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Faith
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Message 181 of 232 (847930)
01-29-2019 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by vimesey
01-29-2019 4:12 PM


Re: death penalty.
Oh NONSENSE. It is possible to do a better job of preventing misjudgments. At least it should always be the case that if a really clear judgment can't be made then the death penalty can't be executed.

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Message 182 of 232 (847935)
01-29-2019 4:24 PM
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01-29-2019 4:17 PM


Re: death penalty.
Better job, to a degree, yes - but never so good as to eliminate human error. Unless you are of the view that humans are capable of acting perfectly and without error, of course.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Faith
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Message 183 of 232 (847936)
01-29-2019 4:29 PM
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01-29-2019 4:24 PM


Re: death penalty.
It is possible to have certainty in many cases. Doing away with the death penalty because of human error is not the right solution. Being a lot more careful about arriving at a judgment should be sufficient.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 184 of 232 (847937)
01-29-2019 4:31 PM
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01-29-2019 4:29 PM


Re: death penalty.
You mean the way that Trump is certain that the Central Park Five should be executed even after they were found to be innocent ?

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Faith
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Message 185 of 232 (847942)
01-29-2019 4:41 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by PaulK
01-29-2019 4:31 PM


Re: death penalty.
What a piece of idiocy that is. Sure, right, I'm advocating that cases be decided by public opinion. Can't you read? Can't you think?

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Message 186 of 232 (847948)
01-29-2019 4:53 PM
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01-29-2019 4:41 PM


Re: death penalty.
I’m pointing out that I don’t want someone like Trump anywhere near death penalty decisions.

I’m also pointing out that false certainty is a real thing.

And finally if you think that public opinion doesn’t influence jury trials you are being very naive.


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Faith
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Message 187 of 232 (847952)
01-29-2019 5:25 PM
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01-29-2019 4:53 PM


Re: death penalty.
We have an obligation to get it right. There is no justification for doing away with the death penalty, it is the right punishment for murder.

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Message 188 of 232 (847954)
01-29-2019 5:34 PM
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01-29-2019 5:25 PM


Re: death penalty.
It amazes me that you totally discount any opinions different than your own. It must be nice going through the life being so certain of your beliefs that everyone else is totally and utterly wrong. Actually I think that would suck. I find purpose and humanity in questioning my own beliefs and feelings.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 189 of 232 (847958)
01-29-2019 5:49 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by Faith
01-29-2019 12:04 AM


Re: death penalty and value of life
Certainly does to me.

Yes, I'm sure it does to you. That is disturbing, M'lady.


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Faith
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Message 190 of 232 (847977)
01-29-2019 9:50 PM
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01-29-2019 5:49 PM


Re: death penalty and value of life
Not nearly as disturbing I'm sure as it is disturbing to me that you and GDR put the life of a murderer on the same level as his victim and even attack God and believers for a lack of love in seeing love in God's vengeance on behalf of the victim. The complete repudiation of the standard that distinguishes sin, wickedness or guilt from righteousness in God's dealings with the world is extremely disturbing. I can't imagine a love that puts a Hitler or any other willful murderer above his victims but that is what you are doing with your bogus idea of what God's love should be.

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Faith
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Message 191 of 232 (847978)
01-29-2019 9:56 PM
Reply to: Message 188 by Theodoric
01-29-2019 5:34 PM


Re: death penalty.
I'm not arguing from my own personal feelings and opinions on this subject, I'm arguing from my years of learning God's judgments.

But I must say it strikes me as quite bizarre that you would react that way to my simple statement that we have an obligation to get it right. Incontrovertible it would seem to me. Along with the death penalty which is based on God's word, no other opinion is needed.

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Faith
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Message 192 of 232 (847980)
01-29-2019 11:19 PM
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01-29-2019 5:49 PM


Re: death penalty and value of life
Do you object to the hanging of the Nazi war criminals convicted at the Nuremberg trials?

