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Message 152 of 232 (842574)
11-03-2018 1:13 AM
Reply to: Message 151 by LamarkNewAge
11-03-2018 12:54 AM


Re: Adam was created as he was. Perishable
Vanity is another word for death, right?

Not according to Google Dictionary:
van·i·ty ˈvanədē
noun
noun vanity plural noun vanities
excessive pride in or admiration of one's own appearance or achievements.
denoting a person or company that publishes works at the author's expense.
conceit narcissism self-love self-admiration self-absorption self-regard egotism pride arrogance boastfulness cockiness swagger rodomontade big-headedness vainglory
the quality of being worthless or futile.
futility uselessness pointlessness worthlessness fruitlessness
a dressing table.
a bathroom unit consisting of a washbasin typically set into a counter with a cabinet beneath.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Message 206 of 232 (848290)
02-02-2019 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by ringo
10-28-2018 4:43 PM


The Road Not Taken
ringo writes:

Becoming more like God is not a fall.

Its not even remotely possible. Satans whole error, in reality, was imagining that he could.

You are forever like a smart alec 14-year-old challenging the status quo. Nowadays, you think you have grown up and have science and evidence on your side, but all you have proven is that your opponents have no evidence to bring to the table. This does not mean that you are somehow "right" by default.

It just means that you have exercised your right to be a rebel and have an opinion apart from the one you grew up in for 1/3 of your life.

You and I took different paths. I took the road marked Belief.
You took the road marked Evidence. Neither of us have finished our journey.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Message 209 of 232 (848339)
02-03-2019 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by ringo
02-03-2019 1:13 PM


Re: The Road Not Taken
We can agree that the evidence is expressed in words. We just don't agree with what evidence we are talking about, the source of such evidence, and the implications of modern evidence, primitive superstition, and the wisdom spoken in the words expressed.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Message 211 of 232 (848344)
02-03-2019 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 210 by ringo
02-03-2019 4:47 PM


Re: The Road Not Taken
It is not evident to me because you yourself do not believe it. All that you can do is report what the book says. Which is unimpressive. Look at my situation. I am nearly 60 years old. Diabetic. Just had eye surgery, and fight to maintain health. I am no longer young and strong. I have belief, and it had served me well for many years, but for some reason, I had to attempt to prove its validity...test it, one may say. Why this is important to me, I do not know. I have to be honest with myself, however. Perhaps I looked at God as a Being Who offered me a promise. And now, I find no evidence, no promise, (except blood,toil,tears, and sweat) and it frustrates me...but I wont ever take the step of abandoning my belief and going over to the dark side as many of you have done. Perhaps I am looking for the right answer in the wrong place.

I am looking inside myself, however. I cant let myself down or I will die. (or be miserable)...

You may suggest that I give more spare change. All I know is that I owe money on medical bills, have no retirement saved up, am getting older and weaker, and on top of all that find no evidence of any sort of promise that I have believed in.

How can your logic and wisdom be of any comfort to me?


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Phat
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Message 214 of 232 (848381)
02-04-2019 2:48 AM
Reply to: Message 210 by ringo
02-03-2019 4:47 PM


Re: The Road Not Taken
OK, I'll admit that it says what it says and that it says that God said it. For some reason, this provides scant comfort for me. It is a story in a book from long long ago. I've been told that the book is inerrant. I've also been told and believed that the words were alive, like living water. All that is promised, however, is that I know good and evil and have to work my whole life. This is depressing! Granted some people are worse off than I am. Perhaps I never was promised anything special.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Message 217 of 232 (848711)
02-14-2019 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by ringo
10-28-2018 4:43 PM


Re: Martin Luther told us humans not to compromise scripture with (heliocentric) science.
ringo writes:

Becoming more like God is not a fall.

It is if pride is involved.

Humans think they will survive against incredible odds and conquer space (and time). Take away all of our gadgets and we are still much like bonobos.

One reason why I need God is that I need to trust an authority wiser than I am.

I also need support and encouragement. You seem to think God provides none of these.

I will admit that I need to trust humans more, but I feel that you have ruled God out simply because of lack of objective evidence.

Since when has belief ever hurt anyone?


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Phat
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Message 220 of 232 (848727)
02-14-2019 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by ringo
02-14-2019 12:14 PM


Again we disagree concerning evidence
Zeus and unicorns and leprechauns...
These three characters have no following. Millions of people believe that God is real and that Jesus is alive. (Yes i know...appeal to popularity logical fallacy ) Can you really be confident that you are right and all of the believers n error? Many claim they have subjective evidence. Evidently, you and the hardcore skeptics are unimpressed with their stories. I've even had a couple of incidents that I knew were unexplainable. You simply advised me to leave them unexplainable rather than attaching Jesus or God to them.

I'm not convinced that it's best for us to teach society that cherished beliefs are a myth. And before you bring up Santa Claus, everybody knows he is a myth unless you are 4 years old.

Finally, look at the many professionals who have degrees in Theology and Divinity and Philosophy who earned Doctorates in religious studies. Do you really think they dont believe? I guess im just puzzled why you alone (with a few others) concluded the way that you did. After all you spent a third of your life in churches. Was there not anyone who impressed you with honesty and good character? I sometimes feel as if skeptics and critics think all of Christianity is simply charlatans and fantasy based dreamers.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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