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Author Topic:   Any practical use for Universal Common Ancestor?
Dogmafood
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Message 211 of 1385 (849804)
03-21-2019 9:02 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by Dredge
03-17-2019 2:07 AM


Re: Name one.
Dredge writes:

Please note that phenomena such as common descent, natural selection, sexual selection, mutations, genetic variations, inheritance of beneficial mutuations, gene flow, genetic drift, genetic recombinations, speciation, changes in gene frequenies within a populations are not "evolutionary theory" - they are observable facts and principles of biology.

There has to be enough acidic irony in that quote to start a food chain.

Tell me Dredge, is God anything like a theoretical UCA? I mean without any of the supporting evidence.


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Dogmafood
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Message 228 of 1385 (849844)
03-23-2019 6:32 AM
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03-23-2019 1:34 AM


Re: Name one.
Sorry, but my fragile, egg-shell mind has no idea what you're talking about.

quote:
Ghosts crowd the young child's fragile eggshell mind

Human beings have been making practical use of the "principles of evolution" in animal and plant breeding for thousands of years. They didn't need any "theory of evolution" to do so.

A bit of an odd semantic victory that you are claiming here. Consider what the differences are between the principles of a process and the theory of a process. Take flight for example. The principles have always been there and exist independently of any explanation of them. We can shoot an arrow or throw a rock without having the slightest notion about why they follow the trajectory that they do. However, with the development of a theory of flight that explains and defines the principles involved we are able to predict what might happen if you strap an engine to a pair of wings.

So using only the principles of biology we could continue probing around in the dark to see what works and what doesn't. Essentially just try everything until something works for you. Similar to the way that a child approaches the world. Now then if you accumulate the observations and filter them through a non eggshell like mind you have a chance of producing a theory that can bring some direction to your studies.

An even better analogy might be that principles are like the roads and a theory is like the map. Can you think of any practical use for a map?


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Dogmafood
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Message 260 of 1385 (849897)
03-24-2019 8:02 PM
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03-24-2019 3:54 AM


You may be the only person on this website who doesn't believe I should should be awarded three honorary doctorates in evolutionary biology

I can not fathom how you arrived at that conclusion but perhaps as one deserving of an honorary doctorate in biology you could indicate ANY theory that you have found useful. Game theory maybe or Information theory or Statistical mechanics and it's influence on probabalistic math?

Is there any such thing as a useful theory? How would you use one?


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Dogmafood
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Message 275 of 1385 (849928)
03-26-2019 7:52 AM
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03-26-2019 1:21 AM


Re: Name one.
I dare say no theory qualifies as knowledge.

That's your problem right there. If you have dismissed the value of any Theory then what are you hoping to gain with this discussion? How can your request possibly be satisfied?

As an atheist paraphrasing Ghandi, 'I like your Christ but some of your Christians are full of shit.'


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Dogmafood
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Message 297 of 1385 (849988)
03-28-2019 8:01 AM
Reply to: Message 296 by vimesey
03-28-2019 5:15 AM


Re: LUCA
blue leprechauns with pink spots

Come on man, everybody knows that leprechauns are green.


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Dogmafood
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Message 397 of 1385 (850247)
04-04-2019 8:48 PM
Reply to: Message 389 by Dredge
04-04-2019 3:36 AM


I will ask you again.

Do you know how to use a theory?

Can you provide an example of any theory having a practical use?

Can you provide an example of a theory that does not incorporate the principals that it attempts to explain?


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