8:02 PM


Re: More attacks on the nation
Many decent people DID defend it, your crabbed culturebound perspective notwithstanding. It took the one Christian man Wilberforce in the UK parliament something like forty years to change the minds of his fellow parliamentarians about the slave trade, and I'm not going to denounce them despite what today would be clearly known to be their wrongheaded attitudes. Changing the minds of fallen men takes a long time and you are just as fallen. If you judge them, that just makes you a typical Leftist selfrighteous Pharisee.

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Theodoric
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Message 1202 of 1376 (850596)
04-10-2019 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1201 by Faith
04-10-2019 8:07 PM


Re: More attacks on the nation
OK enough with the insults. If you cannot have a civil debate you should not be here. I am sorry I let you bait me and I react with insults. You need to stop with the insults. Now. If you cannot debate and in good faith I will ask the Admin to do something about it. I am sure others will support that.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Faith
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Message 1203 of 1376 (850597)
04-10-2019 8:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1202 by Theodoric
04-10-2019 8:11 PM


Re: More attacks on the nation
Oh wow. I'm answering the stupidities and insults of the Left, which you represent. Why don't YOU leave? I wasn't happy to see you return just as you aren't happy to have found me posting here. Go away.
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Faith
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Message 1204 of 1376 (850602)
04-10-2019 8:33 PM


Dems Attack Barr for Remark about Spying on Trump Campaign
Unfounded, irresponsible': Dems rip Barr remark about 'spying' on Trump campaign

But of course they would. We on the Right have known since the beginning that all this began with spying on the Trump campaign in order to distract from Clinton's really extreme criminal acts and obstruction of justice in HER efforts to destroy Trump. I hope this all comes out but of course Leftists are going to continue to put up the usual fake news and loud denunciations because they have zero integrity and zero interest in truth.


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Theodoric
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Message 1205 of 1376 (850609)
04-10-2019 10:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1204 by Faith
04-10-2019 8:33 PM


Re: Dems Attack Barr for Remark about Spying on Trump Campaign
Care to present any facts or evidence for your accusations?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Percy
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Message 1206 of 1376 (850615)
04-11-2019 8:57 AM
Reply to: Message 1204 by Faith
04-10-2019 8:33 PM


Re: Dems Attack Barr for Remark about Spying on Trump Campaign
Faith writes:

'Unfounded, irresponsible': Dems rip Barr remark about 'spying' on Trump campaign

But of course they would. We on the Right have known since the beginning that all this began with spying on the Trump campaign...

Barr's comments were characterized as "unfounded, irresponsible" because when the FBI obtains a FICA warrant from a judge and begins monitoring and investigating, as they did, for example, with Carter Page three times, it is not spying. Barr used the word spying, conjuring up nefarious cloak and dagger associations, because he in very short order has become Trump's personal attorney at the Justice Department, even though his title is Attorney General of the United States and his duty is to uphold the constitution, not to protect the man occupying the presidential office.

During this same testimony before Congress Barr stated that releasing grand jury information would be *unprecedented*, seemingly forgetting the precedents set by the release of grand jury information related to the Nixon and Clinton investigations.

--Percy


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ringo
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Message 1207 of 1376 (850632)
04-11-2019 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 1201 by Faith
04-10-2019 8:07 PM


Re: More attacks on the nation
Faith writes:

If you judge them, that just makes you a typical Leftist selfrighteous Pharisee.


Funny, Jesus never called the Pharisees "Leftist". They were, in fact, much farther to the right than He was. That was His main complaint about them.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Faith
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Message 1208 of 1376 (850635)
04-11-2019 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 1206 by Percy
04-11-2019 8:57 AM


Re: Dems Attack Barr for Remark about Spying on Trump Campaign
Releasing Grand Jury testimony would be unprecedented in this current context since it is against the law although it was not against the law for the Watergate and Clinton investigations. The law was established as a result of the Clinton investigation. The term does seem wrong in the context nevertheless so perhaps he misspoke.

As for FISA warrants there are questions about irregularities in how that was handled which is no doubt one of the things he wants to investigate.

