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Author Topic:   Any practical use for Universal Common Ancestor?
ringo
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Message 332 of 1385 (850108)
03-31-2019 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 315 by Dredge
03-31-2019 2:59 AM


Dredge writes:
Oh, in that case what you mean is, the common ancestor is a theory based on observations.
All theories are based on observations.

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ringo
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Message 333 of 1385 (850109)
03-31-2019 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 316 by Dredge
03-31-2019 6:06 AM


Dredge writes:
you made a claim and it's up to you to substantiate it with evidence.
You made the claim that there is no practical use for a UCA. You have been shown that scientists disagree with you. It is up to you to show that they are wrong.

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ringo
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Message 379 of 1385 (850211)
04-03-2019 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 335 by Dredge
04-02-2019 1:46 AM


Dredge writes:
I have no idea which practical uses you're referring to - I seem to have missed those posts!
Conveniently, yes.

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ringo
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Message 381 of 1385 (850216)
04-03-2019 6:15 PM
Reply to: Message 377 by Faith
04-03-2019 1:25 PM


Faith writes:
You have an obligation to present the findings in each of those articles if you expect me to take any of it seriously.
Nobody expects you to take reality seriously.

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ringo
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Message 393 of 1385 (850237)
04-04-2019 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 383 by Faith
04-03-2019 7:35 PM


Faith writes:
So are silly putdowns.
The "silly" putdowns just reflect the absurdity of your position.

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ringo
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Message 394 of 1385 (850238)
04-04-2019 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 385 by Dredge
04-04-2019 1:51 AM


Dredge writes:
Is it my imagination or am I noticing a pattern here?
If you noticed anything it would be a bloody miracle.
Dredge writes:
You sometimes make a claim....
I have asked you to back up your claim that there is no use for UCA. You have been shown that your claim is nonsense. If you're too dense to see what you've been shown, that may be a reflection on my/our ability to demonstrate but it is not a reflection on the reality of the UCA or its usefulness.

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ringo
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Message 443 of 1385 (850419)
04-07-2019 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 428 by Dredge
04-07-2019 2:13 AM


Dredge writes:
ringo writes:
I have asked you to back up your claim that there is no use for UCA.
Except that is not my claim. Read the OP.
That's exactly what the OP says. Here it is again to remind you:
quote:
I've been looking for a practical use in applied science for the information that all life on earth evolved from a microbe that existed billions of years ago, but can't find any. It seems to me that the whole Universal Common Ancestor thing is completely irrelevant and useless outside the realm of evolutionary theory.
When you said UCA was useless, what else did you mean other than it has no use?
Edited by ringo, : Fixed quote.
Edited by ringo, : Splling.

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ringo
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Message 477 of 1385 (850553)
04-10-2019 2:06 PM
Reply to: Message 449 by Dredge
04-09-2019 12:52 AM


Dredge writes:
Are you saying YEC scientists couldn't develop drugs and vaccines? If so, why not?
Why would they? Why not just pray to God for healing?

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ringo
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Message 485 of 1385 (850580)
04-10-2019 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 482 by Faith
04-10-2019 2:41 PM


Faith writes:
So that means it isn't necessary to the ToE?
It's kinda like how a cup-holder isn't necessary in a car, even if every car has one.

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Message 503 of 1385 (850803)
04-14-2019 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 494 by Dredge
04-14-2019 3:45 AM


Dredge writes:
The OP specifically asks for PRACTICAL uses for UCA. The concept of UCA is not "useless", because it's useful in evolutionary theory - however it is useless in any practical sense.
That's a distinction without a difference. You don't get to define "practical' any more than you get to define "useful". You can't just claim a use is not a practical use.

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ringo
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Message 509 of 1385 (850833)
04-15-2019 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 506 by Dredge
04-15-2019 1:47 AM


Re: Progressive Creation
Dredge writes:
PC predicts that there will be scientifically inexplicable gaps in the fossil record.
You can predict that something will be unexplainable just like you can predict that mankind will never fly - but then it happens; the prediction was wrong.
That isn't the same as ToE predicting that the gaps will be explained. When a gap is filled in - and it happens every day - you can't unfill it.

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ringo
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Message 532 of 1385 (851172)
04-20-2019 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 531 by Faith
04-20-2019 3:34 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Faith writes:
The Flood explains it all just fine....
But of course it doesn't. No creationist has ever been able to explain the "hydraulic sorting" or demonstrate how it could actually happen.

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ringo
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Message 534 of 1385 (851175)
04-20-2019 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 533 by Faith
04-20-2019 3:49 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Faith writes:
Nor can any evolutionist explain how to get from one species to another given the limitations of the genome of any given species that amounts to a program for that species and no other.
But that "limitation on the genome" doesn't exist - no creationist has ever been able to demonstrate that it does, or even explain how it could.

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ringo
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Message 550 of 1385 (851250)
04-21-2019 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 535 by Faith
04-20-2019 5:50 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Faith writes:
I've explained it many times.
You haven't answeted my question: How is it even possible for there to be a "barrier" in the genome when the DNA of every species is made from the same building blocks. What is it exactly that prevents exchanging one block for another? What prevents editing "cat" to "dog"?

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ringo
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Message 552 of 1385 (851257)
04-21-2019 2:03 PM
Reply to: Message 551 by Faith
04-21-2019 1:53 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Faith writes:
I've defined it functionally many times as exemplified by how breeds of, say, dogs, run out of variability the closer they get to being purebred.
That doesn't answer the question. What is the barrier?

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