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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1745 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
But I don't claim the Bible says anything about the Grand Canyon or geology at all ... Right, that's my point. There's nothing in the Bible about it at all, yet you manage to describe your views as "Biblical" rather than, say "Morrisian".
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Capt Stormfield Member Posts: 429 From: Vancouver Island Joined: |
...it is about trying to control God... And why not. Creators of fiction have every right to control the story of their characters.
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Capt Stormfield Member Posts: 429 From: Vancouver Island Joined: |
One of the hilariously ignorant things about fundies that pretend the Bible isn't geocentric is the studiously blind eye they turn to the reality that we know what the people who lived in that place and time thought about the subject. There seems to be a misperception (or a cultured ignorance) that the books of the Old Testament are the only writings extant from the era. They are not. They thought the earth was flat, and under a dome. Precisely as described in the Bible.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1745 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
My what assertive blather. You wouldn't happen to have a bit of evidence for any of it would you?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1745 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Unless you show specifically where I've described Flood geology as "biblical" I figure you're blowing hot air.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1745 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Unless you produce evidence that I said such a thing you are just blowing hot air.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1745 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't say the KJV is inerrant, it's a translation, translations aren't inerrant. I thought you wanted to know what translation I use.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1745 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
None of that reflects anything scientific at all, not geocentrism or any other scientific ism.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1745 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm suggesting that Christians such as Faith seem to believe that if people believe the right doctrine that they get eternal life. Your usual ridiculous straw man. We are to PUT OUR TRUST IN JESUS CHRIST'S DEATH ON THE CROSS TO PAY FOR OUR SINS. That is how we are saved. That is not some dead doctrine, that's the work of the living Christ I'm talking about.l
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PaulK Member Posts: 18000 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
quote: Well, that’s a creative attempt at semantic legerdemain. Of course since the Bible is thoroughly pre-scientific there is no science in there. Unfortunately for you I know that geocentrism is NOT a term restricted to science. It is a term that can quite rightly be applied to ancient cosmologies. And Genesis 1 reflects the geocentric cosmologies of the Ancient Near East, as Captain Stormfield correctly pointed out. Those cosmologies were based on the limited knowledge of the time and were, as a consequence in error. Thus Genesis 1 is geocentric and in error.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1745 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Then, as I asked the stormy one, prove it. I have no reason not to take it as simply descriptive of the order of Creation in ancient terminology.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 18000 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
quote: The order - what little is in the cited verses - was not the point or I would have quoted far more to make the order plain. The point is what was created and where - and how it shows that the cosmology of Genesis 1 is geocentric (geocentricity was the whole point - have you forgotten that ?) As for evidence, you can start with this article from the website of a. Christian institution: Teaches or assumes
It’s well-documented that biblical cosmology is essentially ancient Near East (ANE) cosmology. There are a few elements here and there that don’t line up precisely with the rest of the ancient world, but then again, the entirety of the ancient world didn’t hold to a monolithic cosmological viewpoint
The more complex but similar Babylonian system is described - and depicted - here
Perhaps the earliest of the combination of mythical and theological ideas is found in the Mesopotamian civilizations (divided into the Old Babylonian, Assyrian, New Babylonian and Late Babylonian periods). The Babylonian myths centered on plurality of the heavens and earth with a six-level universe consisting of three heavens and three earths: two heavens above the sky, the heaven of the stars, the earth, the underground of the Apsu, and the underworld of the dead. The Earth was created by the god Marduk as a raft floating on fresh water (Apsu) surrounded by a vastly larger body of salt water (Tiamat).
Note that here, as in Genesis, we have a flat watery realm with domed heavens above it (see the blue diagram towards the end of the section on Egyptian/Mesopotamia Cosmology) Edited by AdminPhat, : fixed quote
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GDR Member Posts: 6223 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: |
Faith writes: ..and that is the doctrine that you believe. That's exactly my point. Your usual ridiculous straw man. We are to PUT OUR TRUST IN JESUS CHRIST'S DEATH ON THE CROSS TO PAY FOR OUR SINS. That is how we are saved. He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
quote: R.C. Sproul said that the scientists were right and the leading lights of Protestantism were wrong. Scripture was misunderstood to contradict science. Heliocentrism was correct. So, what is wrong with biological evolution? (The theory of Evolution is way more consistent with scripture than heliocentrism is)
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1745 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Please quote.
Evolution requires death, scripture says death didn't enter until the Fall.
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