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Message 193 of 232 (847981)
01-29-2019 11:30 PM
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01-29-2019 9:50 PM


Re: death penalty and value of life
This has nothing to do with any god. This has to do with the blackened heart of the devout.

The disturbing thing is how easily a thinking caring loving human being can be turned to evil. Your religion makes it so easy to justify killing another human being and yet call it an act of "love".

Burn the witches at the stake in an act of love to save their mortal souls. Stone the disobedient child/spouse in the name of an eternally loving god.

The excuses have been legendary and far to often used. Kill the slayer to avenge the slayer having killed an image of god is just another excuse to shed yet more blood.

Your religion has made excuses that killed hundreds of millions of people over the centuries and there appears to be no respite in the future.

Your religion, as do all such religions, need to end.

That won't stop the killing. Humans will search out other excuses to do this evil. But religion makes turning love into bloody death far to easy.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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AZPaul3
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Message 194 of 232 (847982)
01-29-2019 11:34 PM
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01-29-2019 11:19 PM


Re: death penalty and value of life
Do you object to the hanging of the Nazi war criminals convicted at the Nuremberg trials?

Yeah. Yeah I do.

Can't be a liberal pacifist part-time.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Faith
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Message 195 of 232 (847983)
01-30-2019 12:00 AM
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01-29-2019 11:30 PM


Re: death penalty and value of life
Well, when things get this upside down there isn't much hope left.

This has nothing to do with any god. This has to do with the blackened heart of the devout.

The black heart in this discussion is yours.

The disturbing thing is how easily a thinking caring loving human being can be turned to evil. Your religion makes it so easy to justify killing another human being and yet call it an act of "love".

Yes, justice is an act of love. To the survivors at least.

Burn the witches at the stake in an act of love to save their mortal souls.

True witchcraft brings demons into our midst, which is a horrific crime. Since the seventies we've probably had millions dropped into our midst from the Eastern religions that flooded in after the sins of the Sixties. However, death doesn't save anyone's soul, only repentance does that. All sinners who repent and put their trust in Christ will be saved for eternity. But murderers nevertheless have to die for their crime as God decreed to Noah, which I quoted above.

Stone the disobedient child/spouse in the name of an eternally loving god.

It is clear from the context I believe you are referring to that the child was a young adult who was a terror to his parents. The priest Eli had disobedient adult sons (an understatement: they raped the women bringing sacrifices to the temple among other thigns) whom he refused to discipline and he lost his own life in consequence. But I can't think of a case of stoning a spouse.

The excuses have been legendary and far to often used. Kill the slayer to avenge the slayer having killed an image of god is just another excuse to shed yet more blood.

Ugh what a disgusting accusation. edit: The Bible isn't the only source of legal reasoning for the death penalty. The Image of God is the Biblical explanation given to Noah, but many other societies have had the death penalty for murder among other things, and I don't know the reasons they give but the value of a human life is probably one of them.

Your religion has made excuses that killed hundreds of millions of people over the centuries and there appears to be no respite in the future.

Wow what a lie. Or just a gross miscalculation based on prejudice? Roman Catholicism did murder fifty million true Christians, however, along with a few million Jews and others. But the nonreligious Communists have killed many more than that and in a lot less time too. It took six hundred years for the Inquisition to rack up the above numbers but only one century for the "utopian" dreams to kill off many more than that.

Your religion, as do all such religions, need to end.

Mine is the true religion. And we know it will never end. Even if you murder all of us on Earth it will not end and you will find yourself facing our God, the true God, at the end of the world.

That won't stop the killing.

Of course not. The Communists outdo all others at murder.

Humans will search out other excuses to do this evil.

Communists kill to get rid of threats to their power, they don't need to search for excuses.

To compares such self-serving murders to the execution of justice shows the typical upside down morality of today's Left.

But religion makes turning love into bloody death far to easy.

Sad how little you know. If you'd stop saying "religion" by which you include Christianity and said "Islam" instead, or "Roman Catholicism," you'd have some justification, but still nothing that comes close to Communism.

I'm certainly sorry to discover how twisted your mind is.

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