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Author Topic:   Any practical use for Universal Common Ancestor?
Dredge
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Message 1 of 1371 (843755)
11-20-2018 8:07 AM


I've been looking for a practical use in applied science for the information that all life on earth evolved from a microbe that existed billions of years ago, but can't find any. It seems to me that the whole Universal Common Ancestor thing is completely irrelevant and useless outside the realm of evolutionary theory.

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Dredge
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Message 72 of 1371 (849352)
03-06-2019 11:54 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by AZPaul3
11-21-2018 10:18 AM


I know ToE has practical uses, but that's not what the thread is about. And a story about what was responsible for the fossil record isn't a practical use. Which use of applied science depends on accepting that life on earth evolved from a microbe or even accepting that humans evolved from some kind of ape? I can't think of any.

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Message 73 of 1371 (849353)
03-06-2019 11:56 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Tangle
11-21-2018 2:46 AM


These comments are irrelevant to the OP

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Message 74 of 1371 (849354)
03-06-2019 11:59 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by ringo
11-21-2018 11:34 AM


This doesn't sound like a practical use for UCA.

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Message 75 of 1371 (849355)
03-07-2019 12:02 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Tanypteryx
11-21-2018 12:10 PM


In other words, you can't give me an example of a practical use in applied science for the information that all life on earth evolved from UCA.

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Message 76 of 1371 (849356)
03-07-2019 12:10 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Faith
11-21-2018 12:27 PM


Re: Name one.
Hello Faith. Some definitions of ToE include no more than principles of microevolution - ie, factual stuff that science has found many practical uses for. On the other hand, other definitions of ToE add the theory/conclusion that life evolved from UCA. The stuff about evolving from UCA is what I contend is useless to applied science.

Furthermore, a story about life on earth evolving from UCA doesn't qualify as knowledge. Knowledge is demonstrable facts - not theories or conclusions or opinions or beliefs or atheist folklore.

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Message 77 of 1371 (849357)
03-07-2019 12:14 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Tangle
11-21-2018 1:26 PM


Re: Name one.
"Knowledge" is not the same as a practical use in applied science. I know that the sky is blue, but I can't think of a practical use in applied science for that knowledge.

Furthermore, a story about life on earth evolving from UCA doesn't qualify as knowledge. Only demonstrable facts qualify as knowledge - this precludes theories, opinions, conclusions, beliefs and atheist folklore.

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Message 78 of 1371 (849360)
03-07-2019 12:28 AM
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11-21-2018 1:55 PM


Re: Name one.
Research in evolutionary biology is not a practical use in applied science. S. J. Gould, for example, devoted his career to research in evolutionary biology and he contributed absolutely nothing of any practical use to science.

Research may led to a practical use, but research per se is not a practical use.

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Message 79 of 1371 (849361)
03-07-2019 12:31 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by Tanypteryx
11-21-2018 2:11 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Sorry, but this is irrelevant to the OP. The uses you cite are not dependent in any way of believing/accepting that life on earth evolved from UCA

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Message 80 of 1371 (849362)
03-07-2019 12:33 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by PaulK
11-21-2018 2:28 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
UCA is irrelevant to practical uses of microevolution.

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Message 81 of 1371 (849363)
03-07-2019 12:36 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Faith
11-21-2018 2:32 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Assumptions are the cornerstone of Evolutionism

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Message 82 of 1371 (849364)
03-07-2019 12:40 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by AZPaul3
11-21-2018 5:48 PM


Re: Name one.
How is UCA relevant to protein folding?

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Message 84 of 1371 (849366)
03-07-2019 12:48 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by Pressie
11-22-2018 4:29 AM


Speaking of which, geologists make use of the fossil record in oil and gas exploration. However, this use doesn't require accepting the evolutionary interpretation of said fossil record. A progressive creationist like me could use the fossil record just as proficiently. In fact, no explanation for the fossil record is required in order to make use of it in this way.

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Message 89 of 1371 (849400)
03-07-2019 11:53 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Stile
11-22-2018 3:00 PM


Stile writes:

Dredge writes:

It seems to me that the whole Universal Common Ancestor thing is completely irrelevant and useless outside the realm of evolutionary theory.


I completely agree. Just like how the whole transistor thing is completely irrelevant and useless outside the realm of electronic devices.

Sorry, but your analogy makes no sense at all to my fragile, eggshell mind. Unlike useless stories about UCA, transistors are eminently useful in a practical sense and also have also proven useful in applied science.

Well, within evolutionary theory, it would be a pretty cool thing to narrow down and figure out.

Er, try reading the OP again. Which part of it asks for uses "within evolutionary theory"? I'm almost certain the OP is confined to only practical uses in applied science.

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Message 90 of 1371 (849402)
03-08-2019 12:16 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by Porkncheese
11-23-2018 8:41 AM


Re: Aussie
Porkncheeese writes:

Hey Dredge. Fellow Aussie here.
I know exactly what you are saying mate.
Funny thing is no one else does...
Hehehe...

G'day to my fellow Australian!

My experience is that most evolutionists are very allergic to the idea that their beloved all-seeing, all-knowing, all-doing beliefs about UCA appear to be completely useless in any practical sense and really amount to a scientific irrelevance. The only "use" said beliefs have is to make all those atheists out there feel more secure about their materialistic philosophy. Tales about UCA are like cozy bedtime stories for the godless.

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