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Author Topic:   Any practical use for Universal Common Ancestor?
Theodoric
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Message 309 of 1362 (850017)
03-28-2019 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 304 by Porkncheese
03-28-2019 12:05 PM


Re: Any practical use for Universal Common Ancestor?
The fact that you have no idea that it is Piltdown Man, not pitdown, shows we should not even consider your arguments. If you cannot even have the decency to attempt to understand the subject matter, than do not insult us with your attempt at an argument.

Pitdown man was the basis of this pseudoscience for over 100 years before it was embarrassingly uncovered as a deliberate hoax.

This is a lie. Piltdown man was presented in 1912. Skepticism was expressed, by scientists, as early as 1915. It was fully exposed as a hoax in 1953. So you are wrong on all counts.
Here is a quick overview.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piltdown_Man#Exposure

Please look at my signatures. Why do you have to lie? Is it that your position has no validity?


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 452 of 1362 (850504)
04-09-2019 2:31 PM
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04-02-2019 3:20 AM


Re: Any practical use for Universal Common Ancestor?
I think what you mean is, "God did it" is not a scientific argument

As this is a forum where we discuss science, I assumed that "scientific" argument was implied. I often forget that creos and fundies manipulate language when they cannot manipulate evidence and factual data.

Have you ever noticed that anything where you make the claim "God did it" you have no evidence, and that the myriad of things that people used to say god did it we actually have scientific evidence for.
Also, before you can claim god did it you need to explain which god or actually define this entity so we know what you mean by god.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 453 of 1362 (850505)
04-09-2019 2:34 PM
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04-07-2019 3:34 AM


Troll

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 473 of 1362 (850547)
04-10-2019 12:40 PM
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04-10-2019 9:32 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
This again shows that when creos have no argument they resort to manipulating words and language. Their dishonesty is shown by how they think they have a valid argument when all they do is twist, manipulate and equivocate words and terms. Equivocation is the hallmark of almost all creo arguments.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 474 of 1362 (850548)
04-10-2019 12:43 PM
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04-10-2019 10:03 AM


Re: Wrong by definition, no wonder you're confused
This reinforces my statement in Message 473

Edited by Theodoric, : forgot my


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 504 of 1362 (850819)
04-14-2019 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 495 by Dredge
04-14-2019 3:55 AM


Re: Any practical use for Universal Common Ancestor?
Oh you think you manipulation of language is a victory for you. Alas, all it does is further expose that you have no argument. Nothing but a troll.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 505 of 1362 (850820)
04-14-2019 6:16 PM
Reply to: Message 491 by Dredge
04-14-2019 3:37 AM


Re: Progressive Creation
You expect a religous (non-scientific) theory to have a practical, scientific application?

Then this thread needs to be closed. You admit you are not discussing science. If you want to continue this discussion it needs to move to the faith forums, it does not belong in the science forums, because no matter how much science is presented you will just dismiss because of your religious beliefs. In other words you are just trolling.

Admin - do you not think this thread should be closed since Dredge admits all he has is a faith argument?


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 525 of 1362 (851118)
04-19-2019 9:56 PM
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04-19-2019 3:15 AM


What is this - an appeal to authority?

Before you think of suggesting a logical fallacy, you should understand the fallacy.
I suggest this site as a good primer.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/
This is the explanation there of appeal to authority.

quote:
Description of Appeal to Authority
An Appeal to Authority is a fallacy with the following form:

1. Person A is (claimed to be) an authority on subject S.
2. Person A makes claim C about subject S.
3. Therefore, C is true.
This fallacy is committed when the person in question is not a legitimate authority on the subject. More formally, if person A is not qualified to make reliable claims in subject S, then the argument will be fallacious.
This sort of reasoning is fallacious when the person in question is not an expert. In such cases the reasoning is flawed because the fact that an unqualified person makes a claim does not provide any justification for the claim. The claim could be true, but the fact that an unqualified person made the claim does not provide any rational reason to accept the claim as true.
When a person falls prey to this fallacy, they are accepting a claim as true without there being adequate evidence to do so. More specifically, the person is accepting the claim because they erroneously believe that the person making the claim is a legitimate expert and hence that the claim is reasonable to accept. Since people have a tendency to believe authorities (and there are, in fact, good reasons to accept some claims made by authorities) this fallacy is a fairly common one.



Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 526 of 1362 (851120)
04-19-2019 10:09 PM
Reply to: Message 516 by Dredge
04-19-2019 3:43 AM


Re: Wrong by definition, no wonder you're confused
You evolutionists can't even agree on what a "theory" is!