There is no doubt that "spying" is the correct term. The question is whether it was legal or not. When interrogated about his use of that term in case he might find another way to say what he meant he chose the words "unauthorized surveillance." Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

It's just the usual fake news to accuse him of working for Trump.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 1209 of 1376 (850636)
04-11-2019 12:12 PM



  
Faith
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Message 1210 of 1376 (850637)
04-11-2019 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1207 by ringo
04-11-2019 11:55 AM


Re: More attacks on the nation
The Pharisees considered themselves to be superior to sinners. Neither Left nor Right applies in the biblical context.
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ringo
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Message 1211 of 1376 (850639)
04-11-2019 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1210 by Faith
04-11-2019 12:15 PM


Re: More attacks on the nation
Faith writes:

Neither Left nor Right applies in the biblical context.


Maybe not in your delusion about "Leftists" - but in the real world, it certainly does. The Pharisees were the conservatives who wanted to preserve the "good old days". Jesus was the radical who wanted to overthrow the status quo.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Faith
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Message 1212 of 1376 (850640)
04-11-2019 12:26 PM


Trump collusion lying accusation continues
Mistakenly posted on the Trump Presidency thread, in answer to Message 2818.

Trump had nothing to do with any collusion, which ought to have been sufficiently established when the Mueller report came out, and this neverending insinuation that he has something to hide is the usual disgusting Leftist fake news, aka lies and character assassination. The only collusion with Russia was Hillary's own attempt to interfere with T

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Faith
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Message 1213 of 1376 (850641)
04-11-2019 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1211 by ringo
04-11-2019 12:26 PM


Re: More attacks on the nation
Jesus was no radical in the ridiculous sense you mean it, and the Pharisees were just garden-variety self-righteous creeps who were always inventing ways to point the finger at other people, the way today's Leftists do.

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Message 1214 of 1376 (850642)
04-11-2019 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1212 by Faith
04-11-2019 12:26 PM


Re: Trump collusion lying accusation continues
quote:

Trump had nothing to do with any collusion, which ought to have been sufficiently established when the Mueller report came out,

The report has not been released yet and there is no reason to think that it proves that there was no collusion. Barr would certainly have made stronger remarks than he did if that were the case.

And we certainly can’t be sure that there isn’t evidence that was not available to Mueller.

Not to mention that Trump might well want to suppress even evidence of the Russian support for his campaign.

quote:

and this neverending insinuation that he has something to hide is the usual disgusting Leftist fake news, aka lie

That’s exactly what you would say if you thought Trump did have something to hide.

quote:

The only collusion with Russia was Hillary's own attempt to interfere with T

We know that the Russians took Trump’s side - notably the leak of the stolen DNC emails, released via Wikileaks.


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Percy
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Message 1215 of 1376 (850644)
04-11-2019 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1208 by Faith
04-11-2019 12:10 PM


Re: Dems Attack Barr for Remark about Spying on Trump Campaign
Faith writes:

Releasing Grand Jury testimony would be unprecedented in this current context since it is against the law although it was not against the law for the Watergate and Clinton investigations. The law was established as a result of the Clinton investigation. The term does seem wrong in the context nevertheless so perhaps he misspoke.

He did try to walk it back later.

As for FISA warrants there are questions about irregularities in how that was handled which is no doubt one of the things he wants to investigate.

The Justice Department absolutely should investigate any suspected irregularities, but it should be because it's the Justice Department that suspects irregularities, not Sean Hannity or Tucker Carlson. The concern is that Trump fired William Sessions for a reason, because he wouldn't do his bidding, and that Trump listens to the opinion shows on Fox News, then calls or texts Barr, and Barr does what he's told, in essence doing what Sessions would not do, following the president's orders rather than the evidence and the constitution.

There is no doubt that "spying" is the correct term. The question is whether it was legal or not. When interrogated about his use of that term in case he might find another way to say what he meant he chose the words "unauthorized surveillance." Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

Unauthorized surveillance would indeed be spying, but no evidence of that has been made public, and if Barr is aware of evidence not yet made public then he should continue to keep it out of the public eye by not using words like "spying." But he testified that he has no evidence, just concerns, in which case he should not, in his position of great responsibility and authority, be using the word "spying." This video is queued up to the exact right spot, you only have to listen to about 10 seconds:

It's just the usual fake news to accuse him of working for Trump.

If Barr's an independent Attorney General working for the people and to uphold the constitution regardless of the president's desires, then he should behave that way instead of repeating Trump's own talking points.

--Percy


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