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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
edge writes:
We know there is no known fossil evidence for evolution from E to C. Your evolution model relies on evidence that doesn't exist. The huge jump from E to C is what the scientific mind would expect if aliens performed feats of genetic engineering.
Or are you just assuming that the record is complete and we 'know' that there is nothing in between E and C Second, that's a great idea.
For once, you got something right. It's a great idea that sprung from the mind of a brilliant thinker and self-taught and self-declared scientist - namely, me.
Now, how have you tested it?
I haven't tested it - to test is to confirm - I can't test/confirm my most excellent theory.
Where is your evidence for the aliens?
The fossil record is my primary evidence for the aliens - the best scientific explanation for the history of life as revealed in the rocks is genetic engineering performed by aliens. Furthermore, science cannot rule out the existence of intelligent life from another planet. And let's not forget the secondary forms of evidence that supports the existence of aliens - crop circles, abductions, UFO sightings, etc.
Again, a great idea, but "voila" will not cut it as a mechanism.
Too easy - the mechanism is genetic engineering.
And the problem is?
The lack of evidence of evolutionary ancestors of animals.
But more specifically, when one predicts the location of a particular transitional fossil in a certain age of rocks and the they go out and actually confirm the prediction.
1. One lucky find is not statistically significant.2. That lucky find can also be explained by my "aliens did it" theory. I know, those big words are confusing...
Big words frighten me. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
RAZD writes:
The best scientific explanation for the appearance of a new genus is genetic engineering performed by aliens.
So the evidence of Pelycodus shows "a species from one genus evolved into a species of a new genus." The genus did not exist before this new nomenclature was applied. Except that the evidence shows an absence of outside tampering
On the contrary, the fossil record shows abundant evidence of "outside tampering".
while common ancestry in living species is observed and thus is a known process.
Certainly,, common ancestry is observed, but the evolution of a new genus has never been observed - even thousands of years of intensive artificial selection by humans - using every trick in the book - has failed to produce anything even close to a new genus. In other words, the evidence suggests the genus barrier cannot be crossed by natural means.
Positing an invisible undetectable process is not needed to explain the evidence that matches the observed common ancestry process that is nown to occur.
1. The fossil record cannot be explained by any observed process.2. The existence of aliens may be "invisible" but it is not "undetectable" - the fossil record is powerful scientific evidence of genetic engineering - and the only scientific explanation for that engineering is aliens. The Darwinian "explanation" is lame, outdated and little more than rehashed spontaneous generation - a nineteenth-century superstition.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined:
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RAZD writes:
I prefer my lamingtons plain Chocolate or cream filled or plain? Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
edge writes:
Null and void. A scientific theory doesn't need a practical application to be accepted as valid.
And then could you tell us how this theory is applicable in practical biology?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
edge writes:
What you have for the reptile jaw-mammalian inner-ear is a rehashed version of the nineteenth-century superstition of spontaneous generation - Darwinian evolution. The best scientific explanation for reptile-mammal "evolution" is genetic engineering performed by aliens. Wake up and grow up - modern science is calling you out of the darkness.
It is an explanation that fits the data, the timing and has a mechanism.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Faith writes:
Do I still think it's possible? No, not at all - not by an natural means , at least. The Darwinian explanation for the supposed reptile jaw-mammalian inner-ear "evolution" is as weak as water. The best SCIENTIFIC explanation for such an "evolution" - if that is indeed what happened - is genetic engineering performed by aliens. Not to mention that mutations, being random, aren't going to occur where you want them when you want them and it would take hundreds or thousands or millions of them before you'd get anything remotely close to the inner ear bones of the mammal, by which time you should have accumulated that many transitionals with so many bizarre looking bone things growing out of the reptile jaw all utterly useless to the animal, but still you think this is possible? Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
JonF writes:
The best scientific explanation for fossil record is genetic engineering performed by aliens - this amounts to powerful scientific evidence of the existence of advanced aliens.
We have no credible evidence of advanced aliens or interstellar travel.
Since we have scientific evidence for the existence of advanced aliens (ie, the fossil record), it can be assumed that interstellar travel has been achieved. How this was achieved is irrelevant to the validity of my "aliens did it" theory. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
edge writes:
Precisely when insects appeared in the fossil record is irrelevant - the point is there is no fossil evidence of any evolutionary ancestors of insects.
Dredge writes:
But you know that they appeared in the Cambrian Period, yes? According to Gunter Bechley, there is no evidence whatsoever of evolutionary ancestors of insects. Everyone has an opinion and he is entitled to his. The question is, what can you bring to the table here besides the opinion of others.
1. You criticise me for relying on "the opinions of others", then you supply an opinion from Wiki to back up your own argument! The blatant hypocrisy is hilarious!You could do a little research outside the confines of your little creationist box, however. Evolution of insects - Wikipedia 2. So the opinion of the nobodies at Wiki carries more weight than a world-renown palaeontologist with three insects named after him? More hilarity! Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
JonF writes:
Why are you conflating a "God" theory and an "aliens" theory? There is no comparison - the former is theology and and the latter is science. Gets harder and harder to cram God/aliens into those gaps, amirite? Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Tanypteryx writes: An ad hominem attack is not science.
Well, I already know that you believe a lot of bullshit and your beliefs have no impact on reality.
Neither does the belief that all life on earth shares a common ancestor.
I also note that Bechly never includes his ID beliefs in his scientific papers on dragonfly fossils.
And this is a criticism? So funny! Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
edge writes:
The Darwinian explanation is very poorly supported by the available fossil evidence, which features huge gaps - gaps that can be best explained by my "aliens did it" theory.
And the incompleteness of the fossil record makes that understandable.What is the problem? Unless, that is, you think that the fossil record is complete . Who said it was steady?
Even with band-aid theories like PE, the fossil record should reveal a relatively steady process of evolution - but it often doesn't.
Your mechanism is unknown and unsupported.
Wrong. The mechanism of genetic engineering is not only known and supported, it is observable, repeatable and understood - unlike the nineteenth-century superstition of Darwinian macroevolution, which has never even been observed.
That's because there's more to it than just the fossils.
Yeah, right . that's why evolutionary theorists like Gerd Muller think the modern synthesis is inadequate and cannot explain the fossil record. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Taq writes:
That's one possible explanation . but one that can't be tested and confirmed. All things considered the evidence can be That's absolutely false. The observation of lineage specific adaptations and a phylogenetic signal tells us that the mechanism is vertical inheritance and lineage specific mutations.best explained by genetic engineering performed by aliens. Aliens don't explain the phylogenetic signal.
Why not?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
JonF writes:
That would be a funny thing for an atheist to say - atheism means every living moment, every single thought, deed and emotion is pointless.
So this thread is pointless.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Mr. Occan is both right and wrong:
"right" because all explanations for the fossil record are "unnecessary". "wrong" because it is necessary to replace the childishly primitive Darwinian explanation with something more in tune with modernity - such as my "aliens did it" theory, the best scientific explanation for the fossil record. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
JonF writes:
Don't forget, Evolution of the gaps.
God of the gaps. Aliens of the gaps. As we learn more the gaps get smaller no matter what you're trying to stuff in them.
Where are the fossils that demonstrate the evolution of insects? Where are the transitionals between the Ediacaran fossils and animal fossils of the Cambrian. Or the links between sponges, worms, jelly-fish and fish? Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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