Again you think you can win the debate by manipulating words. Have you ever noticed how different dictionaries use different words to define the same words. Would you say there is no agreement for the definition every word because all definitions are not exactly the same?

Here is a good explanation about what a scientific theory is.

quote:
Theory: A theory is what one or more hypotheses become once they have been verified and accepted to be true. A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon tested hypotheses and verified multiple times by detached groups of researchers...
In general, both a scientific theory and a scientific law are accepted to be true by the scientific community as a whole. Both are used to make predictions of events. Both are used to advance technology.
The biggest difference between a law and a theory is that a theory is much more complex and dynamic. A law describes a single action, whereas a theory explains an entire group of related phenomena. And, whereas a law is a foundation of the scientific method, a theory is the end result of that same process.
A simple analogy can be made using a slingshot and an automobile.
A scientific law is like a slingshot. A slingshot has but one moving part--the rubber band. If you put a rock in it and draw it back, the rock will fly out at a predictable speed, depending upon the distance the band is drawn back.
An automobile has many moving parts, all working in unison to perform the chore of transporting someone from one point to another point. An automobile is a complex piece of machinery. Sometimes, improvements are made to one or more component parts. A new set of spark plugs that are composed of a better alloy that can withstand heat better, for example, might replace the existing set. But the function of the automobile as a whole remains unchanged.
A theory is like the automobile. Components of it can be changed or improved upon, without changing the overall truth of the theory as a whole.
Some scientific theories include the continental drift theory, the theory of relativity, the atomic theory, and the quantum theory. All of these theories have been tested and verified and are generally accepted by scientists beyond reasonable doubt. Yet scientists continue to tinker with the component hypotheses of each theory in an attempt to make them more elegant and concise, or to make them more all-encompassing. Theories can be tweaked, but they are seldom, if ever, entirely replaced.
A theory is developed only through the scientific method, meaning it is the final result of a series of rigorous processes. Note that theories do not become laws. Scientific laws must exist prior to the start of using the scientific method because, as stated earlier, laws are the foundation for all science.

https://docs.google.com/...PxI0uOkXqAheJwHF7_ADOboNRXUI/edit#


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 566 of 1362 (851412)
04-24-2019 9:27 AM
Reply to: Message 556 by Dredge
04-24-2019 1:27 AM


More preaching no actual argument
The genealogies from the first humans are recorded in the Bible (an historical document) - from which it can be calculated that man was created less than 10,000 years ago.

This is a science forum. If you want to make a faith based argument you need to move this to a faith forum. We have plenty of those.

BTW- your bible is not a historical document. This is off topic. If you want to discuss, open a thread in the Faith forums.

Admin- Really? Is it not obvious that Dredge has no interest in any science based explanation. All he is going to do is hand wave it away with a reference to some book he believes has magical secrets. According to the rules of this site, this thread needs to be shut down.

Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 603 of 1362 (851593)
04-29-2019 9:36 AM
Reply to: Message 600 by dwise1
04-28-2019 8:55 PM


Re: Any practical use for Universal Common Ancestor?
So then creationists have no scruples against posing as something that they are not (yet another morality argument against them).

Liars for Jesus is my favorite term for them.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 626 of 1362 (851716)
05-01-2019 8:05 AM
Reply to: Message 619 by Dredge
05-01-2019 1:39 AM


Wrong about history as well as science
Please be advised that, by any standard, the Bible qualifies an authentic, historical document

Please be advised, just because you assert something does not make it true. By no standard is your bible an actual history. In order to be considered a document that recounts actual historical events it would need provenance and corroboration. That would just be the start to be considered a document reflecting actual history.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 695 of 1362 (851875)
05-03-2019 2:33 PM
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05-03-2019 2:09 PM


Re: Just to interject the YEC floodist view
Are you totally incapable of doing even basic research? That's right you will claim it is leftist plot if you cannot find any evidence to support you.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 720 of 1362 (851951)
05-05-2019 7:51 AM
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05-04-2019 10:39 PM


Re: Restating the question
Irrelevant does not mean things that do not fit into your religious views and things you disagree with.
Scientific evidence and facts are relevant.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 749 of 1362 (852027)
05-06-2019 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 747 by Faith
05-06-2019 10:18 AM


Re: Restating the question
I know you know that a chimp genome can't produce a human fingernail

No one has made such a claim. Do you have anything other than fallacious arguments?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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