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Message 6 of 1265 (843776)
11-21-2018 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dredge
11-20-2018 8:07 AM


Dredge writes:

Any practical use for Universal Common Ancestor?


Do we really need to know that the world is round? If we thought it was flat, wouldn't we still have figured out how to get from A to B?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 11 of 1265 (843792)
11-21-2018 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Faith
11-21-2018 12:32 PM


Re: Name one.
Faith writes:

Because you can't. I'm right.


All you have is denial. No matter how anybody answers you, you'll just deny, deny, deny.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 14 of 1265 (843798)
11-21-2018 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Faith
11-21-2018 12:55 PM


Re: Name one.
Scientists can decide for themselves whether or not something is useful to them. They don't need to take your misunderstanding into account.

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Message 19 of 1265 (843806)
11-21-2018 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Faith
11-21-2018 1:26 PM


Re: Name one.
Faith writes:

Obviously there simply is no objective usefulness to the ToE since all I'm getting is weird evasions.


Deny, deny, deny. You're the one who's evading the objective examples that you've been given. You can deny the truth until the cows come home. Your evasion won't have one iota of effect on the usefulness of the Universal Common Ancestor.

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Message 23 of 1265 (843812)
11-21-2018 2:06 PM
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11-21-2018 1:42 PM


Re: Name one.
Faith writes:

Do you have your right hand over your heart as you intone that credo?


Do you have your fingers in your ears as you adjust your blindfold?

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Message 30 of 1265 (843822)
11-21-2018 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Faith
11-21-2018 2:18 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Faith writes:

To the extent that this is going on it is about microevolution, period.


Read the OP: "I've been looking for a practical use in applied science for the information that all life on earth evolved from a microbe that existed billions of years ago...." It clearly is NOT about "microevolution of kinds", as you would call it.

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Message 44 of 1265 (843876)
11-22-2018 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by Faith
11-21-2018 9:45 PM


Re: Name one.
Faith writes:

Sure way to win an argument is by talking technical gobbledygook.


When I had an internet connection at home, I was connected to the World Community Grid, which uses the idle time of members' computers to do tedious scientific calculations. They had mine doing protein folding.

Proteins are large, complex molecules that can fold into various shapes (think Tinker-Toys). The parts that "stick out" determine how the protein interacts with its environment, so the different shapes that it can have are very important, particularly to medicine.

We understand your difficulties with vision, so maybe you can't learn these things for yourself, but it's downright stupid of you to proclaim something "useless" when you haven't even bothered to understand it.


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Message 50 of 1265 (843897)
11-22-2018 2:45 PM
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11-22-2018 2:28 PM


Re: Name one.
Faith writes:

Which says absolutely nothing about the ToE as stated.


It's knowledge that dovetails neatly with the ToE.

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Message 62 of 1265 (843914)
11-22-2018 4:45 PM
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11-22-2018 3:13 PM


Re: Name one.
Faith writes:

Simply repeating the Creed doesn't amount to evidence.


That's what we keep telling you. Your denial is worthless.

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Message 87 of 1265 (849383)
03-07-2019 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by Dredge
03-06-2019 11:59 PM


Dredge writes:

This doesn't sound like a practical use for UCA.


That's what I said. But it doesn't need a practical use to be true.

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Message 99 of 1265 (849417)
03-08-2019 10:44 AM
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03-08-2019 1:11 AM


Dredge writes:

ringo writes:

it doesn't need a practical use to be true


I know.

Then why are you wasting time with this thread?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 122 of 1265 (849533)
03-13-2019 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by Dredge
03-13-2019 12:22 AM


Dredge writes:

I was wondering if anyone could provide an example of use for UCA, but it's becoming increasingly clear there are none.


There are none that you will accept - but your acceptance is irrelevant.

Dredge writes:

Which makes the theory of evolution the scientific equivalent of a blank bullet - it makes a lot of noise and smoke and attracts a lot of attention, but it doesn't actually do anything.


On the contrary, UCA is only one small part of ToE. You're saying the equivalent of, "Since there is no concrete use for the manufacturer's badge on a car, cars are useless." That's a very silly conclusion.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 134 of 1265 (849588)
03-15-2019 11:53 AM
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03-15-2019 12:22 AM


Dredge writes:

Which practical use of UCA in applied science have I not accepted?


Message 25 "...scientists around the world are using the science of evolutionary biology to understand how life on our planet is reacting to a changing climate."

You responded in Message 79 that, essentially, they could have figured that out anyway. Maybe so, but they DO use evolutionary biology.

Your claim is the same as, "There is no use for a power saw; you can get the same result with a handsaw." That is not proof that power saws are useless.

Edited by ringo, : Sp'ellinge.


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Message 139 of 1265 (849617)
03-16-2019 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 138 by Tanypteryx
03-15-2019 7:29 PM


Re: Name one.
Tanypteryx writes:

It is funny that he doesn't realize that his bullshit will never convince anyone working in any biological fields that they are doing it all wrong or that what they are learning has no value.

What a sad, empty life his rules would create.


*looks through microscope* "God did it."

*looks through telescope* "God did it."

"Wait a minute. Why are we wasting time and money on this when we know God did it?"

Any practical use for a supernova or a black hole?


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Message 141 of 1265 (849622)
03-16-2019 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by Tanypteryx
03-16-2019 12:03 PM


Re: Name one.
Tanypteryx writes:

FTL?


Maybe someday. But that would be like citing a possible someday cure for cancer as a use for UCA.

It's a good thing we don't demand today uses for every scientific discovery. We'd still be running away from fire because it's burny-burny.